Gods will vs mans free will

[Magenta]

1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

 

[cv5]

Yes God obligated himself In covenant with man.

But he was never obligated to make covenant in the first place.

He freely chose to do so before mam was created.

I agree. Finally.

 

[cv5]

Yep, but unfortunatley for your argument paul does not say
You are destined (destination). He says you are predestined. You forgot the 'pre' part.

I clearly included this "pre" many times. Probably every time.

You just don't get it. A lot of people don't get it. So don't feel bad.

 

[cv5]

Your almost there..

Yes God freely chose to go into covenant with those whom he freely chose to do so.

Nevertheless, God was not, nor ever obligated to show grace to anyone.

If God was obligated to give saving grace to people then it is wages - merited..

Buddy.....I have been right all along. Without fail. On every point.

Why? Because I get it.

 

[phil36]

I agree. Finally.

Do you?

Buddy.....I have been right all along. Without fail. On every point.

Why? Because I get it.

But do you?

You said this:-

"It means a FUTURE DESTINATION. And has nothing whatsoever to do with the past.
Yet the hopelessly gaslighted (and none too bright) Calvinists think that: foreordained = predestined.


Future destination .. From what vantage point in time?

It was from before time itself. You disagree with this!

Paul using the past tense states:

"Having predestined us... according to God's will (Eph 1:5)".

Those he foreknew he aslo predestined. He foreknew you, and he predestined you to be his.

Your correct that destiny or a destination is a point in time toward which we are moving. "When we book airline tickets we [prebook], we do not book them to nowhere. We have a destination in mind, a place we are trying to reach (Sproul, what is reformed theology. pg164 [emphasis my own])".

Like prebooking tickets we foreknow what our plans are, and the final destination. God foreknew you/us personally and predestined us to in his family, we have the down payment niw and be in glory in Christ at the end of the age:

"...sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory (Eph 1:14)."

"The agent of predestination is God. In his sovereignty he predestinates. Human beings are the object of his predestination. In short, predestination refers to God's sovereign plan for human beings, decreed by him in eternity (Sproul, what is reformed theolgy. pg 165)."

Just be clear when we refer to predestination in regards to salvation, scripture means electing predestination... As predestination also includes "whatever comes to pass things that. (ibid)."

I am not of the opinion that you do agree contary to your statement. You deny that predestination was in eternity past, yet fail to give biblical data of when the 'pre' was. If you agree as scripture clealry states then all well and good. If you don't then when in space and time did God predestine. When in creation, did God predestine?