The hatred of Jews

[Cameron143]

Just to reestablish our current point of contention, I said that the goal is for The Father to physically dwell with His creation again as He did in the garden.

I don't particularly believe that we need to define what the bride is to conclude whether or not that will happen, because whether one believes the church and Israel are different or the same, the matter is concluded with His people physically seeing Him face-to-face. So, I guess we can start at Revelation 21:1.

Question 1: is Revelation 21:1 already fulfilled in your view?
Question 2: if yes, what do you make of the seas?

One point before moving forward. I do believe we will dwell eternally on a redeemed earth with Christ. God is spirit. I believe Christ was in the garden with Adam.
To your questions, yes. I believe the land was a picture of Israel and the sea a picture of the Gentiles. Hence, no more sea means there is no longer any difference between Greek or Jew covenantally, only the new creation in Christ.

 

[Yahshua]

One point before moving forward. I do believe we will dwell eternally on a redeemed earth with Christ. God is spirit. I believe Christ was in the garden with Adam.

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Well, why'd you disagree!? Whether one wants to say Adam saw the glory of the Father (i.e., the pre-incarnate Messiah) or the Father Himself in the garden (I have no issue with either), it sounds like you do believe that we will behold God with our own eyes again like Adam did, right?

To your questions, yes. I believe the land was a picture of Israel and the sea a picture of the Gentiles. Hence, no more sea means there is no longer any difference between Greek or Jew covenantally, only the new creation in Christ.

Ok. To save us some time, do you believe Revelation is all fulfilled?

 

[Cameron143]

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Well, why'd you disagree!? Whether one wants to say Adam saw the glory of the Father (i.e., the pre-incarnate Messiah) or the Father Himself in the garden (I have no issue with either), it sounds like you do believe that we will behold God with our own eyes again like Adam did, right?



Ok. To save us some time, do you believe Revelation is all fulfilled?

What I disagreed with is God's goal. God's ultimate goal is always His glory. Everything else is subservient to this goal. And I do believe most of Revelation has come to pass, but not necessarily in full. Everything has been accomplished to bring it to pass. It hasn't been fully implemented. When all things are placed under Christ, all will be consummated. In other words, Christ accomplished all that is necessary. That's why He sat down on the throne. And what was accomplished is being implemented gradually. Eventually it will be consummated and there will be judgment and the eternal estate.

 

[ZNP]

Okay, but if God is still in covenant relationship with Israel, where does He meet with them and make His presence known?

The Jews will be turned back to the Lord Jesus over the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year period known as the 70th week which I feel began on Oct 2, 2024. When the two witnesses are killed and then raised before all that is when the Jews will say "blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord" and when they will look on Him whom they pierced.

 

[Cameron143]

The Jews will be turned back to the Lord Jesus over the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year period known as the 70th week which I feel began on Oct 2, 2024. When the two witnesses are killed and then raised before all that is when the Jews will say "blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord" and when they will look on Him whom they pierced.

Again okay, but if God is in covenant relationship with the nation Israel, where does He meet with them and make His presence known?

 

[ZNP]

Again okay, but if God is in covenant relationship with the nation Israel, where does He meet with them and make His presence known?

The covenant relationship includes them being scattered when they rejected Him, His faithfulness includes Him gathering them back to the land even when they are still secular, and they will realize shortly that He is faithful, He is protecting them, and He is the Messiah. At that point they will be fully restored to fellowship.

 

[Cameron143]

The covenant relationship includes them being scattered when they rejected Him, His faithfulness includes Him gathering them back to the land even when they are still secular, and they will realize shortly that He is faithful, He is protecting them, and He is the Messiah. At that point they will be fully restored to fellowship.

Okay. Even if all you have said is true, the old covenant has God meeting the Israelites in the temple. That is the covenantal place for His presence. So how does He meet with His people?

 

[GaryA]

Hi Mo, please explain 'the Rothschild-created state of Israel'. Not familiar with this phrase.

I am more than happy to let @Moses_Young give you a more full explanation - but, the short version goes like this:

For the purpose of advancing their agenda, the illuminati created the modern state of Israel by "coopting" prophecy of scripture concerning Israel becoming a nation - declaring upon that prophecy that Israel should be a nation once again - without regard to the actual circumstances and detail of scripture that exists in the real fulfillment of the prophecy.

In other words, they "created" a false non-biblical nation of Israel by [essentially] declaring that they had the right to "claim" the promise of scripture "at will" in 1948 - thereby, orchestrating a false fulfillment of scripture as though it were actually a real fulfillment of scripture.

They basically said:

"Look! See here! Dry Bones Prophecy! The Bible says that Israel will be a nation again! So, they deserve to be a nation again! Right now!"

However, the actual prophecy does not concur with they way this was brought about. Therefore, the modern state of Israel is not "true Israel" in terms of biblical prophecy - which does say that Israel will be a nation again - only, not under the terms that the modern state of Israel was brought about.

The modern state of Israel becoming a nation in one day was not actual fulfillment of scripture; rather, it was a "forged" (counterfeit) "fulfillment" - put forth as being prophetic/real so that people would accept it on "biblical authority" that it was prophetic/real.

 

[GaryA]

In reality, it was orchestrated so that it could be used as a "stepping stone" to bring about the goal of their agenda - the New World Order.

 

[TabinRivCA]

In reality, it was orchestrated so that it could be used as a "stepping stone" to bring about the goal of their agenda - the New World Order.

Wow, I am familiar with the teachings of many current preachers such as Pastor Greg Laurie and the entire Trinity Broadcasting Network, and they are all for Israel's defense in protecting her right as declared in 1948. A quote 'The formation of Israel was primarily driven by the Zionist movement, international diplomacy, and geopolitical circumstances of the time' and another 'Declaration of Independence: On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel, leading to the first Arab-Israeli war as neighboring countries opposed the creation of Israel'. Do you mean Mr Ben-Gurion was an Illuminati or the UN?
According to your explanation, is God then for present day Israel or against? Also, do people who believe your account side with Israel's enemies? Honestly, I've never heard of this and can't find any source that does. Can you provide some, ty.

 

[GaryA]

The modern state of Israel becoming a nation in one day was not actual fulfillment of scripture; rather, it was a "forged" (counterfeit) "fulfillment" - put forth as being prophetic/real so that people would accept it on "biblical authority" that it was prophetic/real.

I suppose that it would have been more correct for me to say that the modern state of Israel becoming a nation in one day was not a fulfillment of the Dry Bones prophecy - which I was specifically thinking about and referring to in my earlier post; however, it could be said that it was part of - or related to - the fulfillment of some scripture that I believe @Yahshua has posted with regard to those who say they are Jews but are not...

 

[GaryA]

Wow, I am familiar with the teachings of many current preachers such as Pastor Greg Laurie and the entire Trinity Broadcasting Network, and they are all for Israel's defense in protecting her right as declared in 1948. A quote 'The formation of Israel was primarily driven by the Zionist movement, international diplomacy, and geopolitical circumstances of the time' and another 'Declaration of Independence: On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel, leading to the first Arab-Israeli war as neighboring countries opposed the creation of Israel'. Do you mean Mr Ben-Gurion was an Illuminati or the UN?
According to your explanation, is God then for present day Israel or against? Also, do people who believe your account side with Israel's enemies? Honestly, I've never heard of this and can't find any source that does. Can you provide some, ty.

It will be several hours before I can get back to this. In the meanwhile - @Moses_Young - if you would like to give her your take on this - "please do" - don't wait for me...

The only thing I have time to say at the moment is that a lot of things in this world are not what they seem to be - a lot of the [true] 'reality' of things are hidden behind a [false] 'appearance' of other things.

 

[CarriePie]

In my viewpoint, TBN is corrupt and not people of God. I agree with what the site called thepathoftruth says about them: The Blasphemy Network. I'd never suggest TBN as a reliable source...they are the opposite of that.

 

[TabinRivCA]

In my viewpoint, TBN is corrupt and not people of God. I agree with what the site called thepathoftruth says about them: The Blasphemy Network. I'd never suggest TBN as a reliable source...they are the opposite of that.

How are they blasphemous and who don't you like on TBN? BTW they started here in SoCal with a last minute, literally, donation of $35,000, the exact amt needed by Paul Crouch to get the first network. Through God's support and millions all over the world, they are in almost every country, sharing the Gospel. You say 'false', again, how so?

 

[TabinRivCA]

How are they blasphemous and who don't you like on TBN? BTW they started here in SoCal with a last minute, literally, donation of $35,000, the exact amt needed by Paul Crouch to get the first network. Through God's support and millions all over the world, they are in almost every country, sharing the Gospel. You say 'false', again, how so?

Correction 'they are in every nation around the world'.

 

[CarriePie]

I don't like the entire network. You don't have to look far to find a scandal about them including accounts from former people who have worked for them. They are about money and worldliness.
"They are salesmen, exhibitionists, charlatans, and false teachers." Unfortunately, people buy that stuff up.

 

[TabinRivCA]

I don't like the entire network. You don't have to look far to find a scandal about them including accounts from former people who have worked for them. They are about money and worldliness.
"They are salesmen, exhibitionists, charlatans, and false teachers." Unfortunately, people buy that stuff up.

You mean like the billions who watch and support them? Paul and Jan Crouch were TV pioneers and I've been watching TBN almost since it began. It's definitely a God thing to me, but I see not to all. God gave us free wills👍

 

[CarriePie]

You mean like the billions who watch and support them?

Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

"Spiritual gullibility is widespread throughout our culture." ~ Robert Bowman

 

[TabinRivCA]

Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

"Spiritual gullibility is widespread throughout our culture." ~ Robert Bowman

If you're saying myself, the billions of viewers, Paul and Jan Crouch, Arthur Blessitt, Billy Graham et al are deceived, that's quite a lot of condemnation going on. I'll end with this, nothing on earth is perfect and concerning TBN, they are getting souls saved no matter what 'evil' some claim is going on. Gn, nice talk!

 

[TabinRivCA]

It will be several hours before I can get back to this. In the meanwhile - @Moses_Young - if you would like to give her your take on this - "please do" - don't wait for me...

The only thing I have time to say at the moment is that a lot of things in this world are not what they seem to be - a lot of the [true] 'reality' of things are hidden behind a [false] 'appearance' of other things.

I understand what your saying and I get why you think this. I wouldn't condemn all Israel for it, it's going on all over, The majority of Jews are either secular, Orthodox or Messianic and are merely trying to survive. I don't need any further info on this from Mo, and thanks for the explanation, I get it✝🔯