What are his commandments?

[SabbathBlessing]

Without ever saying to keep the Sabbath, why?.

Jesus is my Sabbath rest.

They were already keeping every Sabbath, Jesus, the apostles and His faithful followers

The Sabbath has been consistent all throughout the whole bible

God said:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Lev 23:3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a holy gathering like in Chruch

Did this change in the New Testament?

Not by Jesus

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Did it change after the Cross?

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Not by the apostle's

Does it change in the New Heaven and New Earth

Yes. Only because now instead of worshipping Christ in spirit, the saints will be in His physical presence, like at Creation Gen 2:1-3 Gen 1:26 but the Sabbath remains just as what was promised.

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The Sabbath was part of Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 1:23 before sin entered, made for mankind Mark 2:27 to bless and sanctify man Isa 56:1-6 Eze 20:12 because man cannot sanctify themselves, we need God. The Sabbath is a memorial to Creation and our Creator Exo 20:11 why we should not forget what God said to Remember.

 

[Magenta]

If love is the fulfilling of the law...
Is it okay to transgress the law?

Should we keep the because of love?
All of it or just 9/10 th

Would I be loving God if I kept most of the commandments but had graven images and took God's name in vain?

If love is the fulfilling of the law how do you justify transgressing it?

Interesting. You both seem to think you can keep the law even after thousands of years of history that proves we cannot. Did Jesus command keeping the Sabbath or did He not? Why do you ignore that? Is it that you really fail to grasp the very salient fact that the 7th day rest was always pointing forward to Jesus Christ and the rest we find in Him from works to attain our salvation? If you have put yourself under the law, good luck saving yourself because you break the whole law to stumble in even one part. You can't do it.

Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

 

[Magenta]

Galatians 5:4 and 6b ~ You who are trying to be justified by the law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. All that matters is faith, expressed through love.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Galatians 5:4 and 6b ~ You who are trying to be justified by the law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. All that matters is faith, expressed through love.

The Sabbath is not mentioned one time in all of Galatians. The main law Paul is referring to is circumcision.
Gal 2:3,7,8,9,12, Gal 5:2,6,11 Gal 6:12,13,15.

The premise Paul was correcting is that salvation did not come from circumcision Gal 2:3 but our salvation comes from faith. We cannot save ourselves, we need Christ.

Gal 5:4 is not referring to any of the Ten Commandments, I mean really only worshipping God would sever us from Him? Obeying God is severing us from Him? Never Rev 22:14
why Paul said:

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

 

[Magenta]

The Sabbath is not mentioned

I did not say anything about whether it is mentioned or not. Jesus did not command it.

Nowhere in the NT is it commanded. By anyone.

It could be mentioned a million times. That is beside the point. You miss the point.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I did not say anything about whether it is mentioned or not. Jesus did not command it.

Nowhere in the NT is it commanded.

The commandments are kept by love John 14:15 and faith Rom 3:31

 

[Magenta]

The commandments are kept by love John 14:15 and faith Rom 3:31

Good luck trying to keep them when you break them all.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Good luck trying to keep them when you break them all.

We can't on our own but through Christ, all things are possible. Are we will willing to cooperate?

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

 

[Magenta]

We can't on our own but through Christ, all things are possible. Are we will willing to cooperate?

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Sabbath keeping like many try to force on us is not part of it.

One of your friends claims 613 laws (the mitzvot) have now been written on our hearts.

TOTALLY ridiculous.

 

[Magenta]

God will never force Sabbath-keeping or force any of the commandments, its kept by love and faith, the Sabbath is meant to bless us and sanctify us. He loves us so much He would never make someone keep the Sabbath for all eternity Isa 66:23 If one opposes the Sabbath so much now, would probably not be happy in heaven.

The old covenant is passing away. Have you not heard? Are you a Jew? Are you not in Christ? There is a new covenant.

Perhaps you will have your own little room in heaven like the Catholics.

So you can pretend nobody else is there.

Meanwhile you keep ignoring the fact that Sabbath keeping was NEVER commanded in the NT.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The old covenant is passing away. Have you not heard? Are you a Jew? Are you not in Christ? There is a new covenant.

Perhaps you will have your own little room in heaven like the Catholics.

The new covenant is based on better promises, not better laws Heb 8:6 It still has God's law but now He is the one writing His law on our hearts based on His power which is a much better promise. Its why the Ten Commandments are all throughout the entire bible. Never ending, not even the Sabbath according to Jesus Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23

Need to run. Take care.

 

[Magenta]

The new covenant is based on better promises, not better laws

Change in priesthood, change in law. Do you think they are worse? Gosh.

 

[Webers.Home]

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369» Heb 12:15a . . See to it that no one comes short of the grace of
God

The Greek word translated "comes short" also means destitute; defined by
Webster's as lacking possessions and resources; especially suffering extreme
poverty, i.e. deprived.

I think it's pretty much a given that there are always going to be members
in every congregation that are spiritually destitute. The idea here is that
their spiritual destitution not be due to negligence.

In other words, the spiritual element in congregations should take it upon
themselves to make an effort to assist the non spiritual element to at least
know how to obtain the grace of God, i.e. congregations are responsible to
police themselves, so to speak, rather than leave this aspect of the Christian
way of life entirely up to church staffs.

The answer to Cain's question "Am I my brother's keeper?" was NO to his
way of thinking, but it's supposed to be YES to the spiritual Christian's way
of thinking.
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[SabbathBlessing]

Change in priesthood, change in law. Do you think they are worse? Gosh.

The change thats being referred to in Heb 7 is priesthood law.

The law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi because they were the only ones who were faithful when Moses went to the mountain to get the Ten Commandments.

However Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so in order for Him to be our High Priest in the New Covenant the law- the priesthood- had to change.

Heb 7:1 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood.

 

[mailmandan]

The old covenant is passing away. Have you not heard? Are you a Jew? Are you not in Christ? There is a new covenant.

Perhaps you will have your own little room in heaven like the Catholics.

So you can pretend nobody else is there.

Meanwhile you keep ignoring the fact that Sabbath keeping was NEVER commanded in the NT.

Let me know when your arm gets tired from beating a dead horse, like mine did.

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[Webers.Home]

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370» Heb 12:15b . . See to it that no root of a bitter plant, sprouting up,
causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

The Greek word for "defiled" basically means to taint, sully, and/or
contaminate.

Seeing as how this epistle is addressed to Hebrews, then I think we're pretty
safe to assume that the "root of a bitter plant" likely refers to Deut 29:18-19
which reads thus:

"Make sure there is no root among you that produces such bitter poison.
When such a person hears the words of this oath, he invokes a blessing on
himself and therefore thinks: I will be safe, even though I persist in going
my own way."

Why those kinds of people even bother coming to church is a bit of a
mystery seeing as how they have no intention whatsoever to either
exemplify and/or implement Christ's instruction. As far as they're concerned,
Jesus should mind his own business and stop trying to meddle in their
affairs. Such folk aren't harmless, no, they are quite pernicious.

Moses warned in the 29th chapter that toxic people can lead a country to
ruin. Well, the lesson here is obvious: bitter plants can lead a church to ruin;
and if allowed to become pervasive, will be difficult to eradicate.
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[vassal]

I did not say anything about whether it is mentioned or not. Jesus did not command it.

Nowhere in the NT is it commanded. By anyone.

It could be mentioned a million times. That is beside the point. You miss the point.

In the New Testament, Jesus shows the importance of keeping the commandments in several passages. Here are some key verses from the New King James Version (NKJV):
Matthew 19:17
"So He said to him, 'Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.'"
John 14:15
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."
John 14:21
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Mark 10:19
"You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and your mother.'"

These verses are from Jesus' teachings on the importance of adhering to God's commandments.

In Mark 10:19 Jesus did not list them all, he was giving an example so the listeners knew he was talking about the 10 Commandments.

Does this mean that the omitted commandments;
You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
are no longer valid? God forbids!

Here is more from the N.T.

Romans 3:31
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law."
1 John 2:3-4
"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Revelation 22:14
"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."

There are numerous verses also that proves that Jesus the 12 and Paul adhered to the sabbath law, All Jews did, I can quote them also if needed.

Magenta you keep telling others that the commandments are no longer valid, this is a mistake, repent before it is too late.
Sorry if it is a bit harsh but i see no other way to make you understand;

Matthew 5:19
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 7:23 "And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'"
1 John 3:4 "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness."

James 2:10
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all."

Magenta the law was given by GOD for a reason, to free us from sin! Scriptures proves that they are valid and shall never pass.

 

[vassal]

Galatians 5:14, Ecclesiastes 12:13, Romans 13:10b The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul forgot the first and most important of all ;

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." (Matthew 22:37)

"You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 22:39)

You forgot about it as well.

 

[vassal]

Interesting. You both seem to think you can keep the law even after thousands of years of history that proves we cannot. Did Jesus command keeping the Sabbath or did He not? Why do you ignore that? Is it that you really fail to grasp the very salient fact that the 7th day rest was always pointing forward to Jesus Christ and the rest we find in Him from works to attain our salvation? If you have put yourself under the law, good luck saving yourself because you break the whole law to stumble in even one part. You can't do it.

Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

If GOD gave us the commandments, we can follow them. It is us who have to choose what to do. When you love GOD You want to follow them, God's love for us work in us and transforms us. It is a process, takes time and faith but is achievable for those who love god and their neighbours. it is a transformative process It id the Holy Spirit, the comforter send to us who helps us.

In John 14:26 (NKJV), Jesus says:

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

about your plate there, know that James refutes it completely;

James 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[Magenta]

Paul forgot the first and most important of all ;

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." (Matthew 22:37)

"You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 22:39)

You forgot about it as well.

Your erroneous assumptions and false accusations simply show your lack of understanding.