SHOULD America be a Christian nation?

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EverlastingChange

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TheGrungeDiva said:
You think heaven is going to have only white, evangelical Christians in it? How sad.
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My problem with his comment was not that their will be different races of people etc, of course there most certainly will be :). But my issue was with the, that there will be a "variety of views" in heaven.
Please tell me what views will there be other than Jesus Christ is Lord? I believe we''ll be on our faces worshiping him for eternity unless he decides otherwise because he'll have revealed himself to us in such a way and we'll be filled with such an overwhelming divine joy unless we have a glorified body we would surely self explode.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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"For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known." 1 Cor 13:12. NAS 1995
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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AgeofKnowledge said:
Secular humanism, an atheistic morality built on statistical normality, etc... are all spiritually bankrupt {snip}
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Can you please list five specific "laws" that would be moral under secular humanism but not under Christianity?

Most people I talk to are confused about all of this. For example, some think secularism is state atheism or that our nation is (or should be) purely secular or force state atheism upon the populace as say Russia did last century, etc...
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If this is true, you're hanging out with some very stupid people. I have never met anyone who thinks that state atheism should be forced upon the populace. I know a few atheists who think the nation would be better off if everyone was an atheist, but NONE of them would want our nation to enforce that. And most atheists I know (and I know a lot of them, being a border-line commie myself) think the religious pluralism in our nation is what makes it great.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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EverlastingChange said:
Please tell me what views will there be other than Jesus Christ is Lord?
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Well, there can be lots of views about lots of other things besides the Lordship of Jesus. For example, styles of music used in worship, meaning(s) of communion, etc. I also suspect people who currently fight until they're blue in the face about pre-trib vs. post-trib will both be in heaven, and they'll both say, "Ooops, I guess I was wrong. Oh well."

Like the joke, "shh, they think they're the only ones here...." (could be applied to a lot of different denominations)
 
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TheGrungeDiva said:
Well, there can be lots of views about lots of other things besides the Lordship of Jesus. For example, styles of music used in worship, meaning(s) of communion, etc. I also suspect people who currently fight until they're blue in the face about pre-trib vs. post-trib will both be in heaven, and they'll both say, "Ooops, I guess I was wrong. Oh well."

Like the joke, "shh, they think they're the only ones here...." (could be applied to a lot of different denominations)
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Hahaha I love that joke.
and for people that don't get it, i'll help.

A man dies, goes to Heaven and meets Jesus. Jesus hugs him and begins to give him a tour of Heaven. The man sees beautiful golden palaces, streets paved with clouds and everyone he's ever loved that has died. Jesus points to different palaces and says, "This is where the Catholics live, this is where the Baptists are, this is where the Methodists are." They walk by a giant golden wall and the man tugs at Jesus's robe and asks, "Jesus, what is behind this wall?" Jesus puts his mouth to the man's ear and whispers, "That's where we keep the evangelicals... They think they are the only ones here." XD
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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HEY! I resemble that remark! ;) j/k.

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Hahaha I love that joke.
and for people that don't get it, i'll help.

A man dies, goes to Heaven and meets Jesus. Jesus hugs him and begins to give him a tour of Heaven. The man sees beautiful golden palaces, streets paved with clouds and everyone he's ever loved that has died. Jesus points to different palaces and says, "This is where the Catholics live, this is where the Baptists are, this is where the Methodists are." They walk by a giant golden wall and the man tugs at Jesus's robe and asks, "Jesus, what is behind this wall?" Jesus puts his mouth to the man's ear and whispers, "That's where we keep the evangelicals... They think they are the only ones here." XD
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rainacorn

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TheGrungeDiva said:
Well, there can be lots of views about lots of other things besides the Lordship of Jesus. For example, styles of music used in worship, meaning(s) of communion, etc. I also suspect people who currently fight until they're blue in the face about pre-trib vs. post-trib will both be in heaven, and they'll both say, "Ooops, I guess I was wrong. Oh well."

Like the joke, "shh, they think they're the only ones here...." (could be applied to a lot of different denominations)
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Do you honestly think any of that will matter at all once we're in Heaven? Like will it even be discussed?? Will anybody care at all about pointing fingers and cracking wise about the silly thoughts we had while we were on Earth?

The Bible says we all sing together and worship together in massed choirs. I don't know how relevant your human taste (based on human experience) really is once you get there. Perhaps you know something I don't.

I hope the Bible is correct and Heaven really is greater than anything we can imagine because it seems the extent of our imaginations is a super cool club or something where everyone still is exactly who they are here, only shinier. We have a difficult time imagining truly not giving a crap about all of the silliness we obsess over on this forum.
 
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EverlastingChange

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rainacorn said:
Do you honestly think any of that will matter at all once we're in Heaven? Like will it even be discussed?? Will anybody care at all about pointing fingers and cracking wise about the silly thoughts we had while we were on Earth?

The Bible says we all sing together and worship together in massed choirs. I don't know how relevant your human taste (based on human experience) really is once you get there. Perhaps you know something I don't.

I hope the Bible is correct and Heaven really is greater than anything we can imagine because it seems the extent of our imaginations is a super cool club or something where everyone still is exactly who they are here, only shinier. We have a difficult time imagining truly not giving a crap about all of the silliness we obsess over on this forum.
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Lol, I agree. Thank you, you saved me writing a response :)
 
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Tobby17

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Shouldn't all countries be christian countries?. Isn't that what God wanted from the beginning, that we all serve him?.. Just saying :)
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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rainacorn said:
Do you honestly think any of that will matter at all once we're in Heaven?
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Any of "what"?

I believe that what makes us unique humans, above the animals, is our ability to think and reason.

I believe this is a significant element of ourselves, and a part that will be resurrected in the afterlife.

I believe that because of that, there will still be differences of opinions / tastes in heaven. Sure, I get it that some of the things that separate us today -- doctrinal differences, specifically -- will not be a problem, because then we will all know what is True. There won't be "trinitarians" or "non-trinitarians" because either God is Trinity, and we'll all know that, or He isn't, and we'll all know that, too.

But there will still be differences in particulars. There will still be chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry.

Like Megatron said, if all we have in the afterlife is that we all become automatons, without any variation or uniqueness, I want my money back!

The God I worship likes variety, and so do I.
 
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EverlastingChange

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TheGrungeDiva said:
Any of "what"?

I believe that what makes us unique humans, above the animals, is our ability to think and reason.

I believe this is a significant element of ourselves, and a part that will be resurrected in the afterlife.

I believe that because of that, there will still be differences of opinions / tastes in heaven. Sure, I get it that some of the things that separate us today -- doctrinal differences, specifically -- will not be a problem, because then we will all know what is True. There won't be "trinitarians" or "non-trinitarians" because either God is Trinity, and we'll all know that, or He isn't, and we'll all know that, too.

But there will still be differences in particulars. There will still be chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry.

Like Megatron said, if all we have in the afterlife is that we all become automatons, without any variation or uniqueness, I want my money back!

The God I worship likes variety, and so do I.
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This is the kind of thing that could go on forever and possibly end up bitter, so I'm going to tie up my side and leave it there :p.

1 Corinthians 13v12 "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known." (ESV). If the bride of Christ on that day is revealed all the knowledge there is of God to know and we all have complete understanding of the absolute, pure truth. Will there really be anything to differ on?

Yes we may look different and whatever, but different "views" (the word that caused the whole problem for me) in heaven I don't believe so. I personally believe God's aim with everyone knowing and sharing the truth is complete unity with himself and his people, which I think will contribute partly to the great peace in heaven other than being with our first love for an eternity.
 
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rainacorn said:
Do you honestly think any of that will matter at all once we're in Heaven? Like will it even be discussed?? Will anybody care at all about pointing fingers and cracking wise about the silly thoughts we had while we were on Earth?

The Bible says we all sing together and worship together in massed choirs. I don't know how relevant your human taste (based on human experience) really is once you get there. Perhaps you know something I don't.

I hope the Bible is correct and Heaven really is greater than anything we can imagine because it seems the extent of our imaginations is a super cool club or something where everyone still is exactly who they are here, only shinier. We have a difficult time imagining truly not giving a crap about all of the silliness we obsess over on this forum.
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You and Everlasting can just NOT take a joke, can you?
 
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EverlastingChange

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FSUBoy966 said:
You and Everlasting can just NOT take a joke, can you?
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What?? lol.

I was replying to her last comment...

TheGrungeDiva said:
Any of "what"?

I believe that what makes us unique humans, above the animals, is our ability to think and reason.

I believe this is a significant element of ourselves, and a part that will be resurrected in the afterlife.

I believe that because of that, there will still be differences of opinions / tastes in heaven. Sure, I get it that some of the things that separate us today -- doctrinal differences, specifically -- will not be a problem, because then we will all know what is True. There won't be "trinitarians" or "non-trinitarians" because either God is Trinity, and we'll all know that, or He isn't, and we'll all know that, too.

But there will still be differences in particulars. There will still be chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry.

Like Megatron said, if all we have in the afterlife is that we all become automatons, without any variation or uniqueness, I want my money back!

The God I worship likes variety, and so do I.
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Not the joke mentioned...
 
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rainacorn

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FSUBoy966 said:
You and Everlasting can just NOT take a joke, can you?
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She made a reference to a joke in order to make a point.

She didn't tell a joke.

Reading isn't that hard, man. Get into it.
 
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I say no. America still should allow religious freedoms. God allowed people the freedom to decide what they wanted to be, he never forced anyone to be Christian, America should be the same way.
 
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There many countires aroud the world that don't have the freedoms we have in the USA. That is being able to woriship God without being persecuted for it. We are a Blessed Nation.
 
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babarainbowsheep

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I am not for "dictatorship" or forcing others to be like oneself or have same religion, beleif etc.
I am for multiculturalism and freedom of choice but also for peace and standard law and behaviours with this.

heard comments today that muslims should perhaps all be killed and do like they did with the jews to the muslims and this is people that call themselves christian?
Muslims are not as people make assumtions they are.
Theres christians who have tortured and call them selves christians.....thats how they interpreted God and Jesus and they did bad in Jesus name.
Jesus is a holy profet to the muslims that they hold very high.
Even if they dont see him as Gods son they love him.
Better focus on the mutual love than "whos right and wrong" or making someone be your religion....

Theres good christians and theres bad dictator christians that actually do bad things and hate more than they love.
Just as theres good and bad atheists.

Would be nice if we could have good multicultural respectful, peaceful communications.
There are some laws that apply worldwide.(several which have been broken UN )
 
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babarainbowsheep

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Also if one were to 4bid abortion (example) then society would have to take on more care, support, responisbility, socialnetwork , "safetynet" etc for those in need.
Example if one with family, friends,licence, home, work (everything) and a secure, happy upbringing were to fall pregnant she would have support if not from parents at first from her friends (even if she were young).
If a young woman who did not speak language fluently, moved a lot, been raped, tortured and has no friends noone to trust or turn to help ,excluded from society and doesnt trust anyone as how she been treated and threates etc upon her.
Which of those is likely have abortion........
Maybe there were threates upon torturing her unborn child if she birth it, maybe she had no support and was raped...(many scenarios)

If we are to 4bid abortion then we cant just do so without giving a huuuuuuuuuuge network for those in need.Support, care, understanding (non judgement and downing them but encouraging instead)

I am against christians hating on gays because they love.
i find it better love than hate.

and Im against forcing everyone to be like you are.
A rainbow is but a rainbow with all its colours and variations and .......
Im against the basics of abuse, torture etc....
 
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rainacorn

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That was barely English, but I think you were just rattling off your personal opinions on a few political and social issues, yeah?

Do you think if America acted in a 'more Christian' way, then it would mean dictatorship and oppression?

Also, Islam is a false religion. Not saying you should hate all Muslims, but don't be deceived. Thinking Jesus is cool is not the same thing as believing He is GOD. They are not equal beliefs.
 
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