Understanding God’s election

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ChristRoseFromTheDead

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Genez said:


"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."​

Romans 7:18a​


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The idea that flesh, ie physical substance, is evil is a gnostic idea. God called everything he made good and called man very good. That didn't change after Adam's fall.

Do you understand the concept of relational goodness? Compared to God, the father, nothing created of itself is good. Jesus' flesh was created.

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:18-19​
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There is nothing in the flesh, Jesus' included, that knows how to do the will of God. Therefore it is not good in terms of righteousness. Righteousness comes from the spirit, even for Jesus. Therefore, man walks righteously by following the spirit, not the impulses of the flesh
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
One more time

Eph 2: 8
8 For by grace you have been saved

Prety self explanitory. I have been saved solely by the grace of God

through faith,

But God will not force it on me. It is recieved through faith.


and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Again, prety self explanatory. The grace that saved me through me trusting him, is not of myself. and is not of works..

So why do you keep insisting that me recieving his grace gift negates grace? It is how we recieve grace.

the only other option is to reject it.

How do you reject grace?

1. Trying to work for it (not of works)
2. Outright rejection of it completely (Love your sin)
3. Denying you even need it (like the jews who denied Christ who came to save them)
and I am sure I can come up0 with other ways.
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When a person believes God only loves those He specifically chose and gave only those people the ability to "believe" is there really any common ground to build upon?
To me that is a different religion, not Christianity.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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HeIsHere said:
When a person believes God only loves those He specifically chose and gave only those people the ability to "believe" is there really any common ground to build upon?
To me that is a different religion, not Christianity.
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I am amazed at how special they make themselves out to be.. Yet deny it.

A bunch of Denial
 
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Genez

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The idea that flesh, ie physical substance, is evil is a gnostic idea.
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The only physical substance Paul was concerned about was the fallen human body.


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"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh." Rom 7:18a​
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At least In that area, the gnostics had more sense than you do.
For they knew it was true about the flesh!

The flesh depravity was not some gnostic idea the gnostics invented..
They simply recognized the reality and went about attempting to define it their own way.

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"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."​
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Paul copped a good number of Stoic terms and concepts, and turned them around to show the Stoics-thinking Romans,
that what they had tried to perfect by sheer willpower to force it into action, was now fulfilled by grace in Christ!

To the Romans he addressed?
It was a brilliant move on Paul's part!

In time, eternity shines through.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead

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Genez said:
The only physical substance Paul was concerned about was the fallen human body.


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"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh." Rom 7:18a​
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At least In that area, the gnostics had more sense than you do.
For they knew it was true about the flesh!

The flesh depravity was not some gnostic idea the gnostics invented..
They simply recognized the reality and went about attempting to define it their own way.

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"For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."​
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Paul copped a good number of Stoic terms and concepts, and turned them around to show the Stoics-thinking Romans,
that what they had tried to perfect by sheer willpower to force it into action, was now fulfilled by grace in Christ!

To the Romans he addressed?
It was a brilliant move on Paul's part!

In time, eternity shines through.
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You're reasoning and snarky comment fall flat. You insist that verse means flesh is bad, but don't have the sense to realize the same meaning applies to what Jesus said about himself not being good, ie, Jesus is evil. Address that, O thou snarky one.
 
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