You Will Endure!

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NetChaplain

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The most difficult thing Christians go through are the “temptations” they are to endure—and a Christian will endure every single one. Know that God uses everything—especially the trials, for the benefit of believers (Ro 8:28). This promise alone is enough to use to deal with the hardness from a trial, but God goes further, in that “God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it” (1Co 10:13.

No matter what the hardness, God will cause you to endure it, esp. when you don’t know how or what to feel, for His “grace is sufficient” (2Co 12:9); and trials are tests that will manifest whether or not one is reborn, so you will eventually know for certain. There are three promises here that God uses to take one through the difficulties that will “suffice.”

1. God doesn’t allow the trail to be beyond the believer’s ability to endure it. If one thinks it’s too much, then you have yet to believe and learn this lesson, but He will always take you through it anyway. 2. God “makes a way” we can endure it, but it requires the trust and faith to use it. It just requires being patient as possible while you are waiting for the resolution (Rom 12:12). 3. This promise is part of which one receives when waiting, even if you can’t learn patience in it yet, He will take you through it regardless. Our Father knows the extent of our ability, and keeps it within one’s level of maturity—so that you will “be able to bare it,” that is, the ability to deal with it. Again, it just requires patiently waiting on, and trusting God for the deliverance. Even if one doesn’t know what or how to think or feel concerning the difficulty, He will still deliver you through to its end; and you will learn something after the trial.

Often the trial involves the Enemy attempting to bring you to an agreement of guilt concerning something—when you fully know you have not intentionally sinned anywhere; or the trial might just involve a feeling of not caring about anything. Nothing means anything to you, even eating and sleeping, one is just empty—except for loving and trusting God for everything, which is the main purpose of the trails!

It’s my belief that believers learn most of God’s love through the trials, because these are the hardest times, which is like a fire, that burns away the doubt and leaves the faith; and a stronger faith at that, through every trial!

May the Father of all trials guide you to continue “to be conformed to the image of His Son;” (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18).
NC
 

jacko

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Here’s what I struggle with. Let’s say you’re going through a trial. The Bible says you will be victorious…. And that God will never leave you and He’ll stay with you and you’ll overcome., etc etc… but that overcoming doesn’t necessarily mean in our earthly lifetimes.
 

Cameron143

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Here’s what I struggle with. Let’s say you’re going through a trial. The Bible says you will be victorious…. And that God will never leave you and He’ll stay with you and you’ll overcome., etc etc… but that overcoming doesn’t necessarily mean in our earthly lifetimes.
How do you define overcome? What is to be overcome? The trial? Your desire to be free of it? Your ability to live in peace and joy in the midst of it?
 

NetChaplain

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Here’s what I struggle with. Let’s say you’re going through a trial. The Bible says you will be victorious…. And that God will never leave you and He’ll stay with you and you’ll overcome., etc etc… but that overcoming doesn’t necessarily mean in our earthly lifetimes.
Hi, and appreciate your reply! It's my understanding that there's nothing in this life that we will need in the next.
 

jacko

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Hi, and appreciate your reply! It's my understanding that there's nothing in this life that we will need in the next.

I totally understand but my point is we still need to get through this life… And there are many who are suffering, and fervently praying for their conditions to improve.
 

jacko

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What if God wants you to live with the thorn?
Since God can’t change, there’s only two outcomes one he changes the conditions or he changes our hearts and minds. Here’s where it gets tricky sometimes our conditions not only affect us but our families, so not only does he need to change MY heart and mind, but ALL of those affected by the thorn.
 

NetChaplain

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I totally understand but my point is we still need to get through this life… And there are many who are suffering, and fervently praying for their conditions to improve.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your post at #2.
 

jacko

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If I kill someone… God will forgive me if I repent… will my wife forgive me stay by my side if I have a life conviction? Will my kids forgive me for not being there. I might have forgiven myself but our sins have consequences beyond ourself.
 

Cameron143

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Since God can’t change, there’s only two outcomes one he changes the conditions or he changes our hearts and minds. Here’s where it gets tricky sometimes our conditions not only affect us but our families, so not only does he need to change MY heart and mind, but ALL of those affected by the thorn.
If you believe God to be good, then the residual effects of your thorn are also good. God is able to work out that which is good for your family as well. Perhaps God is sparing your children from future pain by dealing with potential dangers before they come to pass.
 

jacko

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If you believe God to be good, then the residual effects of your thorn are also good. God is able to work out that which is good for your family as well. Perhaps God is sparing your children from future pain by dealing with potential dangers before they come to pass.

I believe you and I believe God is good. And I believe God works out everything for his benefit. But here’s what I’m asking, Sometimes our suffering does not end up the way we think it will on earth because our reward is not on earth but in heaven, right?
 

jacko

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Basically, we might be asked to suffer until we die, or if you prefer to use The term endure
 

jacko

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People get cancer and get a terminal disease all the time… This happens every day and they endure, and they have faith, but they reward for their faith and endurance is in heaven, not on earth
 

Cameron143

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I believe you and I believe God is good. And I believe God works out everything for his benefit. But here’s what I’m asking, Sometimes our suffering does not end up the way we think it will on earth because our reward is not on earth but in heaven, right?
What I'm suggesting is that there is a way to live in what is once considered trial in great peace and joy. What is the cause of your hardship? The hardship itself or your attitude concerning the hardship?
Put another way, which is better: the idea of security based on earthly resources, or security based on the promise that God is your provider? The answer is the 2nd, but the flesh prefers the first. But there is tremendous peace and joy to be found in the second that cannot be discovered to you while you cling to the first. And what seems so difficult in the present will abound to great joy one day. Like Paul, you will gladly say...most gladly therefore will I glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may dwell upon me...
 

jacko

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What I'm suggesting is that there is a way to live in what is once considered trial in great peace and joy. What is the cause of your hardship? The hardship itself or your attitude concerning the hardship?
Put another way, which is better: the idea of security based on earthly resources, or security based on the promise that God is your provider? The answer is the 2nd, but the flesh prefers the first. But there is tremendous peace and joy to be found in the second that cannot be discovered to you while you cling to the first. And what seems so difficult in the present will abound to great joy one day. Like Paul, you will gladly say...most gladly therefore will I glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may dwell upon me...

My brother, I understand what you are saying, but try and understand what I'm saying.
We feel what we feel, like I can't fake it. If I'm anxious or stressed out because of my circumstance, then I am.

Paul was able to rejoice in the mist of this circumstance, but I am not Paul... I'm me, like you are you. Now that doesn't mean I give up, but this is reality my friend. We do the best we can, and we pray. If it were so simple, then Christians would the most joyful, peaceful people in America.. is that we you see in reality? The Christian divorce rate is still 25%.
 

Cameron143

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My brother, I understand what you are saying, but try and understand what I'm saying.
We feel what we feel, like I can't fake it. If I'm anxious or stressed out because of my circumstance, then I am.

Paul was able to rejoice in the mist of this circumstance, but I am not Paul... I'm me, like you are you. Now that doesn't mean I give up, but this is reality my friend. We do the best we can, and we pray. If it were so simple, then Christians would the most joyful people in America.. is that we you see in reality?
I do understand, and my heart breaks for you and your family. I'm simply trying to help you move forward as quickly as possible. How we choose to understand and perceive things goes a long way in how we experience them. A glass that is filled to the middle is both half empty and half full. What do you see?
 

jacko

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I do understand, and my heart breaks for you and your family. I'm simply trying to help you move forward as quickly as possible. How we choose to understand and perceive things goes a long way in how we experience them. A glass that is filled to the middle is both half empty and half full. What do you see?
Thanks man, you are a good dude.