Understanding God’s election

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 12:04 PM

I like coffee … soooooooo much.

amen exactly the nt doctrine is mostly about what you just said in that tiny sentence a combination of God making believers of the gospel , able to break free of sins dominion over them it’s grasp to continue pulling us into sin . Making us think “I can’t do it I’m not able “

Godnis trying to teach us that we are able now who believe the gospel that we can change and follow after him like this

“We love others becaue he first loved us “ but we do need to act ….

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

For ye were ( past tense ) sometimes darkness, but now ( presently ) are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We still fail sometimes but there’s repentance and forgiveness and mercy Jesus doesn’t throw away his people who are following him with thier heart even when we mess up he doesn’t give us away he’s there to continually teach and lead and lift up and correct and rebuke and encourage and support and make able and even do the things we aren’t able to do yet

abut we need to do our part and come to him as if he is and also we are his disciples learning from and following after him all Christian’s are disciples of Jesus

Genez · Sunday at 12:04 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Like I said, the Masoretic Text calls angels the sons of God, the LXX doesn't. Both are bibles. Sons are begotten, angels aren't

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)

And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1 (LXX)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (MT)

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7 (LXX)

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 (MT)

Some translators know what sons of God means, and will translate it "angels."

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 12:05 PM

Magenta said:

Instead of arguing speak truth

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 12:05 PM

Genez said:

Naw angels aren’t sons of God

Magenta · Sunday at 12:06 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

The truth is they add to Scripture.

Coffee calls...

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Sunday at 12:07 PM

Genez said:

I don't know what this means. The word in the LXX is ἄγγελοι, ie angels. There's no way to translate it to 'sons'

Genez · Sunday at 12:10 PM

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:

Like I said, the Masoretic Text calls angels the sons of God, the LXX doesn't. Both are bibles. Sons are begotten, angels aren't

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)

And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1 (LXX)

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (MT)

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7 (LXX)

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 (MT)

Angels were not physically begotten by God. Spiritually begotten.
Like? We needed to be born again!

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 12:10 PM

Magenta said:

Demons know who he is

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭

they rebel against him still .

James point there is a man saying “ i know God is real “ this isn’t going to save anyone it’s when we begging to hear his word and keep it when we begin to stop rebelling against it as demons do

Pilgrimshope · Sunday at 12:11 PM

Magenta said:

Yes I notice that happens alot and also many ignore and remove scripture but maybe they don’t understand it is why

Enjoy your coffee sister

Genez · Sunday at 12:13 PM

Magenta said:

WE all do at times.

But, some of will learn more and more not to.

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid." Proverbs 12:1

Stupid is not the same thing as dumb.
Someone stupid can have an IQ of genius.

.......

Genez · Sunday at 12:21 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

So? Who appeared with Satan before the Lord in Job 1:6?

Now, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord,

and Satan also came among them. "

It only began in the Church age, where men now become a NEW CREATION in Christ, do we gain the potential to be called sons of God.

1 John 3:1

"Behold what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God!"

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Got to put the pieces together!

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Sunday at 12:27 PM

Genez said:

You're just making things up

Magenta · Sunday at 12:28 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

Thank you ! I am at Starbucks right now semi whispering into my phone LOL but I have breakfast warming in the oven at home so I can't stay long... But the coffee is a great excuse to go for a little walk to start my day...

ChristRoseFromTheDead · Sunday at 12:31 PM

Genez said:

This is not correct. The godly sons of Adam are called the sons of God in Genesis. Adam was the son of God

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38

MeowFlower · Sunday at 12:41 PM

Genez said:

Which ever you prefer for yourself. It is you who need be careful promoting a false doctrine here.

MeowFlower · Sunday at 12:43 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

Im not really familiar with his writings lately and couldn’t make that judgement anyways .

abut yes demons in the gospel always acknowledged Jesus power over them and who he was “ thou Jesus son of God “ they said and trembled and whaled fearing the day of judgement “ have you come to torment us before the time ? “ the demons said

they know that God is God , they know that Jesus is lord and the redeemer but they chose to serve his enemy and now the presence of God is a reminder of thier coming judgement

It doesn’t save us to say “ God exists “ it saves us when we repent and believe him and apply his word like James says a little before that

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. ( the gospel )

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭

Is there a scripture that tells us Satan and his angels,demons,can repent and be saved as is being promoted by one here?

Magenta · Sunday at 1:16 PM

MeowFlower said:

Absolutely not. The Lake of Fire is to be prepared for Satan and his angels.

MeowFlower · Sunday at 1:18 PM

Magenta said:

True. I remember hearing about a cult that taught Satan could repent . He and his demons. It was years ago and I don't recall what they named themselves. I'll Google and see if I can find it.

Rufus · Sunday at 1:19 PM

Pilgrimshope said:

How did Enoch live and walk with God get translated and never die if all of adams children are incapable ?

“and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: and Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Again enoch was saved by faith because he pleased god

“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5‬ ‭

if man is incapable after Adam how did Enoch the seventh generation from Adam please God ? Was he also incapable ?

God's grace made Enoch capable. God has always given saving grace to the remnant he is saving.

Rufus · Sunday at 1:23 PM

Genez said:

The "sons of God" are indeed the angels -- in fact those angels comprised the Divine Council.

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