Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Genez]

Do you believe that all four of man's faculties (intellect, affections, conscience and volition) reside in man's heart?

The heart is the center of the soul's personality.
Intellect is limited to the genetics of the brain in our body that our soul resides in.
The heart is like the master computer of a car. It can be programmed to some extent by our volition.

The body provides a format for our soul to operate within.
If granted a very strong body?
The soul will be free to express itself a certain way.
In ways that a weak body would not allow for.

Volition stems from the reasoning capacity of the soul living within a normal body.
When in a defective body (for example, an idiot) the volition will be hampered.
That is because the soul of an idiot has been cut off from perceptory options to work with found with a normal brain.


Just touching upon it.... .

 

[PaulThomson]

Right. You say He died for all sins. Unbelief is a sin. So, according to you, it is paid for.
Since we know God accepted Jesus sacrifice as a propitiation for sin, that would mean there are people in hell whose sins have been paid for, and God, after accepting the payment, still requires payment for some?

Where does scripture list unbelief as a sin?

 

[PaulThomson]

So...in your world God is just in punishing sins twice over: Once upon the Last Adam and once upon all those who never made it out of the First Adam? Even the ungodly world knows that double jeopardy is unjust. But you...not so much, heh?

Even the ungodly world thinks like you. Food for thought and cause for pause.

 

[Cameron143]

Where does scripture list unbelief as a sin?

1 John 3:23 says we are commanded to be believe.

 

[homwardbound]

The heart is more than just the mind, and vice versa. While intricately related, they are separate entities. I just showed you God making a distinction between them. Here's another:
Romans 6:17...obeyed...the will, from the heart...the heart, that form of doctrine...the mind...

Repentance is an act of the will, based on information...the mind, and the prevailing condition of the heart...the heart.

Ezekiel 36:26

Living Bible

And I will give you a new heart—I will give you new and right desires—and put a new spirit within you. I will take out your stony hearts of sin and give you new hearts of love.[a]

Ask God, believe God and see new from God through us in beleif to Son is risen for us to love all, which is not always easy is it?
Seeing wisely as a serpent, thanking God for it, learning how to remain harmless in awareness, thanks

 

[homwardbound]

1 John 3:23 says we are commanded to be believe.

I see it as it is best to believe God simply loves us all, otherwise Son would have not gone to that cross willingly, that be what I see now, not always saw that before growing up and not that I have grown up, I need God to lead period, thanks

 

[Genez]

1 John 3:23 says we are commanded to be believe.

Other than labelling it as sin?

What is unbelief?

 

[Rufus]

There is an infinite number of options if one runs with it. These seem to me the clearest two. It ain't complicated, we just tend to make it so.

Actually, there aren't that many options. Either Christ atoned for all universally and, therefore, all are saved; or he atoned for the sins of many and they are saved. The third option is the most absurd of all: He universally atoned for all but none of them are actually saved until they choose to be, which means the vast majority of people in the world for "whom Christ died" will wind up paying for their own sins, even though Christ supposedly paid the price already!

The only option that is thoroughly biblical is Door #2.

 

[Sipsey]

1 John 3:23 says we are commanded to be believe.

I always viewed 1 Jn 3:23 in the context of a command to believers, not unbelievers.

 

[Sipsey]

Actually, there aren't that many options. Either Christ atoned for all universally and, therefore, all are saved; or he atoned for the sins of many and they are saved. The third option is the most absurd of all: He universally atoned for all but none of them are actually saved until they choose to be, which means the vast majority of people in the world for "whom Christ died" will wind up paying for their own sins, even though Christ supposedly paid the price already!

The only option that is thoroughly biblical is Door #2.

You are certainly entitled to believe any view you wish.

 

[Rufus]

The heart is the center of the soul's personality.
Intellect is limited to the genetics of the brain in our body that our soul resides in.
The heart is like the master computer of a car. It can be programmed to some extent by our volition.

The body provides a format for our soul to operate within.
If granted a very strong body?
The soul will be free to express itself a certain way.
In ways that a weak body would not allow for.

Volition stems from the reasoning capacity of the soul living within a normal body.
When in a defective body (for example, an idiot) the volition will be hampered.
That is because the soul of an idiot has been cut off from perceptory options to work with found with a normal brain.


Just touching upon it.... .

Thanks for you non-answer. So, I'll give you the thoroughly biblical answer: All four of man's faculties are seated in man's heart. Therefore, since the heart of man is thoroughly corrupt, vile, deceitful, evil and sinful -- then it logically follows that all the faculties therein are also affected. There's nothing spiritually sound in man...including his "free" will! Just as we mere mortals can be helpless physically, mentally or emotionally, so, too, we're all helpless spiritually.

 

[Rufus]

You are certainly entitled to believe any view you wish.

Why thank you. That's very magnanimous of you.

 

[Rufus]

I always viewed 1 Jn 3:23 in the context of a command to believers, not unbelievers.

So...any unbeliever reading that passage would do well to ignore it because it doesn't apply to him?

 

[Cameron143]

Other than labelling it as sin?

What is unbelief?

For the point I was making, establishing unbelief as sin is sufficient.

 

[Cameron143]

I always viewed 1 Jn 3:23 in the context of a command to believers, not unbelievers.

Is the command not to steal only for believers?

 

[Sipsey]

So...any unbeliever reading that passage would do well to ignore it because it doesn't apply to him?

Reading any verse of Scripture without context is what leads to heresy. If it was as simple as a command, the Law would have been sufficient.

 

[Genez]

Either Christ atoned for all universally and, therefore, all are saved; or he atoned for the sins of many and they are saved..

Atonement for all sins does not save. It opened the door to become saved.

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

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Jesus was bearing everyone's sins when He cried out.

What would happen to us if Jesus did not pay for all mankind's sin?

What would have happened to mankind if He never bore our sins?

It's time we found this out...

 

[Genez]

For the point I was making, establishing unbelief as sin is sufficient.

Thanks, Kamala....

I asked a question that would answer a question if you could only answer.

 

[Cameron143]

Thanks, Kamala....

I asked a question that would answer a question if you could only answer.

You want to answer a question that isn't relevant to my point while never addressing the point I made. The very thing you accuse me of is the very thing you are guilty of. Who's Kamala?

 

[Sipsey]

Is the command not to steal only for believers?

Who was the Law written to?