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The Mark of the Beast
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yes, then killed then risen too, for all to see to be dead to first born self being in the way of new life offered us the people God simply loves us all, yet there is troubles to go through first is there not? The fight is between Flesh and the Spirit of God, still to this day after there resurrected Son for us allot to beleive or not believe, somsimple it is not simple
I said this part, of your response, not the other part for clarification in your responding post
The work is done by Son for us all to hear from within us, each person knows the truth within themselves and then choose to believe God or not in Son as risen for them too or not
In the day that is coming one day, no one, not one will be with any valid excuse, no not one
Thank you God fro be righteous all the way through it all. Love and mercy is to all to either beleive this or not! Thank you
Either one anyone believes God or not and then the end day Will come. God sent Son to reconcile us all to himself through Son for us to be given new life to abide in by love and mercy too us all, thank you
I said this part, of your response, not the other part for clarification in your responding post
The work is done by Son for us all to hear from within us, each person knows the truth within themselves and then choose to believe God or not in Son as risen for them too or not
In the day that is coming one day, no one, not one will be with any valid excuse, no not one
Thank you God fro be righteous all the way through it all. Love and mercy is to all to either beleive this or not! Thank you
Either one anyone believes God or not and then the end day Will come. God sent Son to reconcile us all to himself through Son for us to be given new life to abide in by love and mercy too us all, thank you
The mark of the beast will also be physical, not just spiritual. The false prophet will have it enforced so that no one can buy or sell without it. And if it is refused, that person will be killed.
Which is just as well. There will be severe food shortages and all kinds of natural and man-made disasters so that living through the great tribulation would not be worth being alive anyway. And on top of that, the ones who receive the mark will also develop painful sores so bad that they wished they were dead. So dying because you refuse the mark is actually the best decision.
And since taking the mark is such a blatant statement of trusting satan instead of God, they're locked out of salvation too.
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You are correct, in that the number of the Beast (666), is not a physical brand or stamp upon the skin. Numbers are very important in God's Word... I will get to that in a moment.
First though - Satan is not the Anti-Christ. Satan or the Devil is the Anti-Christ's Father - if you will.
Secondly - No true believer will follow the Anti-Christ (Beast), this is the promise of Scripture.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.
Now to the numbers - The following are very important: (1) One God, (3) Three Persons of the Godhead, (6) The number of man, (7) God's number of completion, (8) God's number of Perfection, (12) The number of administration. There are of course other numbers.
666 - Is the number of man repeated three times. It represents an unholy trinity. The Devil (Dragon), the Anti-Christ (Beast) and the False Prophet. For those that are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13; 4:30), they will be just fine. For all the rest - "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder - when they behold the Beast..."
First though - Satan is not the Anti-Christ. Satan or the Devil is the Anti-Christ's Father - if you will.
Secondly - No true believer will follow the Anti-Christ (Beast), this is the promise of Scripture.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come.
Now to the numbers - The following are very important: (1) One God, (3) Three Persons of the Godhead, (6) The number of man, (7) God's number of completion, (8) God's number of Perfection, (12) The number of administration. There are of course other numbers.
666 - Is the number of man repeated three times. It represents an unholy trinity. The Devil (Dragon), the Anti-Christ (Beast) and the False Prophet. For those that are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13; 4:30), they will be just fine. For all the rest - "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder - when they behold the Beast..."
The idea of a physical mark.. a chip implanted beneath the skin.. or some other methodology.. came out of a more modern view caused by recent books written by various men and not truly from Scripture. The idea of a Biblical "mark", is a symbolic metaphor which carries the meaning of one who is under authority of another or it can mean to take note of, such as in these verses:
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them.
Php_3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them that so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.
Obviously, this does not mean a physical mark but a mental notation by the viewer.
In the book of Revelation, the "mark" of the Beast is unlikely to be physical because it would be impossible to implement such a physical alteration to all that will worship the Beast in such a short span of time. Rather, this should be understood as individuals who have been given authority by the Beast because they have professed allegiance to him. The idea of the "mark" of the Beast should be understood as in opposition to those who have been "sealed" by God.
Rev_7:3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.
Notice here, the location of the "seal" is said to be in the same location as the "mark", which is upon their forehead.
Now we know, as believers, that we too are "sealed" and we know that we carry no physical mark of this "seal".
2Ti_2:19 Howbeit the firm foundation of God is standing, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his: and, Let every one that names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.
This is the perfect example verse for our discussion. Note that it says, the Lord knows them that are His. The Beast shall know those that are his. The Lord knows those that are not His. The Beast knows those that are the Lord's. No physical mark needed.
Also, remember these verses, which demonstrate a non-physical sealing of God's own.
2Co_1:22 who also sealed us, and gave us the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph_1:13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,--in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.
Hope this will be of help. God bless.
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them.
Php_3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them that so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.
Obviously, this does not mean a physical mark but a mental notation by the viewer.
In the book of Revelation, the "mark" of the Beast is unlikely to be physical because it would be impossible to implement such a physical alteration to all that will worship the Beast in such a short span of time. Rather, this should be understood as individuals who have been given authority by the Beast because they have professed allegiance to him. The idea of the "mark" of the Beast should be understood as in opposition to those who have been "sealed" by God.
Rev_7:3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.
Notice here, the location of the "seal" is said to be in the same location as the "mark", which is upon their forehead.
Now we know, as believers, that we too are "sealed" and we know that we carry no physical mark of this "seal".
2Ti_2:19 Howbeit the firm foundation of God is standing, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his: and, Let every one that names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.
This is the perfect example verse for our discussion. Note that it says, the Lord knows them that are His. The Beast shall know those that are his. The Lord knows those that are not His. The Beast knows those that are the Lord's. No physical mark needed.
Also, remember these verses, which demonstrate a non-physical sealing of God's own.
2Co_1:22 who also sealed us, and gave us the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Eph_1:13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,--in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, in whom ye were sealed unto the day of redemption.
Hope this will be of help. God bless.
Bear in mind that these are two completely distinct Greek words (translated 'mark' in English):
Rev13:16 has the word "G5480 - charagma " - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/13/16/t_concif_1180016
( G5480 - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5480/kjv/tr/0-1/ );
... whereas Rom16:17 (and Phil3:17) has the word "G4648 - skopein " - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/16/17/ss1/t_concif_1062017
( G4648 - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g4648/kjv/tr/0-1/ )
... and yes, the latter of these two (I've listed here) does carry the meaning that you spoke of, there.
Check out how the other word is used though (from the second link, at top):
"[G5480] χάραγμα cháragma, khar'-ag-mah; from the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue):—graven, mark."
Rev13:16 has the word "G5480 - charagma " - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rev/13/16/t_concif_1180016
( G5480 - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5480/kjv/tr/0-1/ );
... whereas Rom16:17 (and Phil3:17) has the word "G4648 - skopein " - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/16/17/ss1/t_concif_1062017
( G4648 - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g4648/kjv/tr/0-1/ )
... and yes, the latter of these two (I've listed here) does carry the meaning that you spoke of, there.
Check out how the other word is used though (from the second link, at top):
"[G5480] χάραγμα cháragma, khar'-ag-mah; from the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue):—graven, mark."
I've asked other people who don't believe as you do about a physical mark of the beast not existing, but what if there will be? Would you take it not thinking it can cause severe eternal consequences?
I'm just asking you to be on your guard and not take it right away if something like that pops up. Those things should be investigated first.
And there will be situations that precede it like the revealing of the antichrist and his abolishing the Jewish daily sacrifices and him become the leader of the one-world government.
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Yeah, about that, believing in pre-trib won't change God's mind. He wrote in the Bible that His Son will pick us up AFTER the great tribulation and said that we should endure to the end - that means to build up our faith in Him so that we can withstand everything that will come against us.
If you build up your faith to endure to the end, you can continue to hope for the fantasy of pre-trib, but also be ready for the great tribulation that is sure to come.
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In Rev before the mark He says those whos names were written before the foundation of the world will not worship the beast. So.. one has to worship the beast before you ever take the mark. If you do not worship the beast it says you die. Now we need to look at worshiping the beast and taking his mark and why there is no salvation for them. They are not deceived they fully understand worshiping the beast taking his mark they are saying no to GOD. His word says if you were blind you would have no sin. Hard to judge someone when they didn't know the real truth. In this case the reason there is no hope is they are 100% saying no to GOD yes to Satan. Every believer whos names are written.. will never worship the beast. There is no fear here.