Ukraine collapses -- NATO enters WW3 -- US/Iran war begins

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MeowFlower

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I think we know Biden isn't mentally fit so to actually be the one behind this.
Besides the question,why does the Ukraine require America's permission?

Meanwhile behind closed doors in the shadow American government: "What can we do to insure President Elect Trump inherits a '*hit storm on day one...?"

Yeahhhhh.

What defines a World War?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war#:~:text=A world war is an,be considered a "world war"

A world war is a war that involves most or all of the world's major powers. Some criteria that define a world war include:
Multiple nations: The conflict takes place between multiple nations across the globe.
Many locations: Battles are fought in many different locations.
Advanced technology: The war is fought against great powers with significantly advanced technology.
The two most well-known world wars are World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945). However, some historians have also characterized other global conflicts as world wars, including the Cold War, the War on Terror, and the Seven Years' War.
 

ZNP

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Yes, agree, it is not the people of the country wanting war .... I am meaning the state.



Iran does not have a military industrial complex to feed, the USA and its client state Israel does.
Iran is being supplied with weapons from Russia. Iran has been threatening to annihilate Israel for many years, Iran has a very scary nuclear missile technology. They are a legitimate threat. The population of the nations fighting against Israel right now outnumber Israel 10:1. The idea that Israel is the bully is absurd.

However, the idea that Israel is taking Iran's threats seriously and is calling them out now for this war is not absurd.
 

ZNP

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I think many are completely missing the point of North Korea sending troops to fight in Ukraine. They are fighting America and are being killed by America. You can't be at war with a nation, killing their soldiers and then claim it is unrighteous for them to attack you. What is happening right now has laid the ground work for Russia and North Korea to hit the US with a surprise nuclear attack. They don't have to declare war first because the US has already done that by killing their soldiers.
 

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Iran is being supplied with weapons from Russia. Iran has been threatening to annihilate Israel for many years, Iran has a very scary nuclear missile technology. They are a legitimate threat. The population of the nations fighting against Israel right now outnumber Israel 10:1. The idea that Israel is the bully is absurd.

However, the idea that Israel is taking Iran's threats seriously and is calling them out now for this war is not absurd.
Of course Americans are always indoctrinated into this view, Israel is just the innocent little country being bullied by all its neighbors and yet the words of its founders right from its inception deny this, they have always wanted all the land they feel promised to them from the Old Testament, took many years to convince the masses in the USA, they were the only victims,

but I guess they think now is their time to slaughter innocent children take Gaza and the West Bank and build resorts and homes even as their own citizens flee and their economy collapses.
 

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LIVE: Putin Warns NATO: ATACMS and Military Instructors in Ukraine Cross Escalation Line | TN World

 

ZNP

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Of course Americans are always indoctrinated into this view, Israel is just the innocent little country being bullied by all its neighbors and yet the words of its founders right from its inception deny this, they have always wanted all the land they feel promised to them from the Old Testament, took many years to convince the masses in the USA, they were the only victims,

but I guess they think now is their time to slaughter innocent children take Gaza and the West Bank and build resorts and homes even as their own citizens flee and their economy collapses.
With what judgment you judge you shall be judged.

If Gaza did not hide military bases under schools then Israel will be judged for treating the school as a military target, on the other hand if they did, Gaza will be judged. If terrorists didn't use women and children to kill people then Israel will be judged for treating women and children as possible terrorists. If they did then Gaza will be judged.

If you were an innocent person in Gaza and you saw they were putting military bases under schools and yet you continued to send your child to that school allowing them to be a shield to a terrorist organization then you will be judged for that. On the other hand if you had no idea that this was the case then you won't be judged for that.

If Israel attacked Gaza without provocation and without seeking peace they will be judged for that. On the other hand if they did seek peace and were rebuffed and if Gaza was the one that provoked Israel by terrorists attacks so that Israel was forced to defend their people then Gaza will be judged for that.

Ultimately God is the righteous judge. I am quite clear that I am not the judge and just as clear that you are not the judge. I have no issue with anyone who is an eyewitness in the trial and can add relevant information to inform God's judgment. However, simply pushing your narrative that people who do not share your perspective are indoctrinated, that diminishes everything you say by demonstrating that you are biased. Many of the eyewitnesses will be biased, no doubt a person in Gaza has a very different perspective than one in Israel. But, every judge and jury will take that into account.
 

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With what judgment you judge you shall be judged.

If Gaza did not hide military bases under schools then Israel will be judged for treating the school as a military target, on the other hand if they did, Gaza will be judged. If terrorists didn't use women and children to kill people then Israel will be judged for treating women and children as possible terrorists. If they did then Gaza will be judged.

If you were an innocent person in Gaza and you saw they were putting military bases under schools and yet you continued to send your child to that school allowing them to be a shield to a terrorist organization then you will be judged for that. On the other hand if you had no idea that this was the case then you won't be judged for that.

If Israel attacked Gaza without provocation and without seeking peace they will be judged for that. On the other hand if they did seek peace and were rebuffed and if Gaza was the one that provoked Israel by terrorists attacks so that Israel was forced to defend their people then Gaza will be judged for that.

Ultimately God is the righteous judge. I am quite clear that I am not the judge and just as clear that you are not the judge. I have no issue with anyone who is an eyewitness in the trial and can add relevant information to inform God's judgment. However, simply pushing your narrative that people who do not share your perspective are indoctrinated, that diminishes everything you say.
Does this apply as well to the actions of the SS in Nazi Germany?

You default to 'judgement" when it is actually about the true record and exposing it.

Believe as you will, however, unless we make judgements, uphold and apply the law to ALL nations that contravene the law even those with power we are doomed to repeating the same failures.
 

ZNP

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Does this apply as well to the actions of the SS in Nazi Germany?

You default to 'judgement" when it is actually about the true record and exposing it.

Believe as you will, however, unless we make judgements, uphold and apply the law to ALL nations that contravene the law even those with power we are doomed to repeating the same failures.
Of course this applies to the SS and the Nuremberg trials, and all those who have been prosecuted in a court of law and convicted.
 

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I think many are completely missing the point of North Korea sending troops to fight in Ukraine. They are fighting America and are being killed by America. You can't be at war with a nation, killing their soldiers and then claim it is unrighteous for them to attack you. What is happening right now has laid the ground work for Russia and North Korea to hit the US with a surprise nuclear attack. They don't have to declare war first because the US has already done that by killing their soldiers.
Biden in hell bent on that attack coming before Jan. 20 by allowing the use of US long range missiles.
No doubt Russian cities will be attacked.
 

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Biden in hell bent on that attack coming before Jan. 20 by allowing the use of US long range missiles.
No doubt Russian cities will be attacked.
I suspect that the globalists gave the Democrats a last chance to join the club by getting Kamala elected, but her failure to be elected dooms the US to this path to a catastrophic surprise attack on the US 100 times worse than 911.
 

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I believe the nations have already declared war on the US. The BRICS alliance and the vote in the UN recently against Israel. Was it done secretly, behind a curtain. Yes. But since then the alliance between Russia and Iran is out in the open and the alliance between Russia and N. Korea is out in the open, and it is also clear that China is part of this alliance as are all the nations in the BRICS alliance.

The illegals in the country are one thing that we can see, the cyber attacks are another, and the attempt to sow discord is a third.

The world has been bracing themselves for when their is no US dollar and no US superpower. No longer does the Mid East only sell oil in US dollars. No longer do they need US manufacturing or anything else we produce. The only thing of value the US has is farmland.
 

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I think it is ironic that we are doing the same thing Iran is doing as they fight Israel with these different terror groups.
We are fighting Iran thru Israel and Russia thru Ukraine.
 

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RUSSIA THREATENS UK, THE U.S. AND NATO WITH A NUCLEAR WAR BY CHRISTMAS IN A CHILLING WW3 WARNING

 

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RUSSIA THREATENS UK, THE U.S. AND NATO WITH A NUCLEAR WAR BY CHRISTMAS IN A CHILLING WW3 WARNING

it is very simple- if russia is attacked , they will fight back, with great force..
 

ZNP

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There is some good news here that people are ignoring. Biden did not authorize the attack on Russia with a 2am tweet. Phew!


"Putin will use weapons that will FLATTEN Ukraine if NATO does this" Fmr. UN Inspector Scott Ritter

According to Scott Ritter this order by Biden is a declaration of war on Russia by the US.
 

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LIVE | Ukrainian ATACMS Strike Hits Russian Military Facility in Bryansk Region | Times Now World
 
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Alex Jones Reveals How We’re Being Sucked Into A Three-Front Kinetic War

https://rumble.com/v3uwo0v-alex-jon...ng-sucked-into-a-three-front-kinetic-war.html

Footage from ABC news, images of the hostages, 46 drone and rocket attacks on the US bases. Biden and Xi meeting Nov 15th, max pressure on the US -- War in Europe, war in the Mideast, and now China turns the screws on Taiwan. Biden gave away Afghanistan, why? Whatever they have on him to blackmail him, they will be using to get Taiwan as well.

Anyone still think McCarthy is a republican? We had the evidence that would have removed Biden but he sat on it and now Biden is in a position to give away Taiwan.

"There is a giant double cross here that sends chills up my spine". Alex Jones
Alex Jones? Why are you listening to anything this clown says?