Applying God's Word to Politics

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GWH

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This is a ridiculous comment.
But your hopes have been fulfilled.
I live completely off grid. I'm actually sitting here in my insulated coveralls pondering if its too late in the day to tear town my heater and get it running again. Looks like tomorrow. I haven't taken a dime from Uncle Scam in maybe twenty years, and when I'm eligible for SS, I won't draw it. I don't go to doctors or watch television either, or listen to the radio, and I haven't since about 1990. Dentists have been unavoidable, but I pay cash. No Medicare etc. I drive into town about once a month, but I'm pretty sure the gas taxes covered any obligations I have there. Are you happy now? Have I fulfilled enough of your arbitrary demands to relinquish my civic duties? Or are there some additional forms or something I need to submit? My kingdom, His Kingdom, is not of this world. Its a pretty basic biblical concept.
peace
Wow! Like John the Baptist. The closest I came to doing that was camping out with the Boy Scouts.
 

GWH

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I suppose my point is, to separate from the world you either must be a monk or dead.

Is it a sin to vote for Biblical values? Or is it a sin to be apathetic towards evil? To see it but do nothing to try and preserve what is good?
Normally I would say "no", but these days not voting against the Marxist Dems risks abetting their subjugation of our country so that we will no longer be able to vote or practice Christian values.
 

Eli1

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This is a ridiculous comment.
But your hopes have been fulfilled.
I live completely off grid. I'm actually sitting here in my insulated coveralls pondering if its too late in the day to tear town my heater and get it running again. Looks like tomorrow. I haven't taken a dime from Uncle Scam in maybe twenty years, and when I'm eligible for SS, I won't draw it. I don't go to doctors or watch television either, or listen to the radio, and I haven't since about 1990. Dentists have been unavoidable, but I pay cash. No Medicare etc. I drive into town about once a month, but I'm pretty sure the gas taxes covered any obligations I have there. Are you happy now? Have I fulfilled enough of your arbitrary demands to relinquish my civic duties? Or are there some additional forms or something I need to submit? My kingdom, His Kingdom, is not of this world. Its a pretty basic biblical concept.
peace
I'm curious, how do you get Internet? Through your phone?
 

PaulThomson

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Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?
If any man sins, go and speak to him personally first. Nathan went to David and prophetically challenged his sin. Make an appointment with your representatives and point out their corruption to them, or encourage the good ones by thanking them for their justice and faithfulness and honesty.
 

Publican

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Wow! Like John the Baptist. The closest I came to doing that was camping out with the Boy Scouts.
I should have spent more time in the scouts, still tie a horrible knot.
 

sawdust

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This is a ridiculous comment.
But your hopes have been fulfilled.
I live completely off grid. I'm actually sitting here in my insulated coveralls pondering if its too late in the day to tear town my heater and get it running again. Looks like tomorrow. I haven't taken a dime from Uncle Scam in maybe twenty years, and when I'm eligible for SS, I won't draw it. I don't go to doctors or watch television either, or listen to the radio, and I haven't since about 1990. Dentists have been unavoidable, but I pay cash. No Medicare etc. I drive into town about once a month, but I'm pretty sure the gas taxes covered any obligations I have there. Are you happy now? Have I fulfilled enough of your arbitrary demands to relinquish my civic duties? Or are there some additional forms or something I need to submit? My kingdom, His Kingdom, is not of this world. Its a pretty basic biblical concept.
peace
So you're all about serving yourself?

Who pays for your Defence Force or Police Force?

All your self justification does not excuse your responsibilities to your countrymen or your country.

You get the government you vote for or fail to vote for.
 
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I was making that case.
Man proposes, God disposes.
Now if there was someone worth voting for... Nah, can't do it. Goes against everything I believe in. But your mileage may vary. Let me know how it all worked out after the selection.
No, God proposes (DT 30:19) and man cooperates--or not!
So you're all about serving yourself?

Who pays for your Defence Force or Police Force?

All your self justification does not excuse your responsibilities to your countrymen or your country.

You get the government you vote for or fail to vote for.
Yes, or fail to vote against. I fear that my brother (who seems to think that Trump's sins that affected him are worse than the Dem's sins that affect millions) and my best friend (who thinks that temporal government does not matter but only being in Christ's kingdom) may be like Esau (who did not view his birthright as a blessing from God and so traded it for immediate gratification), but unfortunately the Dems will force us to be cursed with Marxist-Fascism.

Could Trump be the one who "is taken out of the way" before "the lawless one will be revealed", who does "every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing... because they refused to love the truth and so be saved"? (2THS 2:7-10)
 

ResidentAlien

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Politics is inseparable from religion. The more politics falls in line with God the more that nation or polity will be blessed. The more against God a nation or polity becomes the more they will be cursed until they reach the point of no return and are only worth being destroyed. Thus it has ever been.
You're under the same false notion that most Christian nationalists are under. The idea that all we have to do is change the laws and presto, all is right with the world again. God blesses the nation whose people have good hearts and obey Him. Israel had all the Godly laws on the books but their hearts weren't right; look what happened to them.
 
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You're under the same false notion that most Christian nationalists are under. The idea that all we have to do is change the laws and presto, all is right with the world again. God blesses the nation whose people have good hearts and obey Him. Israel had all the Godly laws on the books but their hearts weren't right; look what happened to them.
There may be people who have that false notion, but there is nothing in SonJudgment's quote that indicates he is such, so you are slinging arrows at a strawman. He did not say that "all we have to do is change the laws and all will be right with the world." Instead, he said "the closer laws agree with God the more those who obey those laws will be blessed".

And what is God's law? "Love the Lord your God with all your heart... and love your neighbor as yourself." (MT 2:37&39)
 

SonJudgment

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You're under the same false notion that most Christian nationalists are under. The idea that all we have to do is change the laws and presto, all is right with the world again. God blesses the nation whose people have good hearts and obey Him. Israel had all the Godly laws on the books but their hearts weren't right; look what happened to them.
Well I'm not even sure if there really is such a thing as Christian Nationalists or whether it's just a term the ungodly secularists made up to try to defend their own wicked ideological religion. I sure have never met anyone online or offline that describes themselves as a Christian Nationalist but I see the term used alot by the certain enemies of God to try to justify why their shameful generations are incredibly wicked and why they eschew to repent themselves and their society, and why they want to maintain their unjust laws to codify their evil customs that led them into ruination in the first place. That said I do actually agree to a degree with you about how just changing the laws is not enough and that the public must become Christian and change their hearts and repent. After all politics isn't just about laws, but encompasses all to do with a polity. It is for certain that governments are listed as a gift of the Spirit, and politics is perhaps the most visible sphere where one can see the battle between the forces of Satan and God. Therefore it is never wise to abandon such an important sphere to Satan and his children. We don't live in a evil time era for no reason, the generations of today didn't become infamously shameful in a vacuum, their governments didn't get overrun by evil overnight. They slipped and slid very far for decades and they earned their curses and their shame. If they repent they will earn their blessings and their mercy. Indeed restoring the government to God is only a first step, the real effort is actually changing the public-at-large, and it is perhaps too late for many of these nations. Yet this is the challenge of our time and probably the last chance these wicked generations will get.
 

Aaron56

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Without exception, whenever a state or country adopts theocratic governance, that state or country becomes bankrupt: morally and economically.

"And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled."

For the U.S., voters have a clear choice between the Harlot or the Beast. Ironically, the man represents the Harlot and the woman the Beast.

If Trump wins, it just means that more of the religious system (including the Evangelical, Roman, Historical, etc. churches) will be drawn into the net for destruction.

If Kamala wins, it just means that the horns of the Beast will increase their campaign against everything that remotely represents God and Christ.

“These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me."

This is happening in our time. Of course, the apostles suffered persecution at the hand of their fellow Jews because of their devotion to Christ.

Right-wing Christians, today, when you tell them that you know Trump is the basest of men; void of godly character and values: will look on you with disgust AND/OR suggest you are "letting evil win" by not supporting the man.

Jesus told us this would be so...

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire."

Republicans are doing this now. All in support of the Harlot: a religious system that will rule over all men.
 

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For most, voting for Trump simply means they prefer lower taxes, cheaper prices, less wars, legal immigration, and accountable and constitutional governance.
 
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For most, voting for Trump simply means they prefer lower taxes, cheaper prices, less wars, legal immigration, and accountable and constitutional governance.
Yes, and they realize that Trump’s sins affected few, whereas the sins of Marxists has caused trafficking, drug abuse, rapes, and murders of millions.
 
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For most, voting for Trump simply means they prefer lower taxes, cheaper prices, less wars, legal immigration, and accountable and constitutional governance.
Yes, and they realize that Trump’s sins affected few, whereas the sins of Marxists has caused trafficking, drug abuse, rapes, and murders of millions.
 

Cameron143

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Yes, and they realize that Trump’s sins affected few, whereas the sins of Marxists has caused trafficking, drug abuse, rapes, and murders of millions.
My point is that for much of the electorate, voting isn't a moral exercise. They are merely voting their self-interest.
 
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My point is that for much of the electorate, voting isn't a moral exercise. They are merely voting their self-interest.
Well, if they think not resisting the demonic Dem destruction of our Constitutional Republic is in their self interest I think they’re either nuts, foolish or perverted!
 

Cameron143

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Well, if they think not resisting the demonic Dem destruction of our Constitutional Republic is in their self interest I think they’re either nuts, foolish or perverted!
People, especially those who aren't saved, often work towards their own destruction.
 
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Normally I would say "no", but these days not voting against the Marxist Dems risks abetting their subjugation of our country so that we will no longer be able to vote or practice Christian values.
It would be one thing if the policies being promoted are all anti-Biblical, if both parties are extremely anti-God. But that isn't the case and I'm not going to pretend it is. I still see many good policies to vote for that align with the Bible of at most isn't hostile to it.
 
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It would be one thing if the policies being promoted are all anti-Biblical, if both parties are extremely anti-God. But that isn't the case and I'm not going to pretend it is. I still see many good policies to vote for that align with the Bible of at most isn't hostile to it.
As I heard someone say on the Charlie Kirk Show just now: We may not have Jesus on the ballot, but we have Jezebel!