Amillennialism

[eternally-gratefull]

Huh? So satan...causes SOME sin...but leaves the rest up to us?

Can satan have agents (children) who tempt people to sin?

What? So if I go out and murder someone Satan made me do it? Then why am I Held accountbale if it is satans fault.

Do you think Satan is omniscient dude? Because unless he is. He could not do what your trying to claim he does

Is that possible?

Temptation comes from all placed. Stan can personally tempt us. His demonic army can tempt us. And our own flesh can tempt is with our with out satanic influence. But I have already provben this so it is a mute point/

Worldly desire is lust. Lust comes from temptation. Temptation comes from the devil and his children.

Ok. So ALL sin is caused by satan. Thanks (rolls eyes)

And you wonder why I could never come to your belief. This is just one of many reasons. I will remember this the next time one of my kids says satan made me do it

You mean this Paul:

(1 Thessalonians 3:5) For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

Who is the tempter?

What one example? WHo is it? I assume it is satan or one of his demons. Satan can not temp me and you at the same time. He is not going to waste his time on an induvidual (except people like peter or Job. WHo can really damage his plans. He goes after groups of people. and organization (churches) who can harm his effort to keep the world away from Christ.

You give him way to much credit.

Paul made it clear. His flesh causes him to sin. He can be tempted. But it is his flesh which must succumb to all temptation. whether the temptation be demonic or fleshly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Doesnt matter....whatever definition of nations you use...they havnt all been deceived and brought together to compass the camp of the saints and do battle against them.

lol how do you know? (As you say all the time)

Many nations have done massive battle with the saints. The roman nation killed and jailed many in the name of god and called it the church. One of satans masterpieces. Even around the world today. Many nations have christians who must live in secrecy because of the armies arained against them called the state.

We are lucky to be in a free nations. If we were like most nations. we would not be able to do what we are doing here for fear of death. And satan is bound?? Whatever

You keep hurting your case dude. Your pushing me farther and farther from even contemplated your belief.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First of all this was my answer to zone, not you...I find you rude and obnoxious and wont answer anymore of your posts except this one. I never claimed to be pre-trib...dont put words in my mouth. The kingdom of God is within us YES. Because His kingdom connects all believers through the Holy Spirit who happens to work through us and in us. You ignore what I point out as far as sequence of events is concerned because you just want to put your own puzzle pieces together to fit your own picture that you are Stuck with now. None of your theory makes sense nor is it scriptural. Read Rev. 19 and 20-21 again and lay aside your unreasonable doctrine, which is false.

He does not understand he is hurting his own cause with his sarcasm and using things which make absolutely no sense to back his claims. If anything. He is making my faith stronger.

 

[Fencepost]

He is not bound....binding of satan comes after the return of Christ. Read Rev. 19-20-21 over and over until this sinks in. dont get caught up in false doctrine. Satan is very much alive and kicking he aint going nowhere until Jesus returns.

<sidestep> 2timothy 2:8-10 HCSB "Keep in mind Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descended from David, according to my gospel. For this I suffer, to the point of being bound like a criminal; but God's message IS NOT BOUND. This is why I endure all things for the elect: so that they also obtain salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory."

 

[Abiding]

I just reread this whole thread...didnt see rude or obnoxious coming from one person more than the
other. Making personal style accusations isnt gona change the truth a bit. It will change the appearance
only.

 

[BlueLagoon]

I just reread this whole thread...didnt see rude or obnoxious coming from one person more than the
other. Making personal style accusations isnt gona change the truth a bit. It will change the appearance
only.

Abiding, I dont know you but if you want to support your friend's style in which he responds in MANY of his posts, go ahead. To me he appears sarcastic, self-righteous, condescending, prideful, etc. He didnt even read my posts properly because he has made up his mind before he reads them...so.... Go ahead and support that. Fine by me. It's what friends do, right?

 

[Abiding]

Abiding, I dont know you but if you want to support your friend's style in which he responds in MANY of his posts, go ahead. To me he appears sarcastic, self-righteous, condescending, prideful, etc. He didnt even read my posts properly because he has made up his mind before he reads them...so.... Go ahead and support that. Fine by me. It's what friends do, right?

I dont know what you mean by support. Am I that way?
whatever way you mean.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abiding, I dont know you but if you want to support your friend's style in which he responds in MANY of his posts, go ahead. To me he appears sarcastic, self-righteous, condescending, prideful, etc. He didnt even read my posts properly because he has made up his mind before he reads them...so.... Go ahead and support that. Fine by me. It's what friends do, right?

You mean I am not the only one he does this too?

 

[BlueLagoon]

I dont know what you mean by support. Am I that way?
whatever way you mean.

Nevermind.....it just appears you dont notice SL's manner in which he posts responses as rude. Either that or you support the sarcasm as ok ? Little words like "duh" ...... are rude in my opinion... but lets stick with the topic

 

[Abiding]

Nevermind.....it just appears you dont notice SL's manner in which he posts responses as rude. Either that or you support the sarcasm as ok ? Little words like "duh" ...... are rude in my opinion... but lets stick with the topic

Ask EG his opinion...if I was that thin skinned id have never made it past my first thread in here.
I think he called me several names within the first hour. In here he claims to being ganged on,
with red over the top of it all...doing whatever hes doing. And I really dont find you all that charming
either. So what do we do? Maybe give a little room for personality? I think so.
Keep in mind neither one of you believe in Amillennialism and are in a thread
that you oppose. Maybe that has a tiny bearing on things..maybe not.
But you can help yourself to the refreshments there good.

 

[AnandaHya]

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ananda,
if i am not mistaken
the chart is Kim Riddlebarger's.
please cite your sources particularly his, as the links will help others arrive at the conclusions you have: since someone provided the sources you are now enjoying.
it's always helpful to remember, if not document how we got to where we are now, from where we once were.

these men and others have laboured many years in Christ and deserve credit for their work, whenever you use it.
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Actually the chart was from an article by Mark Slick.

Amillennialism and Premillennialism | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

I could do a critique on the sources and websites you've recommended. I've found some scientific and logical inconsistencies in some of their sermons but have found some parts interesting and I think is true.

I also think you have labeled me since I first got here with things I never believed or even thought about but you like to continue saying I believe so you can feel self-justified.

I admit that I did not understand a lot of the Bible since there were alot of different views on the subject and I thank you for the recommendation and the websites about church history but that is not what convinced me of my beliefs but more reading the Bible and seeing how it all works together to reveal the Truth of the world and God's word and His divine plan.

I find your attitude at times abrasive and arrogant, asumming things about others that are not true.

I have learned alot from people on this site and I thank everyone for it. I have enjoyed the sermons from Phil Johnson, Ravenhill, EM Bounds, Spurgeon, and other recommended sermons from people from this site.

I enjoy some of Chris' programs but others I find a lot of false statements embedded in them. they are useful in avoiding trigger words that offend the reform and Lutherans on site.

anyways if you want to talk about throwing someone under a bus, go ahead take a toss.

Ironic you both claim to be doing it out of "love for God's sheep"

I believe Satan was tossed out of Heaven when Jesus defeated Him in the desert and that John the Baptist wrote Revelations and the letter was passed around the Asian churches.

I still think your understanding of Corinth is wrong and my thoughts are my own, mistakes and all. If I get anything right it is through the grace of God, because I know left to myself I would be messed up.

Repent? I repent of alot, but I still think prophecy is live today and I still think God speaks to His people.

so what do you think I have "privately" repented of?

I've publically repented of a lot of things but you chose to ignore those.

 

[Abiding]

 

[BlueLagoon]

Ask EG his opinion...if I was that thin skinned id have never made it past my first thread in here.
I think he called me several names within the first hour. In here he claims to being ganged on,
with red over the top of it all...doing whatever hes doing. And I really dont find you all that charming
either. So what do we do? Maybe give a little room for personality? I think so.
Keep in mind neither one of you believe in Amillennialism and are in a thread
that you oppose. Maybe that has a tiny bearing on things..maybe not.
But you can help yourself to the refreshments there good.

My purpose in here isnt one of "charm"...i come here to fellowship and find amongst all the debating some cliquishness much like we find in churches today. Which is sad...anyways...i came into the amill room to debate why I dont agree with that view, I thought that was ok...but if you dont want me here, thats fine..I will leave you to your refreshments and those that have "personality"!

 

[Abiding]

My purpose in here isnt one of "charm"...i come here to fellowship and find amongst all the debating some cliquishness much like we find in churches today. Which is sad...anyways...i came into the amill room to debate why I dont agree with that view, I thought that was ok...but if you dont want me here, thats fine..I will leave you to your refreshments and those that have "personality"!

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No it wouldnt be a bible discussion if everyone agreed. My point is that if you ask how long a person
has been saved...its a little condenscending..although its a fine question. But condescending none the less.
And EG has his moments too. I admit to having fun here. And hope you and everyone else can too.
I dont mind fellowship either, but thats not my goal here. I prefer real humans i can see and get to know.

Thing with me is that I really cant debate that well. Im curious how the other came up with their view.
Im wondering if they have heard mine. After that its pointless to me. And since ive been in this forum ive
learned quit a bit. Some im not sure can. So yes enjoy the refreshments and be however you are.
I just dont like the complaining...but im sure it must go on

 

[zone]

mmmm
yummy

 

[Abiding]

thought you were gone...here

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ask EG his opinion...if I was that thin skinned id have never made it past my first thread in here.
I think he called me several names within the first hour..

Proof please!

 

[zone]

Abiding, I dont know you but if you want to support your friend's style in which he responds in MANY of his posts, go ahead. To me he appears sarcastic, self-righteous, condescending, prideful, etc. He didnt even read my posts properly because he has made up his mind before he reads them...so.... Go ahead and support that. Fine by me. It's what friends do, right?

WHY NOT GO TO A THREAD THAT INTERESTS YOU?
don't worry about the "friends" here. it may be they are just friends.
but it may be they are united on doctrine.

don't worry yourself about Doc...find another thread or start your own.

i started this one on Amil, and we who believe it would like to fellowship.

 

[zone]

First of all this was my answer to zone, not you...I find you rude and obnoxious and wont answer anymore of your posts except this one. I never claimed to be pre-trib...dont put words in my mouth. The kingdom of God is within us YES. Because His kingdom connects all believers through the Holy Spirit who happens to work through us and in us. You ignore what I point out as far as sequence of events is concerned because you just want to put your own puzzle pieces together to fit your own picture that you are Stuck with now. None of your theory makes sense nor is it scriptural. Read Rev. 19 and 20-21 again and lay aside your unreasonable doctrine, which is false.

it doesn't say the Kingdom is WITHIN US, it says among us, meaning Christ, among THEM in that time.
He was speaking to the Pharisees.

as for doc...if you got to know him, you'd like him.
but he goes against your fav doctrines...so there will be conflict.

 

[zone]

The gospel I have in my heart is right on and you know it because it was given by grace through a pastor-teacher that God raised up for the church to teach the word and doctrine. Many of you scoff at that because you do not know the scriptures on it because you never have been taught specific categorical doctrine. How shall they hear without a preacher? You don't take that seriously in relationship to the gospel, the word and doctrine being taught and training up the believer for the work of the ministry and for the details of life in the plan of God. You think that you can learn everything on your own and you can't and I don't care how much of the Holy Spirit you think you have. We receive from God through humility and by submitting ourselves under the mighty hand of God, which means we are to be under a flesh and blood pastor-teacher that teaches the whole counsel of God through categorical doctrine. There is no humility without submission to those that are over us in the Lord and we are to submit and obey what they teach.

We learn from others that God places us under, who are over us in the Lord, so that we don't get off through an independent spirit and think we know everything because we don't and because the whole head is sick and the heart is deceitful. Zone, you don't want to put yourself under anyone, not the all knowing and all powerful Zone, the great conspirator. No sir, Zone has it all down and has done her homework and never put herself under a pastor-teacher and learned how to receive doctrine and grace through humility. If I was your teacher, and I AM NOT, I would tell you that you have been doing the wrong homework assignment and you get no credit for it, but I would not condemn you, just stir you up a little. Most of these other guys and gals on this site, that you consider your friends, have not either.

Some of them think they have knowledge and they are nothing more that pompous donkeys. You betray friendships when your mood changes or you don't like what they believe or have to say. A friend loves at all times and your not mature enough to know that kind of love with all your vast knowledge or to even be a friend that stick closer than a brother. You have no idea what that means because you don't have that kind of love in your heart to discern those kind of friends that overlook your moods and mental blocks that keep you from receiving grace from God through the body of Christ. There are only a hand full of people that would lay their life down for you. Are you going to betray them through your doctrine and settle for those that can only offer you like-minded doctrine through personality rapport? They don't know what intimate fellowship is. They just live in some abstract idea of what a Christian is suppose to be like and hope they can live up.

the gospel you have in your heart is for a non existent Plan B church.


i don't think you know who would lay down their life for me.
do you count yourself among them?

and if i give my body to be burned, that's meaningless - if i have not love FOR THE BRETHREN.

i do not love Christ's Church if i feed her fables about pretribulation rapture scenarios channelled by mystics last century.

i do not love the brethren if i coddle them as they pretend to be prophets...there are no more.

don't talk to me about friends and love and Christ and Grace.

or humbling myself under a pastor-teacher if it means being so heavily indoctrinated with dispensationalism that i, Red, do not do they very things i say i do: love the brothers at any cost.

you jumped ship when you began attacking people who are looking for the Biblical truths of amillennialism etc: you began to act LIKE A CONTROLLING CULTIST who is afraid that people may think and search for themselves.

so don't lecture me on Christ's Love or brotherly love.