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TMS · Monday at 10:49 PM

I agree we seek and He leads.

When walk in the Spirit, we reflect the character of God. Love peace.....

But I don't agree with what you say next.

Cameron143 said:

Are you perfectly keeping it each day?
I don't know about you but I need to wrestle against the carnal nature.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks, He does not force us. We need to choose.

The Spirit vs the flesh.

Rom 8:1-14 KJV 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
...... 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
.....13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Notice that it isn't without a choice on our part.
We choose who we will serve.
If it was done without any effort from us all people should be saved. God would make every so full of the Spirit that they could not follow the flesh.

We can choose to walk after the Spirit, if we choose to allow God to come into our hearts.. but we must also crucify the flesh. Only room for one.

All glory to God for all Good comes from Him. But many choose to follow the flesh and ignore the Spirit.

TMS · Monday at 11:04 PM

Dino246 said:

My way of thinking is..... thank you Jesus for suffering for my sins and loving me so much that you paid the price to redeem me from death.
I love you Jesus so much I want to reflect your righteousness to others and also because sin seperates us I want to not sin and enjoy the peace of being close to you.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Cameron143 · Monday at 11:28 PM

TMS said:

I agree we seek and He leads.

When walk in the Spirit, we reflect the character of God. Love peace.....

But I don't agree with what you say next.

Are you perfectly keeping it each day?
I don't know about you but I need to wrestle against the carnal nature.

Jesus stands at the door and knocks, He does not force us. We need to choose.

The Spirit vs the flesh.

Rom 8:1-14 KJV 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
...... 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
.....13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Notice that it isn't without a choice on our part.
We choose who we will serve.
If it was done without any effort from us all people should be saved. God would make every so full of the Spirit that they could not follow the flesh.

We can choose to walk after the Spirit, if we choose to allow God to come into our hearts.. but we must also crucify the flesh. Only room for one.

All glory to God for all Good comes from Him. But many choose to follow the flesh and ignore the Spirit.

Do you choose for God to will and do of His good pleasure in you? Do you choose to be conformed to the image of Christ? You still think it's about you?

TMS · Monday at 11:29 PM

Dino246 said:

I do not have the attitude "Thanks for your mercy, I'm going to take the liberty of your grace to serve my selfish lusts and serve the devil and cause pain to everyone and everything. Thanks Jesus for letting me continue to live a lawless life. "

The law reveals sin and sin causes pain and death. God's saves us from the result of sin and the penalty of transgressing the law. He did not die to make me lawless. Or make the world lawless.

TMS · Monday at 11:48 PM

Cameron143 said:

I know that I can't change my heart,
Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

But I also know that God does not force the change.

I said we choose to allow God to make the change..

I ask God to please create in me a clean heart.... like David did.

By prayer and supplication.
God is able and willing to conform us transform us but we need to allow God to do His good work in us.

Adam was able to choose wheather or not he would follow God or self .

The solution is found in Jesus.

Aaron56 · 2024-11-12T08:29:07-0500

TMS said:

Not for God. He is life eternal.

The standard of love is now the same for God and man: ”A new commandment I give to you: Love one another as I (Christ) have loved you.”

The Law represented a temporal economy “until Christ was revealed”. This is what the Levitical priests administrated, the temporary economy. Transgressions occurred > the Law was given > Christ appeared > the Law was surpassed by the eternal standard of Christ. The standards changed so, too, the priesthood was changed, from Levi to Melchizedek.

”Life goes on”, as if to say “We are to be led by the Spirit but sometimes our stomaches“ is the exact compromise Satan offered to Eve.

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T08:52:30-0500

We have no righteousness, none Romans 3:10

Because we have all sinned and broke God's law. Romans 6:23

God's commandments are His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 Rom 7:12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Written by God's own finger Exo 31:18 perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7

Jesus is the only one who has lived and not sinned and kept the commandments John 15:10

Because He took the penalty and the only One who lived holy and righteous, through Him we can have His righteousness. It requires coming to Christ just as we are (justified) and allowing His Holy Spirit to convert our souls (sanctification), die of sin and selfishness, live in Christ and through His power we can obey Him and keep His commandments John 14:15-18 (be without sin) and live just as Jesus lived who is our perfect example to follow when we abide in Him 1 John 2:5-6

Its why we do not obtain righteousness through the law because we all have sinned, so the only way is through Christ. It doesn't mean God's law is not His standard of righteousness, because it is Psa 119:172 and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142

If we have a right relationship with Christ, He imputes His righteousness in us, just like He did with Abraham. But did Abraham rebel against God's law or did he keep it.

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”

We do not obtain righteousness through the law, we obtain it by having a right relationship through Christ. Our obedience to God leads one to righteousness, or disobedience leads one in the direction.

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Sipsey · 2024-11-12T08:53:54-0500

Aaron56 said:

Not for God. He is life eternal.

The standard of love is now the same for God and man: ”A new commandment I give to you: Love one another as I (Christ) have loved you.”

The Law represented a temporal economy “until Christ was revealed”. This is what the Levitical priests administrated, the temporary economy. Transgressions occurred > the Law was given > Christ appeared > the Law was surpassed by the eternal standard of Christ. The standards changed so, too, the priesthood was changed, from Levi to Melchizedek.

”Life goes on”, as if to say “We are to be led by the Spirit but sometimes our stomaches“ is the exact compromise Satan offered to Eve.

Amen, I think many want to judge others by God’s commandments without taking into account God’s mercy.

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T08:59:34-0500

God wrote these Words right in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

If we have a right relationship with Christ we would want to obey Him and His commandments through faith and love and the power He gives when we cooperate Mat 14:15-18

New commandments do not delete other commandments. Was love one another really a new commandment that Jesus didn't know about from the OT or was He saying it in a new way in hopes people would "hear" Him.

Cameron143 · 2024-11-12T09:05:47-0500

TMS said:

We don't allow God to do anything. God is sovereign and does as He wills. We either cooperate with what He is doing or we do not. But God will have His way. This is the whole idea behind chastisement.
God's overarching goal is His glory. To achieve this He created man in His image and tasked him to multiply and fill the earth. In this manner, the glory of the knowledge of the Lord would fill the earth. When man sinned, the image of God in man was corrupted. No longer would natural birth accomplish God's purpose. No problem. God introduced supernatural birth through the gospel and tasked the converted to share the gospel to restore His image and fill the earth.
I say all this to say that every Christian will be conformed to the image of Christ. God will work His good pleasure in every believer to bring this to pass. The glory of the knowledge of the Lord will fill the as the waters cover the seas. It's not about you. It's not about me. It's a God thing.

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2024-11-12T09:09:30-0500

SabbathBlessing said:

That's why it's important to walk after the spirit of the commandments rather than their letters, for the letters kill, but the spirit gives life.

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:5-6

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T09:10:14-0500

Sounds conditional to me

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

God never made us robots. He is at the door, but we have to open it. It wouldn't be true love if God forced Himself on us, we have to choose Him and cooperate with what He asks then He gives us the power to perform- be doers of the Word- not just hearers James 1:22

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T09:22:45-0500

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

If we are living by the Spirit of the law, the letter would automatically be kept as Jesus taught. Mat 5:19-30.. Jesus was not teaching we can literally murder or literally commit adultery or literally break the least of these commandments, but if our heart is changed, we would not even have thoughts that lead to commit the literal commandments- letter. Keeping the literal commandments is the basics, living by the spirit is greater and in doing so each one of the literal commandments would be automatically kept, not broken.

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2024-11-12T09:24:18-0500

SabbathBlessing said:

It is. We have to follow Jesus' commandments. Notice that in the last day it will be his words that judge those who don't follow them rather than what Moses said

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. 1 John 3:23-24

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 12:48-50

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2024-11-12T09:29:37-0500

SabbathBlessing said:

That's not always true. For example, the priests broke the sabbaths and were guiltless because they served in the temple We priests of the new covenant serve in a greater temple, and are also one body with the lord of the sabbath

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T09:31:16-0500

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Do you know that Jesus called the Ten Commandments- the commandments of God and God is the one who wrote the Ten Commandments calling them "My commandments" Exo 20:6 Do you think Moses is God or God is Moses, because one is our Creator and one is the creation. Lets let God be God and define His own commandments because He did, He spoke them, He wrote them and claimed this as His

Do you know Jesus used the Word of God and the commandments of God as interchangeable

Mark 7:7

And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you [e]reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:13) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Why God never left it up to man to write His holy commandments that He will Judge us by hence why they are under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will come together some time soon.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. Only quoting and contrasting the Ten Commandments- the He who said these commandments also said 8 others Exo 20 breaking one we break them all.

You also see this in Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2024-11-12T09:35:32-0500

SabbathBlessing said:

Do you know that Jesus called the Ten Commandments- the commandments of God and God is the one who wrote the Ten Commandments calling them "My commandments" Exo 20:6 Do you think Moses is God or God is Moses, because one if our Creator and one is the creation.

Do you know Jesus used the Word of God and the commandments of God as interchangeable

Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you [e]reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Why God never left it up to man to write His holy commandments that He will Judge us by hence why they are under His mercy seat.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You also see this in Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15

Moses' law was the commandment of God... for those under the old covenant, to whom Jesus spoke those words. He didn't speak them to those under the new covenant because it didn't exist yet. New covenant, new law

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T09:38:11-0500

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Your words, not God's who is the one I place my faith in. Moses wrote in a book, placed OUTSIDE the ark Deut 31:24-26
God wrote the Ten Commandments and claimed them as His- My commandments- Exo 20:6 never called the commandments of Moses.

Jesus also claimed them as the commandment of God, which He is God. Lets let God be God and define things as He is the one who created us and the creation does not know better then He.

You can believe what you want but your argument is with a much Higher Authority than I

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2024-11-12T10:01:26-0500

SabbathBlessing said:

Jesus was also under the old covenant and therefore under its law. He was judged by that law and died and is risen and therefore is no longer under that law. And neither are we because we also are dead to that law through him (even though we were never under it in the first place). If you want to be under that law, that's your choice, but you will never find life under the law that both Peter and Paul called a yoke of bondage

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Galatians 4:21-24

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 4:30-5:1

SabbathBlessing · 2024-11-12T10:23:52-0500

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Where does it say Jesus was under the "Old Covenant" verse please. Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant Heb 9:15 It would be kind of hard for Him to be if He is our example to follow in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 and if we are to abide in Him 1 John 2:5-6

God's law is not burdensome

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

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