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I forgot to mention the best part about Job.

Because he was faithful even when faced with severe adversity God blessed him

Job 42:12 Now the LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning; for he had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, one thousand yoke of oxen, and one thousand female donkeys. 13 He also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 And he called the name of the first [e]Jemimah, the name of the second [f]Keziah, and the name of the third [g]Keren-Happuch. 15 In all the land were found no women so beautiful as the daughters of Job; and their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers.
16 After this Job lived one hundred and forty years, and saw his children and grandchildren for four generations. 17 So Job died, old and full of days.
I don't believe you forgot to mention, you searched fo it.
 

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Easy to find excuses to work on the sabbath, there are many jobs that do not require work on the sabbath, if it happens you just move on like many of us who obey God did. In the first place it is to look for a job that does not forces you to work on the sabbath. GOD IS LOVE AND COMPASSIONATE IF PEOPLE PUT THEIR FAITH IN HIM HE WILL MAKE THIS POSSIBLE FOR YOU NOT TO WORK ON THE SABBATH. JUST ASK!
I was saved while I was in the military. At the time, the Vietnam war was raging. While I was not directly involved except for one week in the war zone, the military does not take kindly to those who do not show up for duty, especially in war time. Also, I knew nothing of sabbath rules. I don't have a Christian background. I've not observed the OT sabbath in my 50 + years in Jesus. My "sabbath" is one day a week of a complete break from normal work. That's for physical and mental health. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Jesus said that. Seems good to me.
 

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The thing is not to take this job in the first place, if you are temporarily stuck and take it as a temporary measure looking diligently for an alternate and asked God to hep,, i doubt the lord would comdemn you as long as you seek something better, God is mercy and compassionate he would understand And help you if you are sincere., this i believe is found in scripture.
Mixing law and grace now? Utter confusion. And that is not of God.
 
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If someone could only find a job that required work on Saturdays, for example working 3 weeks on/3 weeks off shifts on an offshore oil rig, which is more sinful to do? Continue working the job in order to feed and house his family, or quit the job and become homeless?
The reason this wasn't answered directly, but rather obliquely through guilt tripping, is because the legalistic experts in the law do indeed think it is more sinful to work on Saturdays than to not provide for one's family. Their's is a ministry of death, not life

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8
And he said, Woe unto you also, ye law experts! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Luke 11:46
 

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Mixing law and grace now? Utter confusion. And that is not of God.
i wont dish these verses out for you I am certain you know them but GOD is compassionate and will make exceptions, give us time to adjust. the pharisees in Jesus times were strict, invented more laws with a million detail, making the laws a burden for many, They were the legalists. Jesus said a few things about this. if someone did not know about the sabbath can they be held responsible? I think not, me for a long time I did not know about the sabbath but when I did I changed jobs. I am not an expert on the Law of Moses but I am certain that Christians have to follow all of the 10 commandments, we have to change our ways to do this.

Peace.
 

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You just made a “straw-man” argument by saying something I did not say and easily defeating your own words.

The law is good and holy, just like the crib. No one curses the crib. No one says it was worthless or sinful. It served its purpose.
I did not mention the crib.
You are making the assumption that a crib is comparable to the law.

Has the law served its purpose?
Because God's royal law is good and a blessing it does not become void.

If you can make the assumption that the crib is like the 10 commandments. I can assume that everything outside the crib is lawless and sinful.
 
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Has the law served its purpose?
Because God's royal law is good and a blessing it does not become void.
Yes because the law's primary purpose was to judge Christ for our debts as a ransom payment

The royal law is love, not the 10 commandments.

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: James 2:8
 
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How is having respect of persons sin when it is not mentioned in the 10 commandments?

But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:9-10
 

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But after you move out of it you don’t go back into it. Unless you are admitting you are evil or profane.

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for theungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
A righteous person does not need their lawlessness pointed out...
They do not need to be shown that they are sinning.

Jesus was righteous and He still obeyed the law.

But because I am not perfect and sin, prise God for the law. A guild to help me repent and turn from my sins.

Remove the law and I would not know when I fall. The 10 commandments are a wonderful guild to help me know when I fall.
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

The law does not condemn the righteous but it does condemn the unrighteous.

The sabbath law condemns me when do not obey it but when I obey it I'm not condemned by it... simple concept.
 

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Yes because the law's primary purpose was to judge Christ for our debts as a ransom payment

The royal law is love, not the 10 commandments.

If you fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: James 2:8
So what judges us? What debts do I have if there is no law. What debts are against me if the law is not valid? What debts does Jesus need to pay if there is no law.

Why make the law in the first place if it caused the death of Jesus. If God could have removed the law, why didn't He do it from the start and save Jesus from the pain?
 
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So what judges us? What debts do I have if there is no law. What debts are against me if the law is not valid? What debts does Jesus need to pay if there is no law.
Nothing judges us because all sin has been judged in Christ. Forever

Why make the law in the first place if it caused the death of Jesus. If God could have removed the law, why didn't He do it from the start and save Jesus from the pain?
Either we had to pay the price or he did. Which would you prefer?
 
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The Royal Law i.e. Love thy neighbor is the commandments in the Ten Commandments on how to love man summarized. The greatest commandments love God with all our heart, mind and soul come from this same unit that deal with the commandments on love to God.

Rom 13: 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,”You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The summary does not delete the details.

1 John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith
 
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But the summary includes things not in the 10 commandments. See post 2709
Not sure what translation you used but this is a better translation and fits the context

James 2:9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors

prosópolémpteó: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Original Word: προσωπολημπτέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: prosópolémpteó
Pronunciation: pro-so-po-lay-MP-teh-o
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-o-pol-ape-teh'-o)
Definition: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Meaning: I favor specially, show partiality.


James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.2 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

What “whole law” is James only quoting and contrasting, saying if you break one of these commandments, you break them all? Who is the “He who said” James is quoting?

It’s God writing and speaking the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20 that He added no more to Deut 5:22 breaking one we break them all and what we will be Judged by the law of Liberty. If we love God we would want to keep His commandments because His law is a reflection of His character, which we are to take on His image. God is trying to save us from the bondage of sin hence why they are called the law of liberty

The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
 
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Not sure what translation you used but this is a better translation and fits the context

James 2:9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors

prosópolémpteó: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Original Word: προσωπολημπτέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: prosópolémpteó
Pronunciation: pro-so-po-lay-MP-teh-o
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-o-pol-ape-teh'-o)
Definition: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Meaning: I favor specially, show partiality.


James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.2 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

What “whole law” is James only quoting and contrasting, saying if you break one of these commandments, you break them all? Who is the “He who said” James is quoting?

It’s God writing and speaking the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20 that He added no more to Deut 5:22 breaking one we break them all and what we will be Judged by the law of Liberty. If we love God we would want to keep His commandments because His law is a reflection of His character, which we are to take on His image. God is trying to save us from the bondage of sin hence why they are called the law of liberty

The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
A lot of words without answering the question
 
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A lot of words without answering the question
While I like the KJV, this translation in this verse does not match the greek definition

But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors.

This translations does
James 2:9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors

prosópolémpteó: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Original Word: προσωπολημπτέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: prosópolémpteó
Pronunciation: pro-so-po-lay-MP-teh-o
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-o-pol-ape-teh'-o)
Definition: To show partiality, to be a respecter of persons
Meaning: I favor specially, show partiality.

So its not introducing “new laws” its saying if we show partiality to one person or another it is sin just like with the law by obeying one law and not the others we are a transgressor of the law, while the next verse says the same thing quoting and contrasting two commandments directly from the Ten breaking one we break them all James 2:10 why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30
 
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While I like the KJV, this translation in this verse does not match the greek definition

But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors.

This translations does
James 2:9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors
They say the same thing
 
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This is closer

To be a respecter of persons

Have respect to persons can have different meanings than showing partiality but maybe the old English word means something different than how I interpret it.
And where is it written in the 10 commandments that respect of persons is sin?