The hatred of Jews

[HeIsHere]

I know an actual highly over used term "anti-semite."

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Just like the folks you defend, somehow you forget it was you who precipitated this.
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Oh, me discussing with you gave you the right to talk to me like I'm an idiot. So I can do the same in return I imagine.

As history will show I give everyone the same benefit of the doubt and olive branch at the beginning of an exchange until their spirit is quickly revealed. So have at it. It bothers me none. I know who I'm speaking with.

Yeah that tact isn't gonna work with me either. You're the one that has talked about intense hate for a people. Don't act like I'm the person with the issue here. You need to repent of that hate, and fast.

You bought up October 7th. Listen, are you going to respond to my response posts to your supposed scriptural proofs rather than this back-and-forth?

I respond to what you say. When you say Israel slaughtered their own people on Oct 7 because they are demonic, that comes from hate. I showed where the article was taken out of context. In fact, common sense would tell you different. smh

Which would you like to see? I'll posts all the links you want to see that they're showing me. I'll go down the entire list if you want.

The NBC one is 2024, what's happening now. Show me in the top five of those stories where the mainstream news is reporting it. You can't. So again, if it was such a big story, I'm just asking why there was no reporting on it.

Regurgitated talking point. Would you like me to share proof that everyone including Jewish people called it Palestine and the people Palestinians? Even Golda Meir said she was a Palestinian.

Golda said this ..."There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist

We can skip this. I know the history. She wasn't wrong. They were Arabs. Next discussion.

Statements like this are what compel me to walk out the logic step by step. What makes them terrorists and 1933 Germans demonic? Wasn't it stuff they...DID?

Israel has sought peace, given land for peace, what have Hamas and Palestinians done to try and bring peace???

It wasn't for "the heck of it" it was for several purposes. To even have such a directive is beyond the pale don't you think? And we're talking broadly about what they're doing to innocent people. Even right now, hundreds of innocent people are being obliterated. And yet you would say "Well they told them to leave. They warned them to get away! See! They're moral!"

YES! When you give the enemy a chance to escape, it's MORAL !! Is Putin doing that??!! Any other country in the world doing that? No!! Israel wants the guilty not the innocent. If they were "terrorists/ demonic" like you claim they wouldn't TELL THE ENEMY THEY ARE COMING AND WHERE THEY WILL STRIKE!!!!

Imagine for a moment you're not a wealthy and privileged American (I assume) who can't just up and travel whenever you want...and even the poorest of us are far more wealthy than they are. Imagine being old or sickly or with child or with a bunch of children and suddenly being told you have to leave where you live because jets are on their way; tanks are on their way. And not just clear out of the area you're in for a moment but pack up your entire life somehow in a short time.

And then if you even manage to flee in time, when you get to the place you were told to go to, imagine they say you have to leave that place to move on to another place. You're not driving a car because they bomb cars. You're walking. With EVERYTHING you've got (trying to). Now imagine while you're trying to comply they just drop bombs on you anyhow ripping you and your children apart.

It's utterly ridiculous that I even have to spell this out.

You're right it's ridiculous!! It's called a war. People say " war is hell" for a reason. If Hamas didn't want a war they shouldn't have slaughtered a thousand Jewish people and took 100 hostages. They are the ones to blame, period!!
You act like you've never heard of war before! Putin isn't telling anyone to get out, or where he's going to hit. He's not giving anyone a chance to escape. It's a war!! Which would stop today if they would let the hostages go. It's not Israel, the blood is on Hamas and anyone that supports them.

I do pray each day with tears in my eyes to The Almighty in the name of The Messiah, the Holy One, that judgment falls on these evil people for what they're doing and that the innocent are saved. And I pray for His speedy return.
It is the Spirit of Almighty to love what He loves and to hate what He hates.

You may call yourself Yahshua, but you aren't God. You are told to love and pray for your enemies.

Yes, you've said those words a lot: unconditional and everlasting, despite showing you scripture that there were conditions.

Like talking to a stone. smh There was more than one covenant. Some has conditions some didn't. Abrahamic covenant didn't!

Sounds like projection. "Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've carpet-bombed little children playing atop rubble for the 100th time?? Clearly, it was another accident that needs to be investigated by themselves...and we're not going to stay on them. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll do a thorough investigation against themselves."
"Why don't we give them graceeee even though they've completely cut off humanitarian aid to both access points into the strip?? Clearly, they don't mean to starve the entire populace like they've been doing for an entire year...let's give them another whole month to stop it."

No, I can't do that. All they need to do is stop and then I'll stop. But they won't stop. They have no intentions to.

No, I got it, you made your hate plain. You have mercy for the actual terrorists, then say Israel brought it on themselves, no actually they did it to themselves you say. Makes perfect sense. This is war, Hamas can stop it today, this very second. All the blood is on their hands.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I know an actual highly over used term "anti-semite."

When someone makes their hate plain, that's the term used. Like I said, it isn't Jews in the streets screaming for genocide. You don't want that term used, don't try to re-write history, don't say the Jews are to blame for everything, don't use tropes and debunked conspiracy theories.

 

[HeIsHere]

When someone makes their hate plain, that's the term used. Like I said, it isn't Jews in the streets screaming for genocide. You don't want that term used, don't try to re-write history, don't say the Jews are to blame for everything, don't use tropes and debunked conspiracy theories.

Yes well, the IDF and the state is actually committing genocide.

You do know people in Israel are protesting against their government.

I think when young children are dead from sniper bullets along with all the other reported, documented atrocities there is no escaping this truth.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes well, the IDF and the state is actually committing genocide.

You do know people in Israel are protesting against their government.

I think when young children are dead from sniper bullets along with all the other reported, documented atrocities there is no escaping this truth.

Well, when this ends and Israel is punished for war crimes, you'll be right. Time will tell.

 

[Magenta]

Ben Shapiro EXPOSES Anti-Israel Student Who Would Give Hamas IMMUNITY!

 

[Moses_Young]

Well, when this ends and Israel is punished for war crimes, you'll be right. Time will tell.

Sometimes, there is no justice in this life. It has to wait for God's judgement in the next. But just because justice has to wait doesn't mean the acts of evildoers are upright or righteous. That kind of thinking is what the prosperity gospel heresy is based upon.

Ironically, it was this "might is right" type of thinking that permitted the Nazis ill-treatment of Jews and other people, which you claim to detest most strongly.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Ironically, it was this "might is right" type of thinking that permitted the Nazis ill-treatment of Jews and other people, which you claim to detest most strongly.

You don't know me personally, you're calling me a liar doesn't mean much in the scheme of things. Israel was attacked on Oct 7. Eyewitness testimony of children slaughtered in front of parents, parents in front of children. What was done to them was horrific and cruel. Trauma that these children will never recover from. I can understand wanting the enemy to feel the same pain, to do to them as they have done to you. And yet, Israel has restrained from exacting revenge. Now you all can continue to be as obtuse as you want to be. But this is the last time I'm going to repeat it. You don't warn your enemy you are coming and give them a chance to get out of Dodge. Russia isn't doing it, America didn't do it, no country has done it. Israel doesn't target civilians, but you could see why they would want to inflict the same pain. But the fact that there are civilians that have died in this war, that's on Hamas' and their supporters heads, the blood is on their hands. To think that murdering Israels children in a cold blood sneak attack wouldn't get a response was foolish on their part. Actually it should be their own people out for their blood, they brought all this down on their heads.

 

[Moses_Young]

You don't know me personally, you're calling me a liar doesn't mean much in the scheme of things.

My post didn't claim you were a liar, nor that I knew you personally. In your posts, you have had some very strong words to say against Hitler and the Nazis (who likely would have described your words as hateful), and justifiably so. Yet now you are supporting those who did exactly what Hitler and his Nazis were doing, and worse, you are using the same justifications Hitlers and his Nazis used.

I repeat your quote again.

Well, when this ends and Israel is punished for war crimes, you'll be right. Time will tell.

Whether "Israel" or the criminals are punished for war crimes is unrelated to whether war crimes were committed. Ultimately, all sin will be judged by God, and that should be our measure, not if criminals can get away with their crimes in this life.

Israel was attacked on Oct 7. Eyewitness testimony of children slaughtered in front of parents, parents in front of children. What was done to them was horrific and cruel. Trauma that these children will never recover from. I can understand wanting the enemy to feel the same pain, to do to them as they have done to you. And yet, Israel has restrained from exacting revenge. Now you all can continue to be as obtuse as you want to be. But this is the last time I'm going to repeat it. You don't warn your enemy you are coming and give them a chance to get out of Dodge. Russia isn't doing it, America didn't do it, no country has done it. Israel doesn't target civilians, but you could see why they would want to inflict the same pain. But the fact that there are civilians that have died in this war, that's on Hamas' and their supporters heads, the blood is on their hands. To think that murdering Israels children in a cold blood sneak attack wouldn't get a response was foolish on their part. Actually it should be their own people out for their blood, they brought all this down on their heads.

I disagree with your hero worship of the Rothschild state of Israel in this statement, but irrespective, it has nothing to do with what I posted, or what you posted previously.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I disagree with your hero worship of the Rothschild state of Israel .

Worship? Where?

 

[HeIsHere]

Yet now you are supporting those who did exactly what Hitler and his Nazis were doing, and worse, you are using the same justifications Hitlers and his Nazis used.

Yup, how dare the IDF be held accountable after is was learned that some prisoners had been r*ped/s*d**zed with objects to the point of requiring medical treatment, far right wing members of the Knesset were outraged, some even protested that the soldiers would be reprimanded, apparently they feel it is their god given right to s**ually torture prisoners.

Jul 30, 2024 #idf #netanyahu #news
Following the story of IDF soldiers severely Abusing and R*ping a detainee, the Israeli Ministry got into an argument about the event. Netanyahu's party not only says this crime is okay and to free the soldiers, but that Everything is okay to do to these soldiers under all circumstances.
Link

 

[HeIsHere]

Well, when this ends and Israel is punished for war crimes, you'll be right. Time will tell.

How is exactly that going to happen, brush up on your understanding of the UN Security Council.

Oh right, they have god's protection ... it is miraculous!!

Truly, I am absolutely sure it has nothing to do with the approx 300 billion dollars they have received, just a miracle I say, is the USA

being bled dry, well yes and no, it is all good they can just get the computers to infuse more money onto the spreadsheets and carry on

the war machine needs to be fed.

 

[HeIsHere]

I disagree with your hero worship of the Rothschild state of Israel in this statement, but irrespective, it has nothing to do with what I posted, or what you posted previously.

I often wonder what it feels like to defend the murder of innocent children en masse, 15 000 if not more, based on a faulty "Haggeen" understanding of scripture.

The constant blather that 1948 was fulfilled prophecy by necessity demands that Israel is exceptional, above reproach and whatever it does is acceptable because it is ordained by God.

 

[HeIsHere]

Wow, listening to "supposed" big brain Ben, he is so disingenuous and relies heavily on rhetorical tactics... too bad Noam Chomsky is too old now to debate him, Chomsky would mop the floor with Ben because he is an actual real big brain.

If Ben were to debate someone like Chomsky or someone of his caliber, which has been offered to little Ben..... but alas he will not do it because he would be embarrassed to the point of being publicly ridiculed.

Yikes!! that might affect the income stream.
What he did to Candace Owens already had an impact on his cult following it might be a risky move.
Yes, best Ben stay within his comfort level of college freshman.

 

[GaryA]

Straw man is a highly over used term and usually in the wrong context.

And/However, I used it correctly in a/the right context.

Well, Jews are a race, and so far that is who we have been talking about.

The word 'Jew' has become very "loose" in definition over time - still, I know what you mean to say; however...

It may be correctly said that Hebrews are a race - but, a 'Jew' is so named because of the religious belief they hold.

Hence, "Jews" does not describe a race; rather, it describes a religious group. It is quite often misused to depict a 'race'.

Like I said before - if all of you will iron out the definitions first, it will help reduce much misunderstanding in the discussion.

They have to have a land to come back to! 48 fulfilled that.

No they do not! No it did not!

God/Jesus is going to take it away from those who now control it and "hand it to them on a silver platter" - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.

They will have the land back - all of it - when God/Jesus gives it [all] to them ("all together at once") - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.

In biblical terms, Israel does/will not become a nation before God/Jesus "ordains it" upon the fulfillment of the dry bones prophecy - at/after the Second Coming of Christ - and not before!

When are you going to understand this?????

I am not saying that there is no Israel-as-a-nation today - there certainly is - by a modern-day "political" definition - however - in biblical [prophecy] terms - Israel-as-a-nation (again) does not exist yet - and will not until after the return of Christ - it is that simple - according to biblical prophecy.

The Israel of today was/is not "ordained" by God like you think.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

And/However, I used it correctly in a/the right context.

That's your opinion, I'll leave you to it.

The word 'Jew' has become very "loose" in definition over time - still, I know what you mean to say; however...

It may be correctly said that Hebrews are a race - but, a 'Jew' is so named because of the religious belief they hold.

Hence, "Jews" does not describe a race; rather, it describes a religious group. It is quite often misused to depict a 'race'.

Like I said before - if all of you will iron out the definitions first, it will help reduce much misunderstanding in the discussion.

Oxford Dictionary

A Jew is - A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism.

Someone who comes from the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

A person who believes in and practices Judaism.

A person related by birth to the ancient people of Israel.

It is both a race and a religion. We already had that discussion when Whoopi Goldberg made her comments.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No they do not! No it did not!

God/Jesus is going to take it away from those who now control it and "hand it to them on a silver platter" - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.

They will have the land back - all of it - when God/Jesus gives it [all] to them ("all together at once") - at/after the Second Coming of Christ.

In biblical terms, Israel does/will not become a nation before God/Jesus "ordains it" upon the fulfillment of the dry bones prophecy - at/after the Second Coming of Christ - and not before!

When are you going to understand this?????

I am not saying that there is no Israel-as-a-nation today - there certainly is - by a modern-day "political" definition - however - in biblical [prophecy] terms - Israel-as-a-nation (again) does not exist yet - and will not until after the return of Christ - it is that simple - according to biblical prophecy.

The Israel of today was/is not "ordained" by God like you think.

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-regathering-of-israel/

 

[Moses_Young]

That's your opinion, I'll leave you to it.




Oxford Dictionary

A Jew is - A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism.

Someone who comes from the ancient Hebrew people of Israel.

A person who believes in and practices Judaism.

A person related by birth to the ancient people of Israel.

It is both a race and a religion. We already had that discussion when Whoopi Goldberg made her comments.

So definitions 2 and 4 are completely different from definitions 1 and 3, and none of the definitions have anything to do with the Rothschild state of Israel. Are you going to nail down one of these definitions of Jew for us, so we (or at least I) can use the term in a way which you won't accuse me of anti-Semitism when I use it? Also, are you going to outline a link (if any) between one of the above definitions and the Rothschild state, given the oft-repeated claim (I'm not sure if by you) that highlighting the crimes of this state is anti-Semitism or anti-God?

 

[HeIsHere]

From
https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-regathering-of-israel/

1) "But because of her great sin, the fulfillment of this covenant was postponed

Umm is this in scripture this "greeaattt 2000+ years" postponement?
Fail

2) How could the Antichrist break the covenant and desecrate the Temple in the middle of the Tribulation period, except a Temple be built by Israel before that time?

There is nothing holy in the temple to desecrate, the curtain was ripped and the "Holy of Holies" is no more.
Christians are the temple.
So another fail
Oh right they are changing the DNA .. that is just a stretch again trying to make it fit something the scripture does not state.

3) Thus, there is a day yet future when God will fulfill completely the covenant He made with Abraham.

Well this is what happens when you do not read the Old Testament in light of the New Testament.

Oops see how seeds becomes one.
Third Fail.

Galatians 3:16: Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Romans 4:13: “For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world (cosmos) was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.”

The promise was never intended for the physical descendants of Abraham — but the spiritual descendants. Those who are putting their faith in the Deliverer.

 

[GaryA]

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-regathering-of-israel/

From the article:

The second regathering is prophesied in Deuteronomy 30:1–6 and Isaiah 41:8–20.

Therefore, the second regathering must immediately precede the Messiah’s Second Coming.

Isaiah states that Israel will make “a covenant with death, and with sheol” (v. 15).

The Isaiah 41 passage has a post-gathering context - and, is therefore inconsequential.

Deuteronomy 30:

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Please note that the 'regathering' is contingent on the occurrence of the 'return' in verse 2 - before the gathering even begins to take place.

As I have indicated before, it will occur after the Second Coming of Christ and not before.

Isaiah 28:

14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. 17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. 18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

These verses are not speaking to 'Israel'; rather, they are speaking to "those who claim to be Jews but are not" - in essence - the Illuminati - who have "made deals with the devil" - and, "a covenant with death" - and, are "in agreement with hell"...

The "foundation stone" is Jesus.