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AnandaHya
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ok i get your comments now, Zone. before I read this post I was trying to figure out the implied meanings and tone but yeah....after reading this I get it...with the references of HW and credit and citing sources and all.....
Ok Red do you know what true intimate fellowship really is? do you seek it in these forums?
I'm going to see what other post I might have missed....
Predestined, 1000 year reign hmm <stands up>
Looks to the left and looks to the right. Well i by no means can say 100% either way. I do believe that faith, hope and love abide. The greatest of these is love. <clears his throat>
Lamentations 2:14 HCSB "Your prophets saw visions for you that were empty and deceptive; they did not reveal your guilt and so restore your fortunes. They saw oracles for you that were empty and misleading."
Habakkuk 3:2 HCSB "Lord, I have heard the report about you; Lord, I stand in awe of Your deeds. Revive Your work in these years; make it known in these years. In Your wrath remember mercy!"
Mark 4:3-8 HCSB Jesus says "Listen! Consider the sower who went out to sow. As he(she) sowed this occured: Some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Other seed fell on rocky ground where it didn't have much soil, and it sprang up right away, since it didn't have deep soil, When the sun came up, it was scorched, and since it didn't have a root it withered. Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it, and it didn't produce a crop. Still others fell on good ground and produced a crop that increased 30, 60, and 100 times what was sown."
Looks to the left and looks to the right. Well i by no means can say 100% either way. I do believe that faith, hope and love abide. The greatest of these is love. <clears his throat>
Lamentations 2:14 HCSB "Your prophets saw visions for you that were empty and deceptive; they did not reveal your guilt and so restore your fortunes. They saw oracles for you that were empty and misleading."
Habakkuk 3:2 HCSB "Lord, I have heard the report about you; Lord, I stand in awe of Your deeds. Revive Your work in these years; make it known in these years. In Your wrath remember mercy!"
Mark 4:3-8 HCSB Jesus says "Listen! Consider the sower who went out to sow. As he(she) sowed this occured: Some seed fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Other seed fell on rocky ground where it didn't have much soil, and it sprang up right away, since it didn't have deep soil, When the sun came up, it was scorched, and since it didn't have a root it withered. Other seed fell among thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it, and it didn't produce a crop. Still others fell on good ground and produced a crop that increased 30, 60, and 100 times what was sown."
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AnandaHya
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Satan is NOT their power. Satan is not all powerful and gets his power from his disciples which why he seeks to gain followers,
while in contrast GOD gives power to his disciples.
you see Satan has no power except lies and deception but he or his minions can pervert people who God has given power and duties to do his will instead of God's. His minions can work without him directing them. just as men can sin without anyone tell them to do evil.
Some of the fallen angels used to be in power over nations of the world but were removed when they had people worship THEM instead of GOD who created the universe.
What is a commander without his army if not just a mere man?
What is JESUS without us? HE is still LORD and Savior.
What is Satan without his army? a defeated Dragon.
What is the army without a commander? a bunch of armed men itching for a fight who most likely will become robbers with no self control or direction
What are believers of Jesus without the HOLY SPIRIT leading them? a bunch of people arguing about words and ideas and showing no love, light or understanding of God.
sorry I think I need to go pray are something.
hey EG can we continue this on a different thread?
we have vastly different readings of scriptures.
you mentioned you saw the danger on dispensional philosiphy could you list them?
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Huh? Not pre-trib?
Whats this then:
"She (the wife) is given fine linen. I believe this multitude is the raptured church that was secure during the judgment of the harlot.
Next: Heaven opens!! Christ returns to earth."
He is not bound....binding of satan comes after the return of Christ. Read Rev. 19-20-21 over and over until this sinks in.dont get caught up in false doctrine. Satan is very much alive and kicking he aint going nowhere until Jesus returns.
No one said satan is not alive and kicking. We said he's bound from deceiving the nations and bringing them to battle against the saints.
You are held accountable because you gave in to the TEMPTER.
Of course he's not. He's not God. He has an army.
You havnt proven that at all. You've found one verse that talks about sin but doesnt mention satan.
Satan caused sin right from Adam and Eve. He is the evil of the world. If your kid says satan made me do it, then tell 'em not to give in to his TEMPTATION.
Still going for the same line?
Satan has his children to do his work for him.
You underestimate him.
Who else is gonna tempt but the TEMPTER or his agents?
Ok....one more time.
Never in the history of the world has EVERY nation on earth been deceived into gathering their armies and making war against the CHURCH. Thats what satan is bound from doing.
You dont like the bibles definition of bound....so you make up your own.
We are lucky to be in a free nations. If we were like most nations. we would not be able to do what we are doing here for fear of death. And satan is bound?? Whatever
You keep hurting your case dude. Your pushing me farther and farther from even contemplated your belief.
List of countries where Christians have to live in secret please?
<raise's hand>
Wow Zone i never noticed that before.
Luke 17:21 HCSB "no one will say Look here! or There! For you see the kingdom of God is among you."
Luke 17:21 NWT "neither will people be saying, See here! or, There! For look! the kingdom of God is in YOUR midst."
Luke 17:21 NRSV "nor will they say, Look, here it is! or There it is! For, in fact, the kingdom of God is among you."
Luke 17:21 KJV "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold the kingdom of God is within you."
Wow, I had no idea this was like this. Guess I am gonna return to the KJV being my root. This is insane. Jesus says in his gospel I stand at the door and knock.
Wow, i have always feared God my whole life even when I was younger because I knew God the Father was watching me. I would let people hit me and beat me because I knew God would be mad at me if I hit them back. This is truly amazing.
When I was 22 years old I said the sinners prayer and invited Jesus Christ into my heart and He came in and healed me took away my desire to smoke cigarettes like that. Every time in my life that I would back-slide and get into doing things God didn't want me to do I would start smoking cigarettes again. Every time I would repent and turn back to Jesus for what ever I was doing wrong I would immediatly stop smoking cigerettes again.
Perhaps the reason for this is when I got saved and asked Christ Jesus into my heart I had a dream that night I saw Jesus (my interptation of what I thought he looked like) walking through an old timey village dressed in white, followed by others dressed in white. He walked upto me and offered me a pack of malboro light cigarettes i reached out to grab them and He Jesus dropped them and stepped on them. Then the dream changed and I was in a old timey bathtub rinsing myself in blood. Jesus's Holy Precious Blood.
Since then I have had other dreams with Jesus in them: I was walking and praiseing yeshua what I thought was the name of Jesus. Jesus was sitting on a rock i walked up and said Hi Jesus he said "Cameran why are you so selfish?" then i woke up.
Another time i was walking and Jesus walked upto me and I said Jesus how am I doing Jesus said "Well your not so selfish anymore."
Thanks Zone has been a eye opener.
how do I link to facebook my name is Cameran Bowles on facebook please invite as a friend or I can invite you.
The prayer i said was pretty simple: Lord Jesus i am a sinner and i ask that you, Jesus come into my heart and fix me. In the name of Jesus.
Hmm I see your point Yea I called out to God before I went to the carpentor's church.
Not sure is there a reason you shouldn't pray the sinner's prayer?
The prayer i said was pretty simple: Lord Jesus i am a sinner and i ask that you, Jesus come into my heart and fix me. In the name of Jesus.
Hmm I see your point Yea I called out to God before I went to the carpentor's church.
Not sure is there a reason you shouldn't pray the sinner's prayer?
ok i get your comments now, Zone. before I read this post I was trying to figure out the implied meanings and tone but yeah....after reading this I get it...with the references of HW and credit and citing sources and all.....
I'm going to see what other post I might have missed....
OKAY! you got it.
lunch at Abidings!
(we gotta do something about that continuationist thingee....it just doesn't fit right, girl)
don't worry Fenceman.
The Holy Spirit leads us. i'm sure that's what that was.
some folks do it when the emotions are runnin high and its REVIVAL TIME IN THE BIG TENT.
then nuthin comes from it.
don't worry bud.
but Fencybud
KJV is the one with the error.
none of the translations are inspired, they have errors.
now that you know it's AMONG YOU, or IN YOUR MIDST, it shouldn't matter.
but do correct it when you hear it because its been used to say God is IN ALL MEN.
zonest
wow Fencemeister
does this mean you understand the apostolic era offices and miraculous gifts ceased with the apostles?
and that now faith hope and love remain?
*expectantly*
Warfield - Counterfeit Miracles
ok i get your comments now, Zone. before I read this post I was trying to figure out the implied meanings and tone but yeah....after reading this I get it...with the references of HW and credit and citing sources and all.....
Ok Red do you know what true intimate fellowship really is? do you seek it in these forums?
I'm going to see what other post I might have missed....
I have, OVER and OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN when referring to a pastor-teacher have been emphatic that they are those who GOD HAS RAISED UP AND GIVEN TO THE CHURCH, not a self appointed pastor, not one that desires that office but was never called by God's grace, but those pastors that were promised to the church are after God's own heart and will feed you with knowledge and understanding (Jer 3:15). These pastor-teachers that God has called are the ones that have been given for the purpose stated in (Eph 4:11-16). They are the elders that rule well and labour in the word and doctrine and are worthy of DOUBLE honour (1Tim 5:17) and are to be obeyed (Heb 13:17).
These are the ones that look out for your soul and have to give an account of those that they have been placed over in the Lord (Heb 13:17). These are the pastor-teachers I am talking about and have always talked about. These pastor-teachers are given to the church and believers have to discern who they are, seek them out and put themselves under them through humility (1Pt 5:5,6). Through the word and the Holy Spirit in you, providing he has not been grieved, will witness as to those who have been raised up of God (Rom 8:16, 1Jn 5:6,8). They will teach the apostles' doctrine, though they be imperfect men and not women. Sorry ladies, but you will not be called or be given an office as a pastor-teacher for the church, that is for men only and the word and Spirit should also witness of that truth in you so that you don't usurp authority over a man.
If these men for any reason get off in what they teach or through personal sin, I have mentioned OVER and OVER how God will correct them and restore them in that placement they have been given for the church and how believers are to respond to their pastor-teacher in those situations. They do not betray or expose or accuse or slander or malign them at any time, even if they backslide. I point to what God thinks of those He raises up as He did with Moses and what happened to his sister Mariam when she was critical of him marrying the Ethiopian woman (Numbers 12). Don't some of you think it to be a bit unfair for Mariam to be given leprosy and sent outside the camp for (7) days and not Aaron also who had also spoke against Moses marrying the Ethiopian woman? Do any of you know why that might be? Look also at what the Lord said to Moses in (v.14)...
And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again.
*footnote; this chapter is also a lesson of instruction to those who were prophets and those that God calls to be His servant.
Then we have the record of what God did to those that gave evil reports and who complained and murmured against Moses and Aaron, WHO GOD CALLED. The evil reports were those given that were not based on the promise of God. I often wonder how many of us, who profess to be redeemed by the blood of Christ, would have murmured and complained about the living conditions in the wilderness, their families not getting enough to eat, (especially the children) and always thinking that God was going to abandon them to die in the wilderness, even though they had been led by fire in the night and a cloud by day and had been given manna from heaven. However, they continued to murmur and complain in their situation and God blotted them from the book and destroyed them from entering into the promised land.
The only true intimate fellowship that we can have as believers comes from worshiping God in spirit and truth in the body of Christ. Anything else falls short and is not from above. Independent believers that live outside God's living organism, the body of Christ, can never have the kind of worship and fellowship that God's desires, nor can they be led or filled with the Spirit in their walk with God. They can have knowledge but it will be without grace and the love of God and will profit them nothing. Intimate fellowship is according to (Eph 3:9-21)...
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. 14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named , 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think , according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.