What Does "Born of Water" Mean?
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You would be correct if one of the following would be true:
1. There were no other verses in the Bible on the subject of salvation.
2. There was a definitive in your verse such as only, just, alone, etc.
Since there are many other verses on the subject of salvation, this verse cannot be used to negate the others.
Since this verse has no definitive, it is a true but rather general axiom by nature. In other words, this scripture is not meant as a all- encompassing statement.
Keep in mind if we were allowed to simply take any verse and label it as all-encompassing then nothing in the Bible would be safe.
Would you label James 1:27 as all-encompassing?
1. There were no other verses in the Bible on the subject of salvation.
2. There was a definitive in your verse such as only, just, alone, etc.
Since there are many other verses on the subject of salvation, this verse cannot be used to negate the others.
Since this verse has no definitive, it is a true but rather general axiom by nature. In other words, this scripture is not meant as a all- encompassing statement.
Keep in mind if we were allowed to simply take any verse and label it as all-encompassing then nothing in the Bible would be safe.
Would you label James 1:27 as all-encompassing?
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Interesting read from got questions on this
What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)?
https://www.gotquestions.org/born-of-water.html
In John 3, Jesus uses the phrase “born of water” in answer to Nicodemus’s question about how to enter the kingdom of heaven. He told Nicodemus that he “must be born again” (John 3:3). Nicodemus questioned how such a thing could happen when he was a grown man. Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5).
Being “born of the Spirit” is easily interpreted—salvation involves a new life that only the Holy Spirit can produce (cf. 2 Corinthians 3:6). But there are a couple different schools of thought on what Jesus meant when He said, “born of water.” One perspective is that “born of water” refers to physical birth.
Unborn babies float in fluid in the amniotic sac for nine months. When the time for birth arrives, the amniotic sac bursts, and the baby is born in a rush of “water,” entering the world as a new creature. This birth parallels being “born of the Spirit,” as a similar new birth occurs within our hearts (2 Corinthians 5:17). A person once-born has physical life; a person twice-born has eternal life (John 3:15–18, 36; 17:3; 1 Peter 1:23). Just as a baby contributes no effort to the birth process—the work is done by the mother—so it is with spiritual birth. We are merely the recipients of God’s grace as He gives us new birth through His Spirit (Ephesians 2:8–9). According to this view, Jesus was using a teaching technique He often employed by comparing a spiritual truth with a physical reality. Nicodemus did not understand spiritual birth, but he could understand physical birth so that was where Jesus took him.
The other perspective is that “born of water” refers to spiritual cleansing and that Nicodemus would have naturally understood it that way.
According to this view, “born of water” and “born of the Spirit” are different ways of saying the same thing, once metaphorically and once literally. Jesus’ words “born of water and the Spirit” describe different aspects of the same spiritual birth, or of what it means to be “born again.” So, when Jesus told Nicodemus that he must “be born of water,” He was referring to his need for spiritual cleansing.
Throughout the Old Testament, water is used figuratively of spiritual cleansing. For example, Ezekiel 36:25 says, “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities” (see also Numbers 19:17–19; and Psalm 51:2, 7). Nicodemus, a teacher of the law, would surely have been familiar with the concept of physical water representing spiritual purification.
The New Testament, too, uses water as a figure of the new birth. Regeneration is called a “washing” brought about by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation (Titus 3:5; cf. Ephesians 5:26; John 13:10). Christians are “washed . . . sanctified . . . justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). The “washing” Paul speaks of here is a spiritual one.
Whichever perspective is correct, one thing is certain: Jesus was not teaching that one must be baptized in water in order to be saved. Baptism is nowhere mentioned in the context, nor did Jesus ever imply that we must do anything to inherit eternal life but trust in Him in faith (John 3:16). The emphasis of Jesus' words is on repentance and spiritual renewal—we need the “living water” Jesus later promised the woman at the well (John 4:10). Water baptism is an outward sign that we have given our lives to Jesus, but not a requirement for salvation (Luke 23:40–43)
What does it mean to be born of water (John 3:5)?
https://www.gotquestions.org/born-of-water.html
In John 3, Jesus uses the phrase “born of water” in answer to Nicodemus’s question about how to enter the kingdom of heaven. He told Nicodemus that he “must be born again” (John 3:3). Nicodemus questioned how such a thing could happen when he was a grown man. Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:5).
Being “born of the Spirit” is easily interpreted—salvation involves a new life that only the Holy Spirit can produce (cf. 2 Corinthians 3:6). But there are a couple different schools of thought on what Jesus meant when He said, “born of water.” One perspective is that “born of water” refers to physical birth.
Unborn babies float in fluid in the amniotic sac for nine months. When the time for birth arrives, the amniotic sac bursts, and the baby is born in a rush of “water,” entering the world as a new creature. This birth parallels being “born of the Spirit,” as a similar new birth occurs within our hearts (2 Corinthians 5:17). A person once-born has physical life; a person twice-born has eternal life (John 3:15–18, 36; 17:3; 1 Peter 1:23). Just as a baby contributes no effort to the birth process—the work is done by the mother—so it is with spiritual birth. We are merely the recipients of God’s grace as He gives us new birth through His Spirit (Ephesians 2:8–9). According to this view, Jesus was using a teaching technique He often employed by comparing a spiritual truth with a physical reality. Nicodemus did not understand spiritual birth, but he could understand physical birth so that was where Jesus took him.
The other perspective is that “born of water” refers to spiritual cleansing and that Nicodemus would have naturally understood it that way.
According to this view, “born of water” and “born of the Spirit” are different ways of saying the same thing, once metaphorically and once literally. Jesus’ words “born of water and the Spirit” describe different aspects of the same spiritual birth, or of what it means to be “born again.” So, when Jesus told Nicodemus that he must “be born of water,” He was referring to his need for spiritual cleansing.
Throughout the Old Testament, water is used figuratively of spiritual cleansing. For example, Ezekiel 36:25 says, “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities” (see also Numbers 19:17–19; and Psalm 51:2, 7). Nicodemus, a teacher of the law, would surely have been familiar with the concept of physical water representing spiritual purification.
The New Testament, too, uses water as a figure of the new birth. Regeneration is called a “washing” brought about by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation (Titus 3:5; cf. Ephesians 5:26; John 13:10). Christians are “washed . . . sanctified . . . justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). The “washing” Paul speaks of here is a spiritual one.
Whichever perspective is correct, one thing is certain: Jesus was not teaching that one must be baptized in water in order to be saved. Baptism is nowhere mentioned in the context, nor did Jesus ever imply that we must do anything to inherit eternal life but trust in Him in faith (John 3:16). The emphasis of Jesus' words is on repentance and spiritual renewal—we need the “living water” Jesus later promised the woman at the well (John 4:10). Water baptism is an outward sign that we have given our lives to Jesus, but not a requirement for salvation (Luke 23:40–43)
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The word reveals that everyone is to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Those, no matter what nationality, who believe and act in obedience to the entire gospel message "take hold" of what Jesus died to provide. (Acts 2-4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
The Apostle Paul addressed the importance of baptism:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:3-6
The Apostle Paul addressed the importance of baptism:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:3-6
The OT was still in effect when the thief died. Water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin is part of the NT rebirth and is available for all those living after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Jesus prophesied about this in Luke 24:46-47;
"...Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Just as Jesus prophesied this was part of the gospel message first presented to people in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin..." Acts 2:38
"...Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Just as Jesus prophesied this was part of the gospel message first presented to people in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost, "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin..." Acts 2:38
The word indicates everyone living after Jesus' sacrifice must repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of their sin and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2-4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
Notice what Ananias told the Apostle Paul: "...arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
Ananias was speaking of water baptism.
Note all detailed accounts in the NT reveal water baptism was administered in the name of the Jesus. (the Lord) See the list above.
Notice what Ananias told the Apostle Paul: "...arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
Ananias was speaking of water baptism.
Note all detailed accounts in the NT reveal water baptism was administered in the name of the Jesus. (the Lord) See the list above.
Believing in Jesus involves much more than a mental acknowledgement:
"And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9
"As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:30-32
"And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16
Hearing, believing and submitting to water baptism in the name of Jesus in accordance with the gospel message literally opens eyes to the truth...
"And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb 5:9
"As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:30-32
"And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16
Hearing, believing and submitting to water baptism in the name of Jesus in accordance with the gospel message literally opens eyes to the truth...
Jesus said that all will be judged by the word. (John 12:48-49) So, regardless of what man's tradition teaches, the bible clearly states everyone is to repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin (water) and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2-4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
Scripture warning:
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col. 2:8)
Scripture warning:
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Col. 2:8)
Jesus said: "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:48-49
"And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; " Heb 5:9
"As he (Jesus) spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:30-32
"And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; " Heb 5:9
"As he (Jesus) spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:30-32
You want me to "supply a verse that contradicts" 1st John 5:1???
Why would you want such a thing?
We as Christians are not to negate one scripture with another.
It is JBTN who is attempting to use 1st John 5:1 as a all-encompassing verse that would make Acts 2:38 and others null and void.
There is no need to contradict 1st John 5:1, the verse stands true unless you add a grammatical definitive to change its scope.
Why would you want such a thing?
We as Christians are not to negate one scripture with another.
It is JBTN who is attempting to use 1st John 5:1 as a all-encompassing verse that would make Acts 2:38 and others null and void.
There is no need to contradict 1st John 5:1, the verse stands true unless you add a grammatical definitive to change its scope.
