Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ZNP

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Here’s the trend for the past 11 days:

The most recent end-of-day electoral vote forecast (270 needed to win):

  • Rebublican: Trump/Vance (304)
  • Democratic: Harris/Walz (234)
The vice presidential debate had an influence on forecasted electoral votes, with Vance showing a slight advantage over Walz. Most movement in October has been in the direction of the Republican ticket:

  • September 30: Harris/Walz (308), Trump/Vance (230)
  • October 1: Harris/Walz (302), Trump/Vance (236) VP Debate
  • October 2: Harris/Walz (292), Trump/Vance (246)
  • October 3: Harris/Walz (298), Trump/Vance (240)
  • October 4: Harris/Walz (288), Trump/Vance (250)
  • October 5: Harris/Walz (283), Trump/Vance (255)
  • October 6: Harris/Walz (283), Trump/Vance (255)
  • October 7: Harris/Walz (268), Trump/Vance (270)
  • October 8: Harris/Walz (268), Trump/Vance (270)
  • October 9: Harris/Walz (263), Trump/Vance (275)
  • October 10: Harris/Walz (234), Trump/Vance (304)

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Those polls are flawed, they don't take into account dead people nor do they properly weight the votes the same way the Dominion machines do with their algorithms. The best fraud department in the history of US presidential elections, properly motivated with the threat of being sent to the gallows for treason can do remarkable, terrible and criminal things, but remarkable nonetheless.
 
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Donald Trump cheated on his wife.Shouldn’t you at least say that he’s a bad choice too?
Kamala is a predatory fornicator? That's hilarious. But of course very false.
Since Trump gave alimony to his first two wives, and the women he cheated with were childless, that makes his infidelity less sinful that Kamala's alleged sexual exploits? And that makes makes him a credible vanguard of
evangelicals and conservatives values? Hahaha. The right has obviously adopted quite the sliding-scale of moral values to justify their support of Donald Trump.
What do you think I am giving him a compliment when I say he is an adulterous gump? Yea Trump's adultery is evil, but not as evil as Kamala's in that Trump's saving grace is keeping the family somewhat intact. Trump also paid the curse and was held accountable for his high sin, and justified is the steep price he paid as well. Kamala passess the buck in such a way that is actually quite spiritually interesting, she does it in such a way as to get herself corruptly foreward at the expense of others. She even makes the whole nation guilty along with her and have to testify to their own hypocrisy by their assent with her and empower the committing of the sexual sins in these infamous and shameful generations. Insofar as Trump has paid the curse will he be given mercy and make the best of a damned situation for his kids.

Kamala is just as much a whore according to the Bible and worthy of death in the same, and worse she has no kids, she commits adultery with married men, supplants their real mother, and gaslights them and the whole nation into accepting this or dismissing it, furthering their collective guilt as many of them commit the same sins as she and Trump. No surprise is it that she and her evil followers even promote the public to be even worse and commit all the most abominable sins in the pathway of fornications from abortion to homosexuality. Insofar as they try to support, deny, and defend Kamala and her whoredoms and play into her wicked game with her we will retain their sins then unto them and hold them guilty as hypocrites and enemies of both man and God., and they really ought to fear God more than the men they have wronged.

So the election is a greater reflection of the cursed generations of America that became world famous for all their whoredoms. What sort of whores are they then that limp between pleading for mercy and also demanding acceptance and aggrandizement for their abominations? They can't have it both ways nor can they evade out of it for the damage is already done, so they must make a choice. We will see to either their repenting and blessings from God with Trump or a continuation and escalation in the curses from God as they prove that's what they deserve with Kamala. For certain America will make a testimony before God which one represents them best and what they deserve and they will have no excuses not to praise Jesus and fear him when they see the blessings or the curses.


You can have this:

Or that:
 
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I was going to vote early this year until I went to Andrew Wommack's website to watch his latest series called America's Hope for the Future.
It featured David and Tim Barton from Wallbuilders and they discussed the reasons that even conservative Republicans refuse to vote for Trump because he doesn't match up to every expectation they have. There are Christians who won't vote for him, saying, "Trump's not Godly."

The Bartons then mention Hebrews 11, basically a checklist of people who God called for His work, even for all their sins.

- In Genesis 9:20-23, after leaving the ark, Noah became a farmer and planted a vineyard. Noah got drunk and naked in his tent and passed out from drinking his wine. His sons found him in his tent and covered him up with a garment.
So Noah was a drunkard yet he did what God told him to do.

- In Genesis 12:10-16, Abraham and his wife Sarai left Canaan because of a great famine in the land and they went to Egypt.
Before entering Egypt, Abraham told Sarai that because Sarai was beautiful, The Egyptians will kill Abraham to take his wife but they would keep her alive. He tells her to tell the Egyptians that she is his sister so that they will keep them both alive.
Sure enough, the Egyptians took Abraham and Sarai to the Pharoah, where she was taken into Pharoah's house and Pharoah gave Abraham servants and both livestock animals and work animals to compensate him.
God sent plagues into Pharoah's house because of Abraham's deception.
So Abraham was a lying coward whose priority was to love and protect his wife instead of worrying about his own life at her expense.
Yet God still blessed Abraham with a covenant for all his future generations of children

- In Exodus 2:11,12, Moses saw an Egyptian beating one of his fellow Hebrews, he looked around to see if anyone was watching and killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
So Moses was a murderer and yet God still used him to lead the Hebrews into the promised land of Israel.

- In Joshua 2, Joshua sent 2 men as spies to Jericho and they stayed at Rahab's home. She was a prostitute and she hid the 2 men in her house.
She was called to answer about the men by the king of Jericho and she told him that they already left the city and to pursue after them.
She then hid the men on top of her roof and hid them with flax.
She told them that she knew God has given Jericho to the Hebrews and that she had heard about the miracles done to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt. She asks and makes them promise that when the Hebrews come to take the city that they spare her family's lives. She then helped them escape Jericho.

- In 2 Samuel 11, David saw Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite, from his rooftop as she washed herself. He sent messengers to bring Bathsheba to him, where he got her pregnant.
David then called for her husband Uriah to return home from the wars against Ammon and Rabbah. David expected Uriah to spend the night with Bathsheba so that it would look as though he was the father of Bathsheba's child.
When Uriah stayed in Jerusalem, he slept at the door of David's house. When David asked him why he didn't go to his own home, he said while his fellow soldiers are sleeping in the open fields, he refused the comforts of his home.
David then sent a message to Uriah's commander Joab to send Uriah into the frontlines of the hardest battle to let him die.
So David was a murdering adulterer and yet God used him to enlarge the land of Israel.

All of them far from perfect and Tim Barton said that the reason they're considered biblical heroes is that they're not defined by their sinful moments but by how God used them and did amazing things through them.
Would anyone today vote for those biblical heroes for office today?

Romans 3:10,11 "There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

Tim Barton followed up by saying the following:
Sin doesn't disqualify you from being used by God.

So we have 2 imperfect candidates and that is our starting point.
Righteousness in a nation can be determined by the nation's policies rather than by the candidate's personality.

May God help us as we mark up those ballots.
 
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I was going to vote early this year until I went to Andrew Wommack's website to watch his latest series called America's Hope for the Future.
It featured David and Tim Barton from Wallbuilders and they discussed the reasons that even conservative Republicans refuse to vote for Trump because he doesn't match up to every expectation they have. There are Christians who won't vote for him, saying, "Trump's not Godly."

The Bartons then mention Hebrews 11, basically a checklist of people who God called for His work, even for all their sins.

- In Genesis 9:20-23, after leaving the ark, Noah became a farmer and planted a vineyard. Noah got drunk and naked in his tent and passed out from drinking his wine. His sons found him in his tent and covered him up with a garment.
So Noah was a drunkard yet he did what God told him to do.

- In Genesis 12:10-16, Abraham and his wife Sarai left Canaan because of a great famine in the land and they went to Egypt.
Before entering Egypt, Abraham told Sarai that because Sarai was beautiful, The Egyptians will kill Abraham to take his wife but they would keep her alive. He tells her to tell the Egyptians that she is his sister so that they will keep them both alive.
Sure enough, the Egyptians took Abraham and Sarai to the Pharoah, where she was taken into Pharoah's house and Pharoah gave Abraham servants and both livestock animals and work animals to compensate him.
God sent plagues into Pharoah's house because of Abraham's deception.
So Abraham was a lying coward whose priority was to love and protect his wife instead of worrying about his own life at her expense.
Yet God still blessed Abraham with a covenant for all his future generations of children

- In Exodus 2:11,12, Moses saw an Egyptian beating one of his fellow Hebrews, he looked around to see if anyone was watching and killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
So Moses was a murderer and yet God still used him to lead the Hebrews into the promised land of Israel.

- In Joshua 2, Joshua sent 2 men as spies to Jericho and they stayed at Rahab's home. She was a prostitute and she hid the 2 men in her house.
She was called to answer about the men by the king of Jericho and she told him that they already left the city and to pursue after them.
She then hid the men on top of her roof and hid them with flax.
She told them that she knew God has given Jericho to the Hebrews and that she had heard about the miracles done to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt. She asks and makes them promise that when the Hebrews come to take the city that they spare her family's lives. She then helped them escape Jericho.

- In 2 Samuel 11, David saw Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite, from his rooftop as she washed herself. He sent messengers to bring Bathsheba to him, where he got her pregnant.
David then called for her husband Uriah to return home from the wars against Ammon and Rabbah. David expected Uriah to spend the night with Bathsheba so that it would look as though he was the father of Bathsheba's child.
When Uriah stayed in Jerusalem, he slept at the door of David's house. When David asked him why he didn't go to his own home, he said while his fellow soldiers are sleeping in the open fields, he refused the comforts of his home.
David then sent a message to Uriah's commander Joab to send Uriah into the frontlines of the hardest battle to let him die.
So David was a murdering adulterer and yet God used him to enlarge the land of Israel.

All of them far from perfect and Tim Barton said that the reason they're considered biblical heroes is that they're not defined by their sinful moments but by how God used them and did amazing things through them.
Would anyone today vote for those biblical heroes for office today?

Romans 3:10,11 "There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

Tim Barton followed up by saying the following:
Sin doesn't disqualify you from being used by God.

So we have 2 imperfect candidates and that is our starting point.
Righteousness in a nation can be determined by the nation's policies rather than by the candidate's personality.

May God help us as we mark up those ballots.
I believe God is ready to judge this nation and who ever wins will be a part of that judgment.
Those who believe Trump or Harris is the savior of this nation are in for a shock.
Everyone had best get right with God before the election.
 

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I believe God is ready to judge this nation and who ever wins will be a part of that judgment.
Those who believe Trump or Harris is the savior of this nation are in for a shock.
Everyone had best get right with God before the election.
There is no covenant by which God is dealing with nations.
 

Cameron143

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The covenant with Noah is the covenant that God made with the nations.
The covenant of Noah is part of the covenant of grace. While it may be applied to individuals, it was not made to any nation in particular, nor does it apply to nations as a whole. Grace always comes to individuals in its application.
 

ZNP

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The covenant of Noah is part of the covenant of grace. While it may be applied to individuals, it was not made to any nation in particular, nor does it apply to nations as a whole. Grace always comes to individuals in its application.
Of course it applies to all nations. The Noah covenant requires that the government deal faithfully and honestly about solving crime, especially murder.
 

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Of course it applies to all nations. The Noah covenant requires that the government deal faithfully and honestly about solving crime, especially murder.
Biblical Covenants have to be entered into by both parties..

think Sinai...
 

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covenants have to be entered into by both parties.
Wasn't God's promises to Noah done unilaterally? Abraham? Did God require anything of Abraham in making him the Father of a great multitude? Did God require anything of mankind when He promised never to again destroy the earth with water?
 

ZNP

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Based on what? What provision of the Noatic covenant deals with a nation?
The Covenant was made between God and all life that is on the Earth.

9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.
6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”
8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”
17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”
 
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I can imagine liberals flipping their lids over this since they seem to have more compassion for ILLEGAL immigrants than they do for American citizens and law enforcement officers.
 
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Of course it applies to all nations. The Noah covenant requires that the government deal faithfully and honestly about solving crime, especially murder.
Do they do that? I doubt many would say they do. Most of what you hear around here is how corrupt governments are. Despite governments failing to keep their end of the covenant (according to what you say), God will keep His promise to mankind and all life.