Peace in the middle east

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Magenta

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For every opinion or belief someone may hold there will be another party who just as strongly opposes that idea. Both sides usually claim to sit with the best arguments, the real facts and the correct world view, and (ironcally) both sides regard the other as being indoctrinated, blind to the obvious and outright stupid.

Most people only expose themselves to information that matches their own worldview. It is uncomfortable to do otherwise. Still, we would like to give you some surprising information about Islam. We also urge you to look further than only mainstream media, and if you can find the time for it, read the Koran yourself.

To get you started, we'd like to present you three things you probably did not know
about Islam
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(Please note that point number two on Sharia Law will be given in another post.)


1. Islam has not been hijacked. That Islam has been hijacked is what non-Muslims naturally assume,
because they assume all religions are the same. The reason non-Muslims are so easily confused is that
most of us don't realize the difference between the Qur'an and every other religious book we are familiar with.


The Christian Bible is a collection of writings from various authors written sometimes hundreds of years
apart, with parables, advice, and dreams, all collected together into one book. Same with the Jewish Torah.


Even those of us in the west who are neither Christians nor Jews, are still familiar enough with these
religions to know this much, and therefore we assume the same is true for the Qur'an. But the Qur'an
is only one book written by one man in his own lifetime. It is meant to be taken literally, and it is not
full of symbolism or vague analogies. It is mostly direct commands.


Of course, the Qur'an contains contradictory statements just like other religious books, but the Qur'an itself
provides the reader with a way to know what to do with the contradictions. It's explained in the
Qur'an that
if you have two passages that contradict each other, the one written later supersedes the one written earlier.


Most westerners are unaware that the peaceful tolerant passages were written early in Mohammed's career.
According to the Qur'an, those passages have been abrogated by later, more violent, and less tolerant passages.
So when most westerners hear jihadists quoting violent passages from the Qur'an, and then peaceful Muslims
quoting peaceful passages, they interpret that the way they would if someone was quoting the Bible or the
Torah. They think to themselves, oh, there must be many different and contradictory passages, like there are in
other religious books, so Muslims can pick and choose what they like and justify whatever actions they want to take.


But the Qur'an is nothing like that. There is no picking and choosing. It says very explicitly and in no uncertain terms that
a Muslim must not alter or ignore any part of its very clear and direct message, or they will burn in a fiery torment forever.




Point number three, @ 5:53

Muslims are allowed to deceive non-Muslims if it helps Islam. For non-Muslims, this principle, called
taqiyya, is another surprising concept of Islam. While most other religions speak highly of truthfulness,
the Qur'an instructs Muslims to lie to non-Muslims about their beliefs and their political ambitions, to
protect and spread Islam. There are many examples of today's Islamic leader saying one thing in English
for the western press, and then saying something entirely different to their own followers in Arabic a few days later.


Deceiving the enemy is always useful in war, and Islam is at war with the non-Islamic world until the
whole world follows Sharia law. All non-Muslims living in non-Islamic states are therefore enemies, so
deceiving westerners is totally acceptable - even encouraged - if it can forward the goals of the spread of Islam.


As a recent example, the Islamic American relief agency were seemingly raising money for orphans,
but were in fact giving the money to terrorists. They deceived goodhearted western infidels into giving
money to organizations that were actively killing western infidels.


Do the research yourself. This is not an isolated case.

Muslim organizations worldwide often declare that Islam is a religion of peace. But what does that really mean?
It seems easy for a Muslim to quote a peaceful verse from the early parts of the Qur'an while, by following the
principle of taqiyya, neglecting to mention the fact that it has been officially abrogated by later more violent verses.


According to the Qur'an, the world will be at peace only when Islam and Sharia reign in every country -
and never until then. This is why every Muslim can truthfully say that Islam is a religion of peace.


If any of these (three) points took you by surprise, then there is surely much more you still don't know.
This subject will affect you in the near future, so take the chance to inform yourself now - before it does.


The Qur'an on abrogation, Sura 2:106
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one]
better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?


Sura 16:101
And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends
down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know.


Sura 17:86
And if We willed, We could surely do away with that which We revealed to you.
Then you would not find for yourself concerning it an advocate against Us.


^ Transcribed from the video provided.
 

JTB

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I have met and talked to at least 100 people who identify as MAGA and I didn't hear any of that.

I attended six Stop the Steal rallies, all were peaceful despite Antifa trying to start a riot at each one.

I was there during January 6th. The Proud boys were arrested the night before and as a result the security for the rally was stripped away by the mayor of Washington DC. The next morning from 5am until Noon everyone I heard was warning about a false flag event and to be very careful. I did not go over to the Capital building, but as I left the rally I met the guy who had his feet on Pelosi's desk. He was an anarchist. He was not MAGA. I also saw several Antifa people in the Capital building during the "insurrection" (I saw them on video later after the event). So to my mind there were at least some Antifa, some Anarchists, and of course the weird guy with the buffalo horns.

I also saw the video footage of the guy who planted the pipe bomb and then talked to the Secret Service and the Capital police. That guy was clearly and obviously working for the deep state and unless they will bring him out and charge him since they obviously know who he is I have to believe he was acting on their instructions.

The people spewing hate have been the MSM and the Democrats. They take a word like "protest peacefully" and pretend it has all kinds of hidden dark meaning, while clearly inciting others to violence by calling Trump Hitler and saying he needs to be put in the bulls eye, that gets a pass.

So I am just wondering, where did you get your information from? Was it first hand or are you just a useful idiot spouting whatever the Deep State wants you to believe?
Actually, I'm in that small group who doesn't support either form of evil.

And not being pre-conceived by one side or the other, I can see clearly the evils of BOTH sides.

In fact, a doctor recently commented on my ability to see and assess and both sides clearly and equitably.

So half of my information comes from the very same sources your total information comes from. That's why you can't see your half clearly for what it is.

And leave the insults at home. Once you resort to insults, you admit your arguments aren't enough.
 
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There will be no peace in the middle east or the world until Jesus returns.
It is only going to get worse.
The Scriptures says so.
I just pray war does not come to my dwelling place.
 

Magenta

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Striving to institute world-wide sharia law is an Islamic religious duty.

Point number two (@ 3:12).


Many people don't realize how politically oriented Islam is at its core.
In fact, Islam is less of a religion than it is a religious ideology.


It includes a mandatory and highly specific legal and political plan for
the whole society: Sharia. There is no separation between the religious
and the political in Islam. Rather, Islam and Sharia constitute a
totalitarian means of ordering society at every level, including:


ritual worship, transactions and contracts, morals and manners,
beliefs, and punishments. In the Qur'an, Islam makes it clear that
man made governments such as a democracy, and free speech,
such as criticizing the Qur'an, are abominations, and must be eliminated.


The modern expression, "creeping sharia" is used to describe the slow
deliberate and methodical advance of Islamic law in non Muslim counties.


Official sharia courts already operate in the UK, handling cases ranging
from divorce and financial disputes to domestic violence. Attempts to
introduce sharia in the legal system in Germany, Sweden and other
European countries are ongoing.


While sharia already has a foot in our door in the matter of minor disputes
like inheritance and domestic violence, it should concern you that sharia:


commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped; allows husbands
to hit their wives; allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge,
literally an eye for an eye; commands that a thief must have a hand cut off;
commands that homosexuals must be executed; orders unmarried fornicators
to be whipped, and adulterers to be stoned to death; orders death for both Muslim
and non Muslim critics of Muhammad, the Qur'an, and even sharia itself;
orders apostates to be killed; commands offensive, aggressive, and unjust jihad.


As written in the Qur'an, sharia is the law of Allah; any other form
of government is a sin. It is the duty of every Muslim to keep striving
until all governments have been converted to sharia law.
 

JTB

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OK.

“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." Matthew 5:9
It's funny (but sad), so many seem to know what season it is, yet are so clueless as to how that season plays out.

Willful ignorance WILL cost you in the days ahead.
 
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Striving to institute world-wide sharia law is an Islamic religious duty.

Point number two (@ 3:12).


Many people don't realize how politically oriented Islam is at its core.
In fact, Islam is less of a religion than it is a religious ideology.


It includes a mandatory and highly specific legal and political plan for
the whole society: Sharia. There is no separation between the religious
and the political in Islam. Rather, Islam and Sharia constitute a
totalitarian means of ordering society at every level, including:


ritual worship, transactions and contracts, morals and manners,
beliefs, and punishments. In the Qur'an, Islam makes it clear that
man made governments such as a democracy, and free speech,
such as criticizing the Qur'an, are abominations, and must be eliminated.


The modern expression, "creeping sharia" is used to describe the slow
deliberate and methodical advance of Islamic law in non Muslim counties.


Official sharia courts already operate in the UK, handling cases ranging
from divorce and financial disputes to domestic violence. Attempts to
introduce sharia in the legal system in Germany, Sweden and other
European countries are ongoing.


While sharia already has a foot in our door in the matter of minor disputes
like inheritance and domestic violence, it should concern you that sharia:


commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped; allows husbands
to hit their wives; allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge,
literally an eye for an eye; commands that a thief must have a hand cut off;
commands that homosexuals must be executed; orders unmarried fornicators
to be whipped, and adulterers to be stoned to death; orders death for both Muslim
and non Muslim critics of Muhammad, the Qur'an, and even sharia itself;
orders apostates to be killed; commands offensive, aggressive, and unjust jihad.


As written in the Qur'an, sharia is the law of Allah; any other form
of government is a sin. It is the duty of every Muslim to keep striving
until all governments have been converted to sharia law.
Most do not understand this or the fact that this belief now has over two billion followers world wide.
They do not want peace.
They want world domination and justify killing all who resist.
 

Magenta

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Most do not understand this or the fact that this belief now has over two billion followers world wide.
They do not want peace.
They want world domination and justify killing all who resist.
I transcribed those videos word by word with no help from AI heh, it did not exist in those days as it does now, for that was pretty close to exactly eight years ago when DT won the presidential election the first time. I was off work over a few days recovering from Shingles, and transcribed a few of David Woods videos from his Acts 17 website, which may have been overhauled since then. Islam was quite a concern then (as now, to some), as many countries were being inundated by Islamic immigrants, and European countries were facing a rape crisis as a result. Years earlier, CBS reporter Lara Logan had been publicly mob raped in Egypt as she covered their political situation with the resignation of then-president Hosni Mubarak, and still people ignored what Islamic men considered acceptable. And even Christians here repeatedly called me racist for simply pointing out what Islam teaches, LOL, their ignorance on full display, since Islam is not a race.
 
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It's funny (but sad), so many seem to know what season it is, yet are so clueless as to how that season plays out.

Willful ignorance WILL cost you in the days ahead.
I don't believe it's willful ignorance sometimes; the Lord shields the person's eyes.
 

ZNP

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And leave the insults at home. Once you resort to insults, you admit your arguments aren't enough.
You forfeited any right to lecture others on insults after you said this:

"MAGA???

Surely you're familiar with this group?

Spent the last 9 years spouting hate, division, lies, hypocrisy, and so on? Threatening civil war if they didn't get their way? Over-ran the capitol?

SERIOUSLY???

I mean, wow. Just wow."

If you refer to MAGA in this way then it is fully acceptable to refer to the MSM media in the way I did. You are the hypocrite.

How arrogant to think that you get to make laws for others that don't apply to yourself.
 
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It's funny (but sad), so many seem to know what season it is, yet are so clueless as to how that season plays out.

Willful ignorance WILL cost you in the days ahead.
The tragedy is you take smug satisfaction in thinking to say that. Certain you are clued in.
You are not.
 

ZNP

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I don't care what your opinion is of January 6th as long as you are willing to agree to the established facts.

1. It is very difficult to get a list of all the Stop the Steal rallies nationwide. I went to six of them, but they were held nationwide. I think it is safe to say there were at least 20 of them. None of them were violent in any way despite having thugs trying to disrupt most of the rallies.

Yes, I said "none of them" because the January 6th rally was at the Whitehouse. There was no violence there.

However, the January 6th event was violent. I have no issue with someone who wants to include January 6th event at the House in the "Stop the Steal" rallies as long as they also agree to the facts.

1. The main violence witnessed on camera was by people who were preparing for violence at the Capital building at the same time that Trump was speaking and they did not attend the January 6th Stop the Steal rally at the Whitehouse.

2. The main act of violence was leaving a pipe bomb at the DNC. Video evidence shows the person leaving the bomb and then notifying the Secret Service and Capital Police that it was there. Since this person has still not been identified despite being caught on camera and despite having talked to the police and Secret Service we must assume he was working with them and was not MAGA.

Please note that 0.1% of the crowd would have been 500-1,000 people.

3. In every rally the Proud Boys had acted as security and there had not been a single criminal complaint of violence or mischief. However, the Washington DC mayor arrested them the night before the rally removing security from the event.

4. Security for the Capital building was the responsibility of Pelosi and Schumer, both democrats and so any lapse in security at the Capital building should be their responsibility and not the responsibility of the Stop the Steal rally.

5. The people who died that day were MAGA. There was some misinformation spread about a policeman being killed but that was proven to be false.

6. If you eliminate trivial trespassing violations, you might have 70 people who were charged with a "serious" crime and put in jail. No one was charged with assault or with possessing a deadly weapon. There has been some mischaracterization of this event as an "insurrection" but that is baseless and the DOJ and FBI have made it clear this was not an insurrection.

7. Estimates of the crowd that were at the rally was between 500,000 and 1,000,000. That means 99.9% of the people at the rally were not involved in "overrunning the capital".

Based on the evidence that has been proven, I think there are only two reasonable conclusions. One is that it was a false flag event. The other is that it was bad judgment by 70 people, some of whom were at the Stop the Steal rally, but who by no means represented the 99.9% of the people who were there and did not trespass.
 
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You just abandoned your point when resorting to Godwin's Law.

This isn't Germany. And it is 2024.
I never get this, comparing people, we will all be judged on our own
and not because we did what
And you justify to God why you don't know His word on this.
Hebrews 12:14
Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Why would I find an a way not to choose peace, there is no reason.
 
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Egypt was an empire before Ishmael was born, so saying that Ishmaelites were Egyptians is not a historically accurate description.

I was always under the impression that the Bedouins were Ishmaelites.
You will find this an intersting read. I always stick with the biblical account. Always bear in mind that Islam tries to hijack the biblical stories. People have just believed what they say without studying what the bible says. Same as today with the Israeli conflict the one group of muslims are trying to hijack the story of the bible and historical accounts while the other group of muslims point out that even the Koran says Israel belongs to the Jews. In the news they are believing the accounts of Hamas instead of researching the truth. But take a look.
Hahar was Egyption, returned to Egypt, found Ishmael an Egyption wife. But read the whole thing, very interesting. And pull out the bible to confirm and perhaps a map of ancient times.
Ishmael is not the Father of Muhammad
Enjoy!
 
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ZNP

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yes Esau married a Hittite who's son had a child with a concubine who bare Almalek. No connection to Mohamed being from Ishmael.
I don't think the concern with Ishmaelites is whether or not Mohammed is one. Rather what is the spiritual significance. Gideon's army slew Ishmaelites so they definitely were one of the tribes that tried to put Israel under their subjection. In Psalms it says

The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

So it puts these four together. Edom being the twin brother of Jacob, Ishmael being the half brother to Isaac, Moab being descendants of Lot and Hagarenes being the family of Hagar.
 
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yes Esau married a Hittite who's son had a child with a concubine who bare Almalek. No connection to Mohamed being from Ishmael.
This was Gods promise to Abraham 'That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy'

this is the promise that God gave Hagar the Egyptian
'For God spoke unto Hagar and said, “And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.” (Genesis 17:20)

There are 14 nations in the Middle east excluding Israel but there just so happens to be 12 nations that have the equivalent of a king (7 Sheikhs, 2 kings, 2 emirs, and 1 sultan.)

12He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Ishmael only had one brother Isaac so the brothers God talks about here have to be the nations that comes from Ishmael. Then they will live in hostility of all his brothers means that they will stay close. But God says Ishmeal will beget twelve nations.