who wrote Romans?

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Mar 18, 2011
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Just curious, the title of Romans clearly says its an epistle of Paul, but what is with 16:22?

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

(also I feel it is necessary that I include that in no way is this an attack on the scriptures, I would just like some clarification)
 
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Scotth1960

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Just curious, the title of Romans clearly says its an epistle of Paul, but what is with 16:22?

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

(also I feel it is necessary that I include that in no way is this an attack on the scriptures, I would just like some clarification)
Deadtosin, I don't know. Tertius could have been St. Paul's scribe who wrote down what Paul said.
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Thanks Scott, that is a definite possibility. I thought about that as well, but part of me keeps thinking that Paul was by far a learned scholar, growing up in Tarsus, he was in no need of a scribe. However who knows, on that day he may have been ill.
thanks for the response :)
 
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Just curious, the title of Romans clearly says its an epistle of Paul, but what is with 16:22?

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,


16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

(also I feel it is necessary that I include that in no way is this an attack on the scriptures, I would just like some clarification)

Wow, thx I had never noticed that before,
 
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Slepsog4

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Paul obviously used dictation
 
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triplet347

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Tertius was the secretary who wrote the letter at the dictation of Paul. I've found this in other sources. It seems to be common knowledge among biblical scholars.

God bless,
 
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jimmydiggs

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Triplet347 is correct.

Tektonics said:
The activity of secretaries is elsewhere intimated in the NT, especially in the letters of Paul. It was apparently Paul's custom to dictate his letters to a secretary. The 'oral style' of the letters is only one indication of this. In Rom 16:22, one Tertius expressly designates himself as the transcriber of the letter. Paul's practice in other letters of adding greetings (1 Cor 16:21, 2 Thess 3:17, Col 4:18), an asseveration (Phlm 19), and a summary statement (Gal 6:11-18) in his own handwriting implies that the letters themselves were written at the hands of amanuenses who transcribed at Paul's dictation. Indeed, 2 Thess 3:17 claims that Paul's appended greeting, written in his own hand, was a "sign" or "mark" employed in each of his letters. This practice suggests that these letters were normally in the handwriting of a secretary. A similar use of an amanuensis is also indicated by 1 Pet 5:12. In dictating his letters to a secretary, Paul was following a well-established practice in antiquity. Many papyrus letters preserved from the period were written in the hand of a secretary, with the final greeting or other closing matter written in the hand of the sender. In addition, classical literature often attests the use of a secretary. Cicero, a prolific letter writer, often dictated letters to his secretary, Tiro, and frequently alluded to this practice. Plutarch mentions it for Caesar (Vit. Caes. 17.3), Pliny the Younger mentions it for his uncle (Ep. 3.5, 9.36), and Quintilian objects to its widespread use (Inst. 10,3,19) [ABD (s.v. "amaneunsis")]
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Tertius = wrote
Paul = Author/dictate


If I understand this accurately.
 
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triplet347

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Jimmydiggs,

I noticed in your tag line you compare CCC 841 to John 14:6 and 1 John 2:23. You are taking CCC 841 out of context and what the Catholic Church is saying there is in no way contradicting the Holy Scriptures. Could you explicate how you came to your conclusion? I'm interested.

God bless,
 
Aug 25, 2011
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Tertius was the secretary who wrote the letter at the dictation of Paul. I've found this in other sources. It seems to be common knowledge among biblical scholars.

God bless,
Thanks man
 
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Jimmydiggs,

Thanks. I found it already by accident. I thought the person you were dialoging with answered it adequately. You are still taking it from the CCC out of context.
 
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Jimmydiggs,

Thanks. I found it already by accident. I thought the person you were dialoging with answered it adequately. You are still taking it from the CCC out of context.
hmm ok thx