The rapture? The comimg of Christ.

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Randy4u2c

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A large number of Christians have been exposed to this "dispensationalist" or "futurist" interpretation of prophecy called the secret rapture, and have been hopelessly confused.

According to this view, the coming of Jesus will be in two separate events. First, He will come secretly to take the church to heaven, and then, seven years later, He will come in an open demonstration of power and glory. In between those two events, the Antichrist is supposed to come into power and the great tribulation period takes place.

But the truth is that the Bible nowhere speaks of these two separate comings of Jesus. There is no second stage of His second coming that occurs seven years after the socalled "rapture." By the way, that word "rapture" is also an invention of theologians. It can't be found in the Bible in even a single instance. It is a word coined for the second advent of Jesus.

Now here is what we find in the Scriptures: Christ's coming, the resurrection, and catching up of the saints to meet Jesus in the air, all take place at the same time, at the end of the world. This is why Jesus said, "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20). Now why would Jesus promise to be with the church until the end of the world if He intended to come seven years before the end to take them out of the world? The promise would have no meaning.
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What is the secret rapture? It is when Satan comes to earth claiming to be God and performing great signs and wonders and deceives the people into worshipping him as God. He will tell them that he has come to fly them away to heaven which is a doctrine they have already been taught to believe. II Thes 2:3-4, Rev 12:7-9, Rev 13:11-14. The real Christ doesn't return until AFTER the tribulation of Antichrist, Satan pretending to be God.
 
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TheDivineWatermark

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^ 2Th2:1-2 tells us:

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by [G5228 - huper / hyper] the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled/alarmed, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that/purpoting that the day of the Lord IS PRESENT [perfect indicative].



This passage ^ (verses 1 and 2) is evidence that what Post #122 (just above this post) is not biblically accurate.





["the day of the Lord" commences at the ARRIVAL-point-in-time of the "7-yr period" leading UP TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth. It doesn't start at the point of His Return / 2nd Coming to the earth! The "false claim" of verse two is "purporting that" the TRIB has already started and was unfolding upon the earth; Paul is BRINGING verse 1's info TO BEAR UPON such a "false claim"]
 
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Randy4u2c said:
What is the secret rapture? It is when Satan comes to earth claiming to be God and performing great signs and wonders and deceives the people into worshipping him as God. He will tell them that he has come to fly them away to heaven which is a doctrine they have already been taught to believe. II Thes 2:3-4, Rev 12:7-9, Rev 13:11-14. The real Christ doesn't return until AFTER the tribulation of Antichrist, Satan pretending to be God.
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I've heard this one. The problem here is its not written. If we think about this.. it wouldn't be the pre-trib doctrine because once the AntiChrist shows up.. pre-Trib had already happened and those still there were left behind. We can't forget the beast during that time demands the world to worship him and take his mark or die. Yeah I don't see the Antichrist telling anyone hes there to take them away. No.. hes there because as he will tell them.. he is god. Which Israel and Muslims are waiting for. Then during all this we have Gods wrath that is on the world and all in it. Then we read how many die? How much is on fire how about the seas? There never has been a time like that on earth nor ever will be again. And some believe they will be here during all that.

Fact.. today? Right now if your thinking your going to be here.. today is like heaven. It will not get better then this. So I don't know some think they will be protected that is not written what is "It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. " Yeah he will have "authority" from God over every tribe, tongue and nation.

It does make one wonder.. what happen greater is He that is in me then he thats in the world.. Christ saying I give you all power all authority over the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you. If you are still here.. don't you have the king of kings in you? He will over come the saints.. and no where does it say He protected them the Church. Church is not written during this time. Now 144K they are protected and you and I are not one of them.. hmm its almost as if just before the antichrist comes and He is taking out of the way.. its as if things have changed. What was .. will be again. What do I know.. I am ready NOW
 
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