The Gospels and the Mystery
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even though Jesus told them plainly about it constantly, they didn't understand.
this is what hidden means in this context - with our eyes opened by the Spirit we can see the gospel all over the OT and all over the record of Christ's ministry, but to those it was preached to, there was a veil - even while they searched for it.
however not to everyone. Abraham saw and was glad. Adam heard and believed. and this is the fulfilling of what He said long ago also, the hearing ear and the eye that sees, the LORD made them both.
even though Jesus told them plainly about it constantly, they didn't understand.
this is what hidden means in this context - with our eyes opened by the Spirit we can see the gospel all over the OT and all over the record of Christ's ministry, but to those it was preached to, there was a veil - even while they searched for it.
however not to everyone. Abraham saw and was glad. Adam heard and believed. and this is the fulfilling of what He said long ago also, the hearing ear and the eye that sees, the LORD made them both.
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Paul's Gospel of Grace is the one that is TO us for today. We don't have to discard all the other writings in scripture. It is ALL for our study and understanding, for in it all we see the story the Lord has spelled out for us all to learn. It testifies to His greatness and Glory. Dividing between what is TO us and what it not, that is how we understand and live by what is TO us for today. We do not follow the Mosaic Law because it was not written TO us. The same goes for the Kingdom Gospel.
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It all centers around Christ as the One who fulfilled all that was written concerning Himself. The mystery operates ONLY because of what Christ accomplished on the cross for all mankind. What He has done, however, is mitigated the reality of Israel having been cut off for a time. He had to, because under the Kingdom Gospel, Gentiles were saved only by becoming Jews, but because they were cut off due to their unbelief that continues to this very day, there had to be some other means through which believing Jews and believing Gentiles could be saved, and that is by Grace through faith.
Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
Why was it hidden?
1 Corinthians 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
It served the Lord's purposes to have in His plan the mitigation for what He knew was going to happen.
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Esther 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
Why was it hidden?
1 Corinthians 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
It served the Lord's purposes to have in His plan the mitigation for what He knew was going to happen.
Amen
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I don’t think you got this right. In your case, “From Adam to the last person alive who is in Christ we ALL shall live.” You have well-refuted or at least disagreed with your hyper or ultra-interpretation of God’s word:
- By saying so, everyone was saved through the grace of God through faith in every period. Well, Hebrews 13 shows O.T. saints were men and women of faith.
- If they were in Christ, then in reality they know about Christ. Well, that is possible for Moses, Shadrach, Meshach Abednego, and others, to know the ROCK was Christ and the fourth amid the burning fire is the Son of God.
- However, you seem to have wrongly divided the word. You said “FROM” but the word of God is “IN”. Btw, your “FROM” is out of context. Paul simply illustrates or contrasts our spiritual standing, i.e. “In Adam” we all sinned and die “Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned…” (Rom. 5:12. “In Christ” we are made alive. Again Adrunicus and Julia who were among the apostles were IN CHRIST before Paul
Acts 15:7-11 same grace, same gospel for both the Jew and the Gentile.
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
My intent was to convey from this verse that all who were men and women of faith in God were/are IN Christ, just as this verse says to us. So, I don't see that it's a symantical error to continue Paul's thought here, using the rendition of the direction and content of his meaning, to say that even Abraham was in Christ as a man of faith, for Christ died for the sins of all who have faith in God through the ages.
Some might say that what I stated from the scripture is on the level of emotional jargon, but be that as it may be, those who are of faith, and therefore will be made alive, will receive such because of their being made alive IN Christ. They didn't have to know all the specifics about Him, His work for us, for that too was a mystery in all its specifics as to how He would accomplish their redemption, only that something wondrous was coming to fulfill the blood covering of animals.
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My intent was to convey from this verse that all who were men and women of faith in God were/are IN Christ, just as this verse says to us. So, I don't see that it's a symantical error to continue Paul's thought here, using the rendition of the direction and content of his meaning, to say that even Abraham was in Christ as a man of faith, for Christ died for the sins of all who have faith in God through the ages.
Some might say that what I stated from the scripture is on the level of emotional jargon, but be that as it may be, those who are of faith, and therefore will be made alive, will receive such because of their being made alive IN Christ. They didn't have to know all the specifics about Him, His work for us, for that too was a mystery in all its specifics as to how He would accomplish their redemption, only that something wondrous was coming to fulfill the blood covering of animals.
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Claims in and of themselves prove nothing. I showed from scripture the differences in content within each Gospel, where you showed nothing. As an antagonist, your words don't carry any weight without evidence. What you quoted is only partial, and proves nothing for your case. Abraham did not know Christ Jesus, but his salvation was sealed because of his faith in YHWH that placed him IN Christ for salvation. So, yes, Christ is indeed the common foundation for salvation across all Gospels, but your lack of understanding about Israel and the fact that Gentiles had to become Jews to be saved, and how that relates to the differences between the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace, they speak for themselves by way of content differences.
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Technically, the phrase IN CHRIST is used in th NT only, to those who received the gospel of Christ, Paul's my gospel which is " our gospel", the same gospel Peter received and saved which he attested this in Acts 15:8 ",,,,even as he did unto us". The word 'even' speaks of equality that they were saved by the same grace, the same gospel.
To see "I" you and all others are no longer under Law, have now the Law of liberty, freedom to do at will whatever we want to do. amazing grace that is for sure. Which can be taken for granted and used for self gain, even if harm others in it's usage,
That is exactly why Paul wrote to the Corinthians, who misused the truth gf being forgiven, 100% by God through Son for them.
As today I see that happens, and had happened in me too, could again, if I do not continue to pay attention, Having the want to be at ease too, here on earth before dying too. How far will one, anyone go. will I, you, others, steal, kill and destroy others to get what we want? I hope not! I remember, being stripped of everything here on earth and becoming homeless and in the hospital dying 12 years ago this Nov. I remember the Wheelchair, the cane, walker and the need beyond measure.
Yet, me, I stood in trust to God, between God and I I stood willingly to die, and to this day am as if already dead (Gal. 2:20) Remenering this daily, deeper and deeper daily.
God just loves us all, y'all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, Son never needed to sacrifice anything for himself did he?
Therefore he did not have to go there did he, or put up with the torture either. yet he did that willingly,
thanking Father for this now, painfully, it had to be as Jesus once risen and said this to the disciples in Acts, it had to be done first, before any new life could ever get given to anyone
that is the story, His-story and I see to stick to it, thank you
That is exactly why Paul wrote to the Corinthians, who misused the truth gf being forgiven, 100% by God through Son for them.
As today I see that happens, and had happened in me too, could again, if I do not continue to pay attention, Having the want to be at ease too, here on earth before dying too. How far will one, anyone go. will I, you, others, steal, kill and destroy others to get what we want? I hope not! I remember, being stripped of everything here on earth and becoming homeless and in the hospital dying 12 years ago this Nov. I remember the Wheelchair, the cane, walker and the need beyond measure.
Yet, me, I stood in trust to God, between God and I I stood willingly to die, and to this day am as if already dead (Gal. 2:20) Remenering this daily, deeper and deeper daily.
God just loves us all, y'all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened, Son never needed to sacrifice anything for himself did he?
Therefore he did not have to go there did he, or put up with the torture either. yet he did that willingly,
thanking Father for this now, painfully, it had to be as Jesus once risen and said this to the disciples in Acts, it had to be done first, before any new life could ever get given to anyone
that is the story, His-story and I see to stick to it, thank you