Amillennialism

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Huh??
Every true believer had a beginning of being born again. We are born again by believing in Christ. And by Repentence. God is near the brokenhearted and saves those who have a contrite spirit.
what's your reading of millennialism.(Rev 20)?
your own.
not some other teacher.
 

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If you are getting tiresome, make the decision and get on the right side of the scriptures. On that side you will have righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit and you won't ever have to deal wth being double-minded ever again. See how good that can be for you. Oh, I hope you do.
what a joke.
you're not getting your theology (Plan B Church) or eschatology (pretrib + millennium) from the scriptures.

the irony is, we all know it.

and you lost all credibility with me as a preacher of grace and tolerance as soon i saw you go into panic mode and start slamming gentlemen like mike and fes. because your false doctrine is up on the table again.

UP NEXT: THE ANTICHRISTIAN CULT OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM.
its connection to millennialism, and pretribulation rapture.
 
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2. Scripture says our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the heavenles. Satan is still in control.
Satan is allowed by God to operate in this world. He is certainly not 'in control'.

God is in control.
 
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Amill seems to be the only option that lets the near/soon/at hand language of revelation exist if you're going to take those as literal and written to its original hearers.
 
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1. Satan is NOT SHUT UP. He can still speak.
2. Scripture says our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the heavenles. Satan is still in control.
3. When satan is bound. He will have zero power. zero influence. and zero contact which his army. He will be SHUT UP
Sorry, i have to disagree. When Christ died on the cross and was in <death> whatever that may be Jesus took the keys of hell and death from lucifer. Because hell/death could no longer hold Him. Lord God Almighty raised him from the dead, for all to see and believe His testimony. So NO! the devil ain't in control, he wants you to think he is but to trample him under foot all you have to say is Jesus!
 

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who do you think is the strong man mentioned below?

Mark 3

20 Then the multitude came together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread. 21 But when His own people heard about this, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebub,” and, “By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.”
23 So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. 27 No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house.

I believe Jesus bound Satan when He defeated him in the desert. Satan was bound but he still had strongholds in the mind of people and still had demons loose to deceive people. Satan is NOT the only one named as a deceiver and the Bible says the SPIRITS of AntiChrists.

Satan is NOT God and can NOT be everywhere at once and his demons are not completely under his control because they do not all worship him but obey out of fear, like a bully that coerces or bribes others into doing his will.
he wasn't bound in the wilderness.
but in any case,
when did you come to decide satan is currently bound ananda?
 

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Wasn't God's covenant finshed when Christ said it is finished on the cross and He died went to hell got the keys to hell and death and rose the third day. This being affirmed by many died saints riseing from the dead. And raised all up in Abraham's Bosum.
Jesus is the fulfillment of all the Covenants.

the Bible the story of God dealing with His people through a series of Covenants.
it is NOT about Him dealing with man in different dispensations.
 
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Sorry, i have to disagree. When Christ died on the cross and was in <death> whatever that may be Jesus took the keys of hell and death from lucifer. Because hell/death could no longer hold Him. Lord God Almighty raised him from the dead, for all to see and believe His testimony. So NO! the devil ain't in control, he wants you to think he is but to trample him under foot all you have to say is Jesus!
So in a way...Satan in bound...right Fency?
 

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Amill seems to be the only option that lets the near/soon/at hand language of revelation exist if you're going to take those as literal and written to its original hearers.

exactly Still.
and the seeing the OT prophets did works exactly the same way.
that's why AMILLENNIALISM and COVENANT THEOLOGY go together - The TRUE foundation.

and isn't it clear and beautiful?
 

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Sorry, i have to disagree. When Christ died on the cross and was in <death> whatever that may be Jesus took the keys of hell and death from lucifer. Because hell/death could no longer hold Him. Lord God Almighty raised him from the dead, for all to see and believe His testimony. So NO! the devil ain't in control, he wants you to think he is but to trample him under foot all you have to say is Jesus!
satan is bound, even now according to Paul 2 thess 2
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Satan is allowed by God to operate in this world. He is certainly not 'in control'.

God is in control.
When someone is bound and said to be SHUT UP. They are not allowed to do ANYTHING. It does not matter if he is in control or not. What matters is he can still speak. and cause mayham, and destroy Christians (I have seen a few taken down by him)!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Amill seems to be the only option that lets the near/soon/at hand language of revelation exist if you're going to take those as literal and written to its original hearers.
I disagree. AMil causes one to symbolism prophesy. and not take it literally. That is why in all my studies, Amill has been found to have the LEAST scriptural support. I have seen nothing in the past few weeks which would change my mind. in fact if nothing else. I have grown my sure in premillenialsim.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So in your millenial kingdom there will be no sinners at all?

Correct?

do we need satan to have sinners?
Sorry I don't buy into the satan made me do it crap! Satan can not make anyone do anything. People sin quite well on their own


 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sorry, i have to disagree. When Christ died on the cross and was in <death> whatever that may be Jesus took the keys of hell and death from lucifer. Because hell/death could no longer hold Him. Lord God Almighty raised him from the dead, for all to see and believe His testimony. So NO! the devil ain't in control, he wants you to think he is but to trample him under foot all you have to say is Jesus!
Yep. I am sure Hitler. Musolini and all the many many anti God, anti anything good people who have been influenced by satan believed that to. Not to mention the many many countries in which the church is under sever persecution. even to the point of even admiting your a Christian imposes an automatic death penalty. Yep. Satan has no power (rolls eyes)

No one has control of your life (unless you are under a dictatorship) Yet people follow others in a world of sin all the time. People may be empowered to not listen to satan. does not mean they will not. If satan was dead and had no control. there would be no more spiritual battles now would there?
 
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When someone is bound and said to be SHUT UP. They are not allowed to do ANYTHING. It does not matter if he is in control or not. What matters is he can still speak. and cause mayham, and destroy Christians (I have seen a few taken down by him)!
Luckily we dont use the definition of 'bound' according to EG but rather the bibles description.

.....which is bound from deceiving the nations and bringing them to battle against the saints.

BINDING:

(Revelation 20:3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

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UNBINDING:

(Revelation 20:7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

(Revelation 20:8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

(Revelation 20:9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am amazed at how many people who want to make satan like God. Satan is no more omnipresent than mary is. Mary can not hear me pray in the U.S. and a catholic pray in Europe because mary is not omnipresent.

Satan can not be tempting EG in the U.S. and tempting Stranglove wherever he is. because satain is limited to on place. He uses his army to do his dirty work. he gives them orders. like any commander of a military does.

Just like Gariel was stopped for a time to answer a prayer of Daniels. because he was held up. are we saying satan has more power then gabriel where he can be all places at once?

When satan is bound in the bottomless pit. he is not going to be able to leave that area, and speak to his demons, his army, or tempt anyone. He will have no command and control. he will be cut off, He is NOT GOD, He WILL BE SHUT UP