The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Cameron143]

Sometimes singing harmony helps to reach those you are wanting to...

Sure, if you direct it towards them.

 

[Genez]

Sure, if you direct it towards them.

Harmonizing with you was directed towards whomever it may have concerned.

It's all good.

 

[GaryA]

There was never a time when all English-speaking Christians primarily used the KJV.

There was a time when most English-speaking Christians primarily used the KJV.

Which is more important: that the word of God (any translation thereof) be available to people, or that all people use the same translation?

What is most important is to use a translation that has not been corrupted. Using the same translation is a bonus.

There isn't a single major doctrine that is actually undermined by any modern translation

Guess again...

(excluding those prepared by cult groups, of course)

'cult group' = "any group that uses the Westcott and Hort text as a basis for a bible translation"

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I thought God acted sovereignly in revival by His Spirit. How exactly would a version of the Bible cause revival?

Why don't research the internet about it?


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[Cameron143]

Why don't research the internet about it?


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No need. The Spirit of God blows where He wills. Times of refreshing still come from the presence of the Lord.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I said exactly what I meant to say. Your so-called logic can be used to defend any book.

Not at all. I did not give you all of my reasons. No other religious book has the same qualities as the King James Bible.
The KJV is the most printed book in the world, and its language has influenced English-speaking countries.
Biblical Numerics confirms the divine nature of the KJV. Again, no other religious book can hold a candle to the level of insane biblical patterns like the KJV. For example: 70 x 7 (Which is how many times Jesus told us to forgive) is the number of times the name of Jesus appears in both the odd books and the even books of the New Testament (When referring to Jesus or the second person of the Trinity).

But alas, you are so blinded by your devotion to a mere translation that you can't process your own arguments rationally and instead lash out with insults when faced with disagreement and challenge.

Unlike you, I actually have many evidences and logical reasons to back up my position.

Fallacy: false equivocation. The KJV is a translation of God's word, one of a great many.

If one does not believe in the promises of God that His Word is perfect and that it will be preserved forever, then this would be the case.
Seems like you just do not want to believe these particular promises in the Bible.

Fallacy: false attribution. God Himself has brought about revivals, and in a few cases the translation most commonly used by His servants involved was the KJV.

If that was the only evidence, then we wouldn't even be talking right now. There are many other bread crumb clues and evidences that back up the KJV being more than just a regular book. It is the Word of God.

More fallacious argumentation. We might use some quotes from the KJV, but we use quotes from Shakespeare too. Is Shakespeare now the word of God?

Again, you are looking to tear down all reasons or evidence for the Word of God. You also have your bias and preference and it does not align with what the Bible says about itself on such mattters.

Irrelevant.

The KJV being the most printed book in the world is one link in the chain of evidences that show it is the Word of God. Surely, I am not saying this is the sole reason.

It's positive impact has formed the Protestant English-speaking world as we know it.

Wrong. God Himself has guided His people and superintended the events of history, both secular and Christian.

Surely if God is the author of the Bible, He would superintend it. Nowhere did I suggest God was not involved in the superintending of His Word.

Modern Bibles lead to confusion and doubt. Many have lost their faith when they learned of the false Science of Modern Textual Criticism.

Don't be a jackdonkey just because you happen to dislike my challenges. Disagreeing with you does not make we "woke" or "Leftist"; it just says I'm a knowledgeable, intelligent person who isn't afraid to tell you you're full of hogwash and bad arguments.

I am not saying you are Woke. I am saying the tactic is of those in the Woke agenda or the Leftist Media. Instead of dealing with the facts and researching things fairly, you create your own narrative you prefer to see.

I've done plenty of research, thanks. I just don't blindly accept propaganda the way you seem to.

I don't believe you researched this topic fairly or without any bias. Would you really believe in a Bible that is word perfect if that was the truth? How is it logical to believe in a Bible Movement that has shape-shifter Bibles or no settled text? How can the Bible be trustworthy if that is the case?

The emoticon I used tells you nothing other than that I yawn at your post as a whole. Don't bother making more of a jackdonkey of yourself by assuming what I think.

My post was about the Bible. The fact that you would put a sleeping emoji shows you do not take this subject seriously or with the care that it deserves.


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[Bible_Highlighter]

No need. The Spirit of God blows where He wills. Times of refreshing still come from the presence of the Lord.

Do you realize that one of the problems of those who are Woke or who favor the Liberal Left is about not actually listening or doing any kind of research into the truth? For example: Kamala and the Left Media are perfect examples of this. They do not believe in being fair with the facts. Granted, I am not saying Republicans are saints or anything. However, the current Republican party does deal with the evidence of many things that are important to helping the country. So all I am asking from you is common sense to research things to discover the truth. Yet, you are hiding or burying your head in the sand as if that is an admirable trait. Denying reality is never a good thing.


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[Cameron143]

Do you realize that one of the problems of those who are Woke or who favor the Liberal Left is about not actually listening or doing any kind of research into the truth? For example: Kamala and the Left Media are perfect examples of this. They do not believe in being fair with the facts. Granted, I am not saying Republicans are saints or anything. However, the current Republican party does deal with the evidence of many things that are important to helping the country. So all I am asking from you is common sense to research things to discover the truth. Yet, you are hiding or burying your head in the sand as if that is an admirable trait. Denying reality is never a good thing.


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I never said I haven't done research. In fact, had you read my answer more slowly, you would have found that my answer is biblically based. No revival in history began with a particular Bible translation. Each began as the Spirit began to move upon people. We don't need an outpouring of Bible translations. We could use an outpouring of the Spirit.

 

[Dino246]

There was a time when most English-speaking Christians primarily used the KJV.

And? What of it? Popularity is not a measure of truth, validity, or soundness.

What is most important is to use a translation that has not been corrupted. Using the same translation is a bonus.

Most translations have not been corrupted. If anything, I could say that the KJV has been corrupted because it has been modified from its original 1611 text.

Guess again...

As my prior comment was not a guess, your advice is irrelevant.

'cult group' = "any group that uses the Westcott and Hort text as a basis for a bible translation"

Unadulterated bullhockey.

By your foolish and clearly thoughtless comment, you must think that the Mormons, JW's, Christadelphians, and Moonies aren't cult groups.

 

[Dino246]

Biblical Numerics confirms the divine nature of the KJV. Again, no other religious book can hold a candle to the level of insane biblical patterns like the KJV. For example: 70 x 7 (Which is how many times Jesus told us to forgive) is the number of times the name of Jesus appears in both the odd books and the even books of the New Testament (When referring to Jesus or the second person of the Trinity).

The numerics say nothing at all about the validity of the KJV, because only in the original languages can they be considered truly meaningful. As it is, they are just noise and clatter.

Unlike you, I actually have many evidences and logical reasons to back up my position.

Wrong. I have plenty of evidence and logical reasons for rejecting the KJV as "the perfect, preserved word of God in English".

If one does not believe in the promises of God that His Word is perfect and that it will be preserved forever, then this would be the case.

I do believe that the word of God is perfect and also that God has preserved His word. You and I disagree on the methods He has used.

Seems like you just do not want to believe these particular promises in the Bible.

I just don't accept your narrow, cultic explanation of them.

If that was the only evidence, then we wouldn't even be talking right now. There are many other bread crumb clues and evidences that back up the KJV being more than just a regular book. It is the Word of God.

As is the NIV, the NASB, and dozens of other translations.

Again, you are looking to tear down all reasons or evidence for the Word of God. You also have your bias and preference and it does not align with what the Bible says about itself on such mattters.

I grow tired of your ridiculous and baseless insults.

Modern Bibles lead to confusion and doubt. Many have lost their faith when they learned of the false Science of Modern Textual Criticism.

Your accusation is false. I know of entire cults that use the KJV. Of course, you'll sidestep that reality. Someone who loses their faith when they learn a few things didn't have sound faith in the first place.

I am not saying you are Woke. I am saying the tactic is of those in the Woke agenda or the Leftist Media. Instead of dealing with the facts and researching things fairly, you create your own narrative you prefer to see.

I do deal with facts... the relevant facts. I suggest you keep your slanderous implications to yourself.

I don't believe you researched this topic fairly or without any bias.

Same to you.

Would you really believe in a Bible that is word perfect if that was the truth? How is it logical to believe in a Bible Movement that has shape-shifter Bibles or no settled text? How can the Bible be trustworthy if that is the case?

"Shape-shifter Bibles"? Now you're just being ridiculous.

My post was about the Bible. The fact that you would put a sleeping emoji shows you do not take this subject seriously or with the care that it deserves..

Your comment tells me you would rather invent negative beliefs about others than deal honestly and respectfully with the reasonable challenges they bring forth.

 

[Magenta]

Most translations have not been corrupted. If anything, I could say that the KJV
has been corrupted because it has been modified from its original 1611 text.

Indeed. If it was as perfect as some claim, there would have been no need to modify it in subsequent editions.

 

[Dino246]

Do you realize that one of the problems of those who are Woke or who favor the Liberal Left is about not actually listening or doing any kind of research into the truth?

Do you realize that you don't appear to be "actually listening" either?

Denying reality is never a good thing.

So don't do it.

 

[Genez]

I never said I haven't done research. In fact, had you read my answer more slowly, you would have found that my answer is biblically based. No revival in history began with a particular Bible translation. Each began as the Spirit began to move upon people. We don't need an outpouring of Bible translations. We could use an outpouring of the Spirit.

The outpouring of the Spirit might just cause a demand for many purchases of Bible translations.
Should have decent ones waiting in the wings...

 

[Genez]

Most translations have not been corrupted. If anything, I could say that the KJV has been corrupted because it has been modified from its original 1611 text.

If you can find a copy of the prelude of the 1611 King James Bible?
Read it.
The translators knew it was nor a perfect translation.

If I ever find a copy of it again, I will copy it to my hard drive.

 

[Dino246]

If you can find a copy of the prelude of the 1611 King James Bible?
Read it.
The translators knew it was nor a perfect translation.

If I ever find a copy of it again, I will copy it to my hard drive.

I have read it, and have a copy of it somewhere. The KJV-onlyists reject it as “not Scripture” so they disregard its contents that refute their position.

 

[Genez]

I have read it, and have a copy of it somewhere. The KJV-onlyists reject it as “not Scripture” so they disregard its contents that refute their position.

That just shows us what kind of non-thinking person jumps into the KJV Only ditch....

They will not even heed the word of the translators.

Its a shame. But, they are without excuse.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

There are some here who do not believe 1 Cor. 2:14. They postulate that the natural man is
well enough equipped, with no help from God whatsoever, to choose to believe in Him.
They reduce it to a moral decision, though none do good nor are righteous either.
(That is, according to Scripture.)

I do not see any moral virtue in trusting in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Quite the opposite, I see agreement with God that there is a total lack of moral virtue and a desperate need for forgiveness and acceptance of the undeserved free gift of forgiveness that Christ offers.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Well many people have the indwelling Spirit and still do not understand it and twist scripture, so there is that.

Jesus came to live in our hearts in order to reveal Himself to us and keep Himself hidden from the world (John 14). He leads, guides, teaches, directs, corrects, and comforts us from inside our hearts. We must walk in lock-step with Him if we want to live successful Christian lives. In my experience, it is possible to resist the Spirit and hang on to false doctrines. But that is not a comfortable place to live. If a person hangs on to false doctrine and is not corrected by the Lord, he is not His.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus came to live in our hearts in order to reveal Himself to us and keep Himself hidden from the world (John 14). He leads, guides, teaches, directs, corrects, and comforts us from inside our hearts. We must walk in lock-step with Him if we want to live successful Christian lives. In my experience, it is possible to resist the Spirit and hang on to false doctrines. But that is not a comfortable place to live. If a person hangs on to false doctrine and is not corrected by the Lord, he is not His.

I agree with your first part, although not sure about not a "comfortable place to live."
Seems to me some people are just fine with strange beliefs like limited atonement, wrong ideas about election and predestination etc.,

I think if we do as scripture tells us to check we are in the faith and seek truth in all things God does use that sincere seeking, however, many Christians are very self assured in what can be a very false doctrine and I think sometimes God leaves them there, in this day and age correction is nearly impossible.

The first Christians were learning the faith, they had different baggage, we however are indoctrinated from the get go by whatever denomination or school of thought we take on, not yet having the knowledge and discernment to know truth from falsehood and usually it is too late after people are indoctrinated because they have a specific skewed lens through which they read scripture.

it is a bit of mystery really.

I do agree for myself with what you state, having left the wrong doctrine of dispensationalism behind along with lordship salvation and some other Calvinistic leanings.

 

[Magenta]

Seems to me some people are just fine with strange beliefs...,

Like you? What do you make of this John verse? I have asked a number of people including you and none ever answer.

Where is "free will" here??? They could not simply choose to believe as you keep saying.

John 12:38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”