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MeowFlower

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It's commonly believed the so-called fallen nature is inherited from one's
biological father. Oh? Then whence did Eve get it? She was constructed with
material taken from Adam's body but that was all over and done with before
he tasted the forbidden fruit; so it was too late for him to transmit the fallen
nature to Eve via heredity.


FAQ: Did she get it from the fruit?

REPLY: Eve was the first to taste the forbidden fruit. When she did, nothing
happened. Eve went right on in the buff unashamed as usual. It wasn't till
Adam tasted the fruit that she got busy covering up her pelvic area with fig
leaves.


FAQ: If Eve's altered perception of decency wasn't due to the fruit, nor due
to heredity; then from where? Did God do it?


REPLY: Mr. Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) --is the logical source. He
has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human
body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16,
Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:1-2.


FAQ: Why didn't the Serpent tamper with Eve when she tasted the fruit?
Why wait till Adam tasted it?


REPLY: It was apparently God's purpose that if sin and death were to come
into the world, they would come thru the actions of one man working solo
just as life and righteousness would later come into the world thru the
actions of one man working solo. (Rom 5:12-21)


* I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame
away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe
fathers propagate the fallen nature when it's been the Serpent all along, viz:
Jesus wasn't just blowing off steam when he informed his opponents in John
8:44 that the Devil was their daddy.


How the Serpent has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time
I don't know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind
pulpits, and chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as
unsuspecting accomplices; which goes to show that if an idea is repeated
often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in high
enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without
thought or question. (Asch Conformity Phenomenon)


A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
(Thomas Paine)
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Adam was with Eve as she ate of the fruit.
 

DavyP

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Just curious - did her boyfriend love her then??? What was the outcome? I'm asking because I want to know if God protected the Christian boyfriend from this spell/curse. Or did God intervene through the pastor before the spell/curse took effect?


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I don't recall, we'd have to get the book The Demonologist, and I'm not promoting the book. That story was read from the book by Dr. Gene Scott on his old satellite network. Folks would send him books, and if he thought it important he would read some of it online during the week, and then buy a hundred copies and send one to those who called in to donate money.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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#63
I don't recall, we'd have to get the book The Demonologist, and I'm not promoting the book. That story was read from the book by Dr. Gene Scott on his old satellite network. Folks would send him books, and if he thought it important he would read some of it online during the week, and then buy a hundred copies and send one to those who called in to donate money.

I've looked it up - is it the one about Ed and Lorraine Warren? If so, yeah, not really interested in that....


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Pilgrimshope

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We disagree on what that time is referring to.
Indeed

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all ( that’s written in the ot ) be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32‬ ‭

Some people are looking for what happened in ad 70 which Jesus was red then aboit and John gave the their fonal wernkng just before it happened. Instead of looking for the New Testament promises of Jesus coming back from heaven each testament has its own prophecy the old was fulfilled ots why Jerusalem was destroyed like what was written before Jesus came that it would be destroyed and left desolate and the people would be slaughtered and led into the nations ect

it’s odd here to me . If we would read what the old testement said would happen we would see it happen in the nt and then inow to find out what the nt says will happen later and we’d have stronger faith knowing it’s sure seeing the old being fulfilled as evidence
 

Cameron143

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Indeed

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all ( that’s written in the ot ) be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:32‬ ‭

Some people are looking for what happened in ad 70 which Jesus was red then aboit and John gave the their fonal wernkng just before it happened. Instead of looking for the New Testament promises of Jesus coming back from heaven each testament has its own prophecy the old was fulfilled ots why Jerusalem was destroyed like what was written before Jesus came that it would be destroyed and left desolate and the people would be slaughtered and led into the nations ect

it’s odd here to me . If we would read what the old testement said would happen we would see it happen in the nt and then inow to find out what the nt says will happen later and we’d have stronger faith knowing it’s sure seeing the old being fulfilled as evidence
My point is that when a dual prophecy is given, it will be initially fulfilled in OT times, and the reality of what is being prefigured in OT history is fulfilled in the coming of Messiah. In other words, Jesus is the final fulfillment of all prophecy.

How do you understand the prophecy of Isaiah 61 being fulfilled?
 

Pilgrimshope

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My point is that when a dual prophecy is given, it will be initially fulfilled in OT times, and the reality of what is being prefigured in OT history is fulfilled in the coming of Messiah. In other words, Jesus is the final fulfillment of all prophecy.

How do you understand the prophecy of Isaiah 61 being fulfilled?
“Jesus is the final fulfillment of all prophecy.”

right in the ot imagine there’s no nt for a moment and we’re living just before Jesus comes preaching all the scripture is the prophets the law and the psalms . Now no one’s heard from God for about 250 years the last they had heard in thier testement was a promise of a messiah who was going to give them a new and eternal covenant when he came that would restore them to God

The last we have is this prophecy

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then this

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭

so then 250 -300 years later the fulfillment of thier testements prophecy begins to happen

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. ( Malachi 3)

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ( my messenger will prepare the way before me )

And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. ( thier prepared now for the new covenant and it’s giver the messiah the lord whom they seek )

And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭

the Old Testament prophecy is about Jesus being born and coming to Jerusalem , being rejected by the people and crucified willingly for the peoples sins to take thier sins upon himself so they can have remission of sins.


Then about him ascending to the right hand of God and ruling from the throne of heaven , where he would later return in the future ect

the Old Testament was made exclusively with Israel’s tribes and thier descendants known as the children of Israel they were promised a messiah , a kingdom , an inheritance through Abraham ect on this earth . They broke thier covenant with God and faced the punishment

when jesus came it was fulfilling the promise of a new and eternal covenant that would be given to them first and then given to the rest of the nations by them who received it in tbat generation of Jesus

its why you see this in tbe ot prophecy

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬

jesus fuflilled that

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus also fuflilled this when he ascended to heavens throne at the right hand of God after they rejected and had him crucified he left earths kingdom and entered heavens u til the day comes for him to come in victory over his enemies which the new testement prophecy tells us will happen at the end of our covenant which also Jesus will return a second time to fulfill the second covenant based on the gospel and not Moses law , not Israel’s land on this earth but according to the New Testament doctrine when Jesus returns it’s not going to be to set up a kingdom in Israel he already did that no one recognized it

“And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He already came to the temple when he was born and lived he already stood on the Mount of olives and taught ect already was born and lived and died and rose and ascended up to heaven at Gods right hand ect

theres old testement promises of a messiah who would be born , live and be rejected by the people , die for the peoples sin , be raised up again and taken up into heaven to rule from gods throne with a rod of iron ect

these things have already been fulfilled in accordance with those things things like Jerusalems destruction because they rejected trier savior the son also has already happened the wrath of e breaking of thier covenent already happened in 70 ad the temples destruction Jesus told them was gonna happen soon already happened it was destroyed and burned by rome in 70 ad after the people were forbidden from worshipping correctly after the idol was set up to Zeus on the temple long before ect ect these things happened in those days some before some shortly after

there’s been no temple in Jerusalem for almost two thousand years now they don’t control the temple mound now Islams temple is there stating “God has no son “ ect

Your right Jesus fuflilled prophecy each testament promises his coming to fulfill it he’s already come once and that prophetic order is over now we’re looking for what the New Testament says for the church not what the ot said to israel anymore but what Jesus and his apostles and prophets said after he was taken up to his throne in heaven where someday he’ll come again not as a baby to die for sin but as the king of kings and lord ot lords to save all
Who believe and to destroy this earth completely and restore a new one with the kk from in heaven the real Jerusalem where Jesus rules now and that will appear after this world ends

Im just saying brother what seems obvious there are two testaments in the Bible one was made with israel the other is made with all of mankind every creature and each one has its own prophetic order of events to be looked for for each time and people it was given
 

Cameron143

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“Jesus is the final fulfillment of all prophecy.”

right in the ot imagine there’s no nt for a moment and we’re living just before Jesus comes preaching all the scripture is the prophets the law and the psalms . Now no one’s heard from God for about 250 years the last they had heard in thier testement was a promise of a messiah who was going to give them a new and eternal covenant when he came that would restore them to God

The last we have is this prophecy

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then this

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭

so then 250 -300 years later the fulfillment of thier testements prophecy begins to happen

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. ( Malachi 3)

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ( my messenger will prepare the way before me )

And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. ( thier prepared now for the new covenant and it’s giver the messiah the lord whom they seek )

And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭

the Old Testament prophecy is about Jesus being born and coming to Jerusalem , being rejected by the people and crucified willingly for the peoples sins to take thier sins upon himself so they can have remission of sins.


Then about him ascending to the right hand of God and ruling from the throne of heaven , where he would later return in the future ect

the Old Testament was made exclusively with Israel’s tribes and thier descendants known as the children of Israel they were promised a messiah , a kingdom , an inheritance through Abraham ect on this earth . They broke thier covenant with God and faced the punishment

when jesus came it was fulfilling the promise of a new and eternal covenant that would be given to them first and then given to the rest of the nations by them who received it in tbat generation of Jesus

its why you see this in tbe ot prophecy

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬

jesus fuflilled that

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus also fuflilled this when he ascended to heavens throne at the right hand of God after they rejected and had him crucified he left earths kingdom and entered heavens u til the day comes for him to come in victory over his enemies which the new testement prophecy tells us will happen at the end of our covenant which also Jesus will return a second time to fulfill the second covenant based on the gospel and not Moses law , not Israel’s land on this earth but according to the New Testament doctrine when Jesus returns it’s not going to be to set up a kingdom in Israel he already did that no one recognized it

“And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He already came to the temple when he was born and lived he already stood on the Mount of olives and taught ect already was born and lived and died and rose and ascended up to heaven at Gods right hand ect

theres old testement promises of a messiah who would be born , live and be rejected by the people , die for the peoples sin , be raised up again and taken up into heaven to rule from gods throne with a rod of iron ect

these things have already been fulfilled in accordance with those things things like Jerusalems destruction because they rejected trier savior the son also has already happened the wrath of e breaking of thier covenent already happened in 70 ad the temples destruction Jesus told them was gonna happen soon already happened it was destroyed and burned by rome in 70 ad after the people were forbidden from worshipping correctly after the idol was set up to Zeus on the temple long before ect ect these things happened in those days some before some shortly after

there’s been no temple in Jerusalem for almost two thousand years now they don’t control the temple mound now Islams temple is there stating “God has no son “ ect

Your right Jesus fuflilled prophecy each testament promises his coming to fulfill it he’s already come once and that prophetic order is over now we’re looking for what the New Testament says for the church not what the ot said to israel anymore but what Jesus and his apostles and prophets said after he was taken up to his throne in heaven where someday he’ll come again not as a baby to die for sin but as the king of kings and lord ot lords to save all
Who believe and to destroy this earth completely and restore a new one with the kk from in heaven the real Jerusalem where Jesus rules now and that will appear after this world ends

Im just saying brother what seems obvious there are two testaments in the Bible one was made with israel the other is made with all of mankind every creature and each one has its own prophetic order of events to be looked for for each time and people it was given
The NT was written to what audience? It was, first and foremost, written to and for a 1st century audience. So what is written must first be understood by their understanding. Assuming something written to them refers to future events without relevance to the original audience and specific to their time is what I believe leads to so much confusion.
This is why I asked concerning Isaiah 61. What is your understanding of the dual fulfillment of it?
Also, what necessitated the advent of Christ in the 1st century? What event was required for His second coming?
 

Pilgrimshope

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My point is that when a dual prophecy is given, it will be initially fulfilled in OT times, and the reality of what is being prefigured in OT history is fulfilled in the coming of Messiah. In other words, Jesus is the final fulfillment of all prophecy.

How do you understand the prophecy of Isaiah 61 being fulfilled?
“How do you understand the prophecy of Isaiah 61 being fulfilled?”

It’s a reference to the gospel Jesus would preach when he came. But it’s just what he said when he read Isaiah 61 out loud ….

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, ( Isaiah 61)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I understand it that it began being fulfilled just like he said there and led to what it said here everyone still sees what happened then even today in the scripture it’s still a witness of Christ

“For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed. For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:8-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how many have been converted because of thier witness and glory because God was with them ?

Isaiah 61 is about the gospel being preached by Jesus to Israel , and the remnant which believed sent out to all the world to witness the gospel in that same generation ….notice scripture ends with the death of the apostles but everyone always held it as sacred and preserved thier words

that generation was special see there in isaiah 61 you mention this part of the prophecy ?

“But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice revelation here

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1, 5-6, 9‬ ‭

and here

“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, ( Gods throne is in heaven ) and serve him day and night in his temple: ( priests do that ) and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John was giving them hope from God to keep to the faith in the terrible times they faced and would face ahead his message was stay in the lord even if they kill you for it

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They would soon be faced with Nero’s slaughter who’s name by the way adds up to the number 666 in some numerical form they used in those times of John

who was behind the burning of rome and then following g blaming of Jews and Christian’s for it ordering the state sponsored persecutions of Christian’s

theres things in the Bible that haven’t happened but we find them in the new testement prophecy given to all people and not the ot prophecy given to israel only

now im not saying the ot doesn’t mention the end of the new I’m saying each testament has its own prophetic design and it correlates to the coming of the messiah promised in that covenant

this coming to israel

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, ( at gods right hand in heaven see act as chapter 2:29-36) and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6

thats already happened he already came another thing that happened because of it was this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-38, 40-41, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:7‬ ‭

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: ( Jesus crucified for the people )

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( rome 70 ad what Jesus is warnkng them of who are listening to him )

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15-16, 21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


theres a lot about Jesus second coming too that’s what we’re looking for the ot is about the first coming of Jesus to earth the nt is about his return from heaven two testaments two prophetic lines within each testament based on two appearances of Jesus one as a lamb to be sacrificed the second as a lion in victory and power
 

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1 Cor 10:13
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
KJV


The above verse is simply showing us that not everything bad that happens in this world is the result of Satan and his demons being the cause of it. Kind of hard to explain, but God bringing this 2nd world earth age that is 'imperfect' is about that; some things that happen in this present world are just messed up, and that's part of this present world's design caused by Satan's original rebellion against God, and that's also why God has promised to eventually destroy this present world by His consuming fire.

The danger is with inviting... Satan into one's life. Playin' around with the Occult and its tools, like a Ouija board, Tarot cards, etc., is a good way to invite him in, even unknowingly, because if one listens to the world, they will be told those tools of the Occult are harmless, and won't do anything. Boy are they wrong. "Garbage in, garbage out" is not just about computer programming; it's about what we allow to influence us too.

I recall one story about demons, I think in the book called The Demonologist written by a pastor who apparently had the gift of discerning spirits. There was this young rich girl that was so in love with her boyfriend (who was a Christian), that she decided to cast a witch's spell to cause him to love her. She went to the local Occult store and bought some Occult paraphernalia, and a book on spells, and gave her soul to Satan within the spell. When she showed up with her boyfriend at Church, when the pastor tried to greet her, her face contorted and grimaced at him. When the pastor moved away from her, her features returned to normal. So the pastor got some of the elders together and showed them how she grimaced at him when he got close to her, and they isolated her in a room to find out what was going on.

She admitted to the pastor about casting the spell using some of the tools of Occultism, and inviting Satan into her life, so she could make her boyfriend love her.


Waiting for someone to comment on how the pastor Does NOT have the gift to discern evil spirits and how he doesn’t. Believe it……1 2 3…
 

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The NT was written to what audience? It was, first and foremost, written to and for a 1st century audience. So what is written must first be understood by their understanding. Assuming something written to them refers to future events without relevance to the original audience and specific to their time is what I believe leads to so much confusion.
This is why I asked concerning Isaiah 61. What is your understanding of the dual fulfillment of it?
Also, what necessitated the advent of Christ in the 1st century? What event was required for His second coming?
His second coming will end the world … that’s new testement prophecy

“knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

( it was going to be a long wait )

but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

( that’s why he hasn’t returned yet giving us chance to repent and live )

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ( that’s what happened when he returns from heaven )

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:3-4, 7-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re waiting for Jesus to return brother that’s my point when he does it’s the end and then beginning of the new
 

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Adam was deceived into putting himself under satan through trusting satan and his lies above God and His trut
No -------have to clarify this -------Eve was deceived by Satan ----Adam voluntarily took the fruit from His wife ----Adam committed Treason against God -----Adam was a type of Christ --Adam was the captain of the Garden ---Eve was his helpmate ----
 

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Satan can not be everywhere at once. He is not omniscient like God. There is only 1 Satan, how many demons are there? Billions? Trillions???? millions?? There multi trillions of celestial stars... There are only 8.2 billion humans. Satan can not directly kill right? He can only deceive and trick, lie manipulate. If there are trillions of demons, there could be 10x each demons to attach each nonbeliever like a guardian demon or inverse of guardian angel.

What powers do his demons have? What powers do they exactly possess. Grant wishes to witches, etc etc? Satan said to Jesus, if you worship me, I will give you the entire earthly Kingdoms, so what can Satan exactly do and how can he do? What can he soley do and what can his demons do? Must all the demons submit to Satan? If you have Christ, demons cant inhabit you right, but they can still trick you.

I remember when I was a kid, I played a game called Dungeons and Dragons.. and basically there labels of Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil.. Chaotic evil being the worst, because you were evil but unpredictable and self serving.

I found Jesus 25+ years ago. how did Satan trick me for so long to go away... maybe that's another thread. haha
 

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“How do you understand the prophecy of Isaiah 61 being fulfilled?”

It’s a reference to the gospel Jesus would preach when he came. But it’s just what he said when he read Isaiah 61 out loud ….

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, ( Isaiah 61)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I understand it that it began being fulfilled just like he said there and led to what it said here everyone still sees what happened then even today in the scripture it’s still a witness of Christ

“For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed. For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:8-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how many have been converted because of thier witness and glory because God was with them ?

Isaiah 61 is about the gospel being preached by Jesus to Israel , and the remnant which believed sent out to all the world to witness the gospel in that same generation ….notice scripture ends with the death of the apostles but everyone always held it as sacred and preserved thier words

that generation was special see there in isaiah 61 you mention this part of the prophecy ?

“But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice revelation here

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1, 5-6, 9‬ ‭

and here

“And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, ( Gods throne is in heaven ) and serve him day and night in his temple: ( priests do that ) and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John was giving them hope from God to keep to the faith in the terrible times they faced and would face ahead his message was stay in the lord even if they kill you for it

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They would soon be faced with Nero’s slaughter who’s name by the way adds up to the number 666 in some numerical form they used in those times of John

who was behind the burning of rome and then following g blaming of Jews and Christian’s for it ordering the state sponsored persecutions of Christian’s

theres things in the Bible that haven’t happened but we find them in the new testement prophecy given to all people and not the ot prophecy given to israel only

now im not saying the ot doesn’t mention the end of the new I’m saying each testament has its own prophetic design and it correlates to the coming of the messiah promised in that covenant

this coming to israel

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, ( at gods right hand in heaven see act as chapter 2:29-36) and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6

thats already happened he already came another thing that happened because of it was this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-38, 40-41, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:7‬ ‭

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: ( Jesus crucified for the people )

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( rome 70 ad what Jesus is warnkng them of who are listening to him )

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15-16, 21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


theres a lot about Jesus second coming too that’s what we’re looking for the ot is about the first coming of Jesus to earth the nt is about his return from heaven two testaments two prophetic lines within each testament based on two appearances of Jesus one as a lamb to be sacrificed the second as a lion in victory and power
You do not see this prophecy finding fulfillment in the return of Israel to the land and the rebuilding of the temple in the time of Nehemiah?
And who executed judgment upon Israel in 70AD?
 

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Satan can not be everywhere at once. He is not omniscient like God. There is only 1 Satan, how many demons are there? Billions? Trillions???? millions?? There multi trillions of celestial stars... There are only 8.2 billion humans. Satan can not directly kill right? He can only deceive and trick, lie manipulate. If there are trillions of demons, there could be 10x each demons to attach each nonbeliever like a guardian demon or inverse of guardian angel.

What powers do his demons have? What powers do they exactly possess. Grant wishes to witches, etc etc? Satan said to Jesus, if you worship me, I will give you the entire earthly Kingdoms, so what can Satan exactly do and how can he do? What can he soley do and what can his demons do? Must all the demons submit to Satan? If you have Christ, demons cant inhabit you right, but they can still trick you.

I remember when I was a kid, I played a game called Dungeons and Dragons.. and basically there labels of Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil.. Chaotic evil being the worst, because you were evil but unpredictable and self serving.

I found Jesus 25+ years ago. how did Satan trick me for so long to go away... maybe that's another thread. haha
Did you know sharing a simple story of what the enemy has done to you does not give God glory but does give the enemy glory and its something we should never share. Some things you ask/talk about no one knows. Satan comes to kill and to steal. No where is it written he can not kill.. it happens day in day out. Demons.. no one knows. Some say the could be those that died in the flood since they were part angel and part man and were never meant to be. That flood we don't know how many people were on the earth at that time a million or 10 billion we don't know. Where there people here before Adam and Eve? To keep running with this there are parts in the bible that talk about cities before Adam and Eve. To just give one

" looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro. I looked, and behold, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled. I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the Lord, before his fierce anger. "

What powers demons have.. I can't say. Fallen angels have everything that God gave them before the fall. We do tend to really puff our selfs up when in reality we are nothing with out Christ. There is a reason we can not freely see into the spirit world. Seen some things one was we were staying at my moms house and I got up to go to the bathroom and as I was going through the living room to my right I see this black yet see through figure walk through the wall pass in front of me looks at me and goes out the wall to my left. Now I have heard those "stories" of people what saw heaven and said you just knew what they were thinking? I take those with a grain of salt yet when it passed infront of me looked at me It was thinking "you are nothing". I could have said in the name of JESUS and it would not have moved. See its like Peter and John said at that gate after the man was healed and the people thought they did it. They said" why look at us as if we did this by our own power. That NAME faith in that NAME healed this man.

You must have faith and me duh a man of FAITH yet the next week I made sure to keep the lights on in the hallway.. yeah that would keep it out huh haha. Live and learn. Told my mom about it and lol she said "Oh thats just death hes been hanging around here lately. Well my dad did of bone cancer found Christ though. The man she was married to had cancer and died not long after that moment. My mom had cancer for 18y.. and that name above every name heals sets free saves.. Isa 53 1st Peter 2 24.. faith in that name heals. Just letting some know.. I have seen more things like this when it comes to sickness yet I am not moved by what I see or hear or feel. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. The song playing "Every day I live (great great GOD) just singing shouting every day I will praise your name.. every day I live
 

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Let's talk Satan, demons, it's powers
I say ---Knowing your enemy and how he works and what power he has is needed so you can defeat him in all areas of your life ---

Satan' and his tribe have the power to keep people away from God and His word ------

Satan and his tribe has access to your thought life ----his power comes from getting people to act on their --i call it Stinking Thinking ----which are negative and sometimes Evil thoughts and using people's imagination to make pictures of these bad thoughts in their minds and the more you visualize these bad thoughts your Body will move to carry out the thought --

God gave us an imagination and believe me it is very powerful ---the imagination can be used for Good or Evil ---- Satan knows just how powerful the imagination is and he can use it as a snare to get you to move on his behalf ----Satan comes to KILL ___STEAL AND DESTROY Humans ---through our thoughts and imagination ----

Example ----
your married ---you see a person at work that you have an attraction to ----you go home to your spouse but in your mind you can't stop thinking about this person at work ---- you start to see a picture in your mind about going to the person and starting a conversation with them ---next day you approach them --and when you go home you start fantasizing about this person ----and your hooked ---your body will move to your thoughts and pictures in your mind ------
Satan now has you snared and is laughing all the way to deposit you in his Soul Bank ---

Satan has the power to inflict mental and physical illnesses and diseases on people ----

He has the power to distort worldly and Spiritual truth

He has the power to send False prophets into the Church -----

And he has the power to Spiritually infiltrate a person's body and take complete control of them and eventually kill them ----

Satan has the power to block prayers ----

In Daniel 10:13, we read of the faithful servant, Daniel, who prayed to God. Though his request was delivered by Gabriel the Princes of Persia, his prayers were—by satanic involvement—disallowed for days.
 

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Let's talk Satan, demons, it's powers
I say ---Knowing your enemy and how he works and what power he has is needed so you can defeat him in all areas of your life ---

Satan' and his tribe have the power to keep people away from God and His word ------

Satan and his tribe has access to your thought life ----his power comes from getting people to act on their --i call it Stinking Thinking ----which are negative and sometimes Evil thoughts and using people's imagination to make pictures of these bad thoughts in their minds and the more you visualize these bad thoughts your Body will move to carry out the thought --

God gave us an imagination and believe me it is very powerful ---the imagination can be used for Good or Evil ---- Satan knows just how powerful the imagination is and he can use it as a snare to get you to move on his behalf ----Satan comes to KILL ___STEAL AND DESTROY Humans ---through our thoughts and imagination ----

Example ----
your married ---you see a person at work that you have an attraction to ----you go home to your spouse but in your mind you can't stop thinking about this person at work ---- you start to see a picture in your mind about going to the person and starting a conversation with them ---next day you approach them --and when you go home you start fantasizing about this person ----and your hooked ---your body will move to your thoughts and pictures in your mind ------
Satan now has you snared and is laughing all the way to deposit you in his Soul Bank ---

Satan has the power to inflict mental and physical illnesses and diseases on people ----

He has the power to distort worldly and Spiritual truth

He has the power to send False prophets into the Church -----

And he has the power to Spiritually infiltrate a person's body and take complete control of them and eventually kill them ----

Satan has the power to block prayers ----

In Daniel 10:13, we read of the faithful servant, Daniel, who prayed to God. Though his request was delivered by Gabriel the Princes of Persia, his prayers were—by satanic involvement—disallowed for days.


Thank you… everyone and their mom has an opinion about what’s taboo. It’s not to be talked about whether it’s fasting, praying, tongues, this or that it’s so hard to know, but I tell you this brother, I only post in the hopes of gaining knowledge..
 
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Thank you… everyone and their mom has an opinion about what’s taboo.
No Scripture in the Bible should be TABOO -----true Christians need to learn --research and study all 66 books in God's Book so they can defend themselves against God's Enemies and can be ready to answer all and any questions that are posed to them from the people of this world ---

To many Ministers etc are scared to preach the real truth cause they are afraid ----fear does not come from God ---Satan's hook is fear ---Fear tolerated is Faith Contaminated-----

Most Clergy preach soft scripture to keep their pews full ------they preach for the people's approval not God's ----and that is part of Satan's Power and Strategy ----
 

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Waiting for someone to comment on how the pastor Does NOT have the gift to discern evil spirits and how he doesn’t. Believe it……1 2 3…
I've got to assume the author of that book was only relating a story by a certain pastor at a certain Church. I only heard the story through Dr. Gene Scott having read it from the book on his satellite network a long time ago.
 

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The NT was written to what audience? It was, first and foremost, written to and for a 1st century audience. So what is written must first be understood by their understanding. Assuming something written to them refers to future events without relevance to the original audience and specific to their time is what I believe leads to so much confusion.
This is why I asked concerning Isaiah 61. What is your understanding of the dual fulfillment of it?
Also, what necessitated the advent of Christ in the 1st century? What event was required for His second coming?
“The NT was written to what audience? It was, first and foremost, written to and for a 1st century audience.”

Well yes that’s my point . its a record of what happened and was also written by those enduring it until about 65-90 ad whichever dates one wants to date revelation which no one really has anyway to do to an exact year or even decade. We can only look at the content of what’s in the Bible and then in the vision of apacolypse John sees and tells them is about to begin to happen to them.

Those same people in acts who began to be persecuted for thier faith and by that suffering and persecution the gospel began to be spread into the regions by that generation who wrote the scriptures we now believe and have faith in they were of course writing to other believers in that generation that’s my entire point about revelation it was written to people of that day to warn them of what was about to happen and so when it began they would keep faith and endure .

So this

“The NT was written to what audience? It was, first and foremost, written to and for a 1st century audience.”

I agree with this

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is,( presently ) and which was, ( past ) and which is to come; ( future )

and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:3, 9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Note later on in the vision

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:9-11‬ ‭

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:15‬ ‭

“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is preparing them for what’s about to happen when Nero began slaughtering the church in about 67-70 ad a ding in the seige of jersualem and scattering of the Jews both Christian and non Christian into the nations of the world.

In revelation you see the Old Testament end of Jerusalem and it’s time of the ot law and rule being fulfilled and also you see several short visions of what is going on in heaven presently and also what will happen when Jesus returns at the end of the war on earth between Satan and mankind who believe in Jesus in heaven.


things like this should make sense of revelation

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭

If anyone has read the Old Testament and gospel there’s no question what this is a vision of. And we also know when it happened in our natural timeline

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:18

the new and old testaments are divided by Christ two comings the old would be fulfilled when the messiah came forth to israel it would be a blessing or curse like he always said they rejected him and chose the curse.

He then sent the new covenant they rejected out to everyone through a chosen remnant who believed him when he spoke to them and they obeyed when he said go preach that to everyone.

everythings not fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies are fulfilled some of the new are some are is what im saying brother

This is only my own opinion and belief I’m not shouting i have to be infallibly right just am discussing it with you. Just a small disclaimer there lol