Cain and Abel were born after the fall. There is evidence that the consequences spoken in Genesis 3:16-17 were not about childbirth per se.
In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old
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Ah, I see... yes, that happens to all of us at times.
I appreciate your saying this.
May God bless you in your studies (and all of us, as well!)
It's really strange how you see things.
All I said was Adam was created on the sixth day. I didn't say that he fell right away, much less on the same day. Only that he couldn't have stayed there very long that he didn't even have time to spend with his wife and conceive a child.
I can't believe i have to literally spell everything out to you. Just wow.
That is the evidence that Eve knew what childbirth was, God isn't going to tell a woman her pain will increase if didn't know what that meant.
Calm down drama queen... just wow indeed.It's really strange how you see things.
All I said was Adam was created on the sixth day. I didn't say that he fell right away, much less on the same day. Only that he couldn't have stayed there very long that he didn't even have time to spend with his wife and conceive a child.
I can't believe i have to literally spell everything out to you. Just wow.
Are you good at spelling?
On a serious note.... others were saying that they fell on the day they were created, so that is when the "years" attributed to Adam started. It was all a part of trying to figure out how many years passed from Adam's creation til now...
It's sort of moot anyway, if you've been reading all the posts... reading is fundamental, you know...
All the memes and accusing me of being a drama queen when you couldn't just make a proper, simple inference from what I wrote? It's not like I wrote a lot that you can make the wrong assumptions about them that took writing so many paragraphs from you - but you managed to anyway. It really took me by surprise.
It just seems to me that you were just looking to argue and tried to find something in the little that I wrote to argue about.
I'll just post to other people in this thread who don't want to start fights.
I think the most straightforward reading of scripture is that Adam and Eve were created on the same day (man created on the 6th day, male and female He created him). People can try to argue from the silence of scripture, but why and for what benefit? Same as the age of Adam. As God started counting days from creation day 1, it would be strange if He didn't start counting Adam's years until much later. What kind of parent does that? "Oh, my son is 20, but I didn't start counting his years until he was in his teens" (so actually he's in his 30's!?!) Possible, I guess, but bizarre and no scriptural support for it or reason to believe it...
Evidently it was a specific appointed place at specific appointed times.
Much like Temple services.
And it was a community affair, likely with angelic host witnesses as well.
HHHhmmmm I might be off track on this thread, but I do not see the fall happening on the 6th day.
If the fall DID happen on the 6th day, the celebration of the Sabbath rest (an ordinance perpetuated thru the ages) would never have been instituted to begin with. But of course it was.
Thank you for verifying my drama queen assessment....All the memes and accusing me of being a drama queen when you couldn't just make a proper, simple inference from what I wrote? It's not like I wrote a lot that you can make the wrong assumptions about them that took writing so many paragraphs from you - but you managed to anyway. It really took me by surprise.
It just seems to me that you were just looking to argue and tried to find something in the little that I wrote to argue about.
I'll just post to other people in this thread who don't want to start fights.
Yes, that is the most straightforward reading of it... it is what I have been taught all my life. But I prefer to think and reason for myself, and as I stated, I started on this short observation with the idea that maybe there is a way to clear up the apparent discrepancies in the young earth/old earth debate.
My mistake was in not reading further into Genesis... I only re-read 1-3.... and taking only those 3 chapters, it was entirely possible that "mankind" was created on the 6th day... and then Adam and Eve (possibly God's special project for the lineage of Jesus) were created at some later time, and placed in the garden..... especially since Gen 1, the 6th day made no mention of man being placed in a garden... it was only said that man was told to populate the earth, etc... then in Gen 2, we have the story of Adam's creation. That scenario would answer a multitude of questions about creation....
Gen 5 pretty much dispels that notion...
As far as Adam's years being counted from birth.... IF Adam and Eve were created to live in the garden and maintain it (15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate it and tend it. ) then why would God count Adam's years there? He was designed to live forever, apparently, so what value would there be in counting years of life? It would make no sense.
When Adam fell, and became "mortal", then there would be value in counting years...
Again, I'm not "arguing" in the perjorative sense, I'm simply speculating out of what appears to be logical, to me. You are arguing your understanding, and I am arguing mine. We can certainly agree to disagree.... that is normal in a discussion, and I welcome it, as long as it doesn't become overly-dramatic and histrionic, the way others have approached it.
The garden was such a place, that's the only place God is mentioned during those times.
The temple was among the trees of the garden.
Genesis 3:8
“And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.”
You're just trying to save face but failing miserably. If you read what other people wrote about Adam being created on the 6th day, NONE of them thought that he fell on that same day. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE who thought that's what was meant.
Can't even admit you falsely assume what I wrote!
Why not? Adam and Eve didn't know what death was when God first told them about that, either.
That’s an argument from silence. The Bible doesn’t record that Adam and Eve knew about birth or death, but that is not conclusive proof they didn’t.
God could have endowed them with knowledge, and He could have taught them normally.
There were seasons, Adam knew what a leaf looked like when it died. Adam named the dead leaf mantis because it looked like one as well. So death did happen in the beginning.
God is Spirit and lives in unapproachable light.
How can Adam and Eve hear God walking in the garden?
Actually, Sabbatarian laws were only ordained until fulfilled by Christ and superseded by the New Covenant. As CL 3:16-17 says, "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a [fore]shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."