God's Elect: This Ends Any Debate

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Dec 18, 2021
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I'm sick of your ridiculous charge, pumping my chest. How young are you?
59 years young. And I am sick of your rediculous doctrine of fatalism denying Gods true love and savation by grace through faith.

You can't accept what Jesus taught. End of discussion.
i accept it quite well. i just reject your interpretation of what he taught.
 
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There's scripture in the Old Testament that tells us the sins of the father do not pass to the sons. Everyone is responsible for their own sins.

Then there are verses that tell us about generational sin.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/generational_sin


Sin entered this world by one man. Only because God planted a tree and made it off limits. His enemy entered Eden.

God is Sovereign and has Dominion.

Sin did not have to enter his creation.
I make choices everyday that do not line of with God’s sovereign will for my life. I am responsible. We have freedom to choose.
 

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I make choices everyday that do not line of with God’s sovereign will for m⁷y life. I am responsible. We have freedom to choose.
Just as proverbs tells you. Man plans his way but God sets his steps.

Predeterminis., Fatalism, Predestination. It's all God.

Acts 1, Ephesians 1:11, and more.

All things happen according to God's will and plan.
 

John146

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Just as proverbs tells you. Man plans his way but God sets his steps.

Predeterminis., Fatalism, Predestination. It's all God.

Acts 1, Ephesians 1:11, and more.

All things happen according to God's will and plan.
Man is responsible for nothing, got it.
 
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Just as proverbs tells you. Man plans his way but God sets his steps.

Predeterminis., Fatalism, Predestination. It's all God.

Acts 1, Ephesians 1:11, and more.

All things happen according to God's will and plan.
God’s omnipotence means that He can do everything except “disown Himself” or not be God (2TM 2:13). It does NOT mean that God can perform logical absurdities, such as creating a rock too large for Him to move. Omnipotence or sovereignty also means that human volition has limits with regard to how it can contradict God’s will. God provides morally competent humans the ability to resist His intentional will and plan of salvation (POS) within limits, such as the time limit that will end with death, resurrection (the last miracle) and judgment (per HB 9:27)–called His permissive will.

God’s power is equivalent to His omniscience. Jeremiah wrote that “God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom.” (JR 10:12) Omniscience includes knowledge of people’s thoughts (PS 94:11, MT 12:25) and the foreknowledge of events (ACTS 2:23, RM 8:29, 11:2, 1PT 1:2). Some people think that God even knows what a person will be/do before that person exists (JR 1:5). If this view is correct, it must be maintained that God’s foreknowledge does not predetermine a person’s spiritual choice regarding the satisfaction of God’s requirement for salvation or else moral responsibility would be abrogated. I find it simpler to think that God merely tweaks the river of history occasionally to keep if flowing in the direction He intends but allows the fish to swim as they wish. God allows eddies in the river of salvation.

God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ). Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (PS 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16).

Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love. Hebrews 12:4-11 offers the clue for harmonizing these two themes. This passage indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline: to teach people to repent of their hatefulness or faithlessness (PR 3:12, IS 33:14-15 RV 3:19) before they die, after which divine wrath will be experienced justly without the opportunity for repentance. Of course, because God is loving and just, He does not tempt, trick, confuse or otherwise contribute to anyone’s sinfulness. On the contrary, God must be doing all that He can do without abrogating justice or volition (MFW) to influence people not to be deceived and become self-condemned (JM 1:13-17, TIT 3:11, IS 45:19).

This realization should steer us away from the problematic opinion (a la Augustine via John Calvin) that God predestines most people for hell and lead us to affirm free will as a paradoxical truth (DT 30:19). This truth is paradoxical, because it affirms both that God is sovereign and that God chooses not to control moral thinking, because doing so would nullify human responsibility for sin, making the biblical revelation of salvation based on repentance irrelevant and absurd.
 
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Just as proverbs tells you. Man plans his way but God sets his steps.

Predeterminis., Fatalism, Predestination. It's all God.

Acts 1, Ephesians 1:11, and more.

All things happen according to God's will and plan.
so God had hitler kill those millions of Jews. its Gods fault not Hitlers.

people just amaze me how they have a belief system yet fail to think it through and just take it as gospel truth.
 

John146

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Just as proverbs tells you. Man plans his way but God sets his steps.

Predeterminis., Fatalism, Predestination. It's all God.

Acts 1, Ephesians 1:11, and more.

All things happen according to God's will and plan.
The believer will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to give an account for his works whether good or bad.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.