McMartin Preschool & Occult Ritual Abuse

[ValleyAnt]

I had to look up the McMartin preschool.I've grow up in a similar situation.Things like this all trace back to a lot of the churches Christians attend.That's where the illuminati is.Where ever there is people a Church is built for the illuminati.And you wonder why there's so many lukewarm Christians in the world.They hiding under the Churches.I've been there unwillingly and it's even biblical.
The one I went to had a closed foyer at the main entrance that you had to walk into to get to the Church itself.A lot of Churches have a foyer like how I'm talking about.as regular Church goers enter the foyer there will be one or two pastors/deacons in the foyer 'greeting' people.
Satanists will loiter in the foyer and if there's regulars loitering with them the pastor/deacon will usher them to the church sittings saying the service is about to start and then close the door behind them as they enter the main church.When the coast is clear the pastor will open a secret door and those in the cult will enter and go down the church.

They hate Christians with a passion.It is like wolves leading the sheep into the pen for the slaughter.It's a spiritual death for most of them cause God will spew them out of his mouth.

I can confirm that this happens, if not from experience then from impartial reasoning. I was in a Rochester, NY church years ago where satanists were uncovered. They were five plants in the church and had been entrenched undetected for 15 years at the time. The current pastors had been there 11 years. I heard the previous pastor had been a satanist plant as well. While I was still going to that church, a ministry couple from Germany came to visit. God exposed them after they left as satanist plants who had come to curse the church after their compadres were discovered (look up Wegman's grocery stores for the link between people in New York and Germany).

That Rochester church was a small church, about 30 people on a good day, so why were so many satanists concentrated there? (Five resident in the church and two more coming to visit after the five were uncovered.) For that church, the reason was because the pastor's wife ministered to occult survivors, therefore, it was logical to expect that satanists would target their church. They constrict the life of God in all the churches they're assigned to which is practically every church. They've been successful for many years. Some day things will start to turn around and God will intervene in the institutional church system where occult plants are a massive problem.

 

[shittim]

Scripture is written in such a way that anyone can interpret almost anything almost any way. Focusing on things above has nothing to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. God charges humanity to love one another not just christians though the command to believers is much stricter.

In Amos 5, God tells Israel to stop 'focusing on Him' and to instead focus on their fellowmen. In Micah 6, God tells His people that-- contrary to religious belief-- if they put their fellowmen first rather than putting God first, they will by that be doing God's will. And in 1John 4, John tells believers that it is impossible for them to love God who they haven't seen if they don't first love their fellow believers (and fellowmen) who they can see.

Before Jesus ascended, He gave His followers instructions on what to do. The first one was to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit. Ie. they were to focus on things down here because nothing 'up there' needs restoration; it's all things 'down here' that need restoration and people here who need to be saved. In Acts 1, when Jesus ascended, His disciples were gazing after Him. Who wouldn't? Elisha gazed after Elijah. It's our natural bent to 'look upwards'. But two angels appeared and said to them, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." The disciples then stopped gazing 'up there' and began to do what Jesus told them to do 'down here' which the angels were indirectly encouraging them to do. We can translate what the angels said this way to better understand in this context: "You guys don't need to be focusing 'up there'. That will become your focus but at a later time. Your focus needs to be around you, right here where you live."

While most people, like Cain for Abel, reject the sense of responsibility God naturally designed into them for their fellowmen, God's mandate to all people is to live with a sense of responsibility for their fellowmen. This is the baseline of what being a human is and is also one of the baselines for godliness. It's common sense. This mandate is much greater and more obligatory for christians: Jesus added a third 'great command' specifically for His Church stating, "As I have loved you, so you must love one another" (Jn. 13). This command is only for christians. christians, particularly, who reject this mandate are in extreme conflict with God and are rolling the dice. I think it's best to do what you know is right here and now than to disregard it and secretly hope that God isn't holy and to be feared but, rather, is nice and weak. I personally take God fairly seriously, and I think for christians that disregarding the 'first three/great commandments' is a very, very bad idea.

From scripture "we" Are not to interpret much of anything, we are to take ALL THINGS to Him for His guidance in ALL truth. That is the difference between a true believer and one who only has an outward form of Godliness, denying the power.

 

[loveme1]

Our Lord cast out devils..

I think we overlook the darkness and how it presents in this world.

GOD is Almighty and the battle is won.

In the mean time it is not far fetched to think people willfully partake in darkness.

We have been conditioned to call people crazy for speaking up.

Society is conditioned and many voices have been silenced.

Misinform and create falsehood to cover up deeds. The way of the world at present.

 

[Moses_Young]

Sound like the answer to my questions then is no, you can't present any solid proof of satanic ritual abuse, only stories; or the words of therapists who analyze what is reported by their clients, not solid evidence.

There's plenty of evidence of corrupt, complicit police and justice system to the highest levels. Honest investigators committing "suicide". Statues to demons are now worshipped in public and defended by corrupt courts, and you still can't believe Satanic abuse is occurring in secret? How will anyone be able to trust you about anything, if you can't see something so obvious, or are so stubborn as not to conduct even the most rudimentary of investigations?

If someone reports being ritually abused then we should try to get facts. If no facts can be obtained we should still love that person and not shy away; but we shouldn't automatically assume what they say is true.

This is what has led many to believe this to be true. Obviously, to assume anything anyone says is true would be silly. But to presume it is false simply because all the witnesses or investigators mysteriously "commit suicide" is similar folly.

 

[ValleyAnt]

There's plenty of evidence of corrupt, complicit police and justice system to the highest levels./QUOTE]

The ongoing Diddy case is actually reaching into the realm of ritual abuse. Several victims have publicly told of some of the satanic aspects of the Diddy enterprise. Changes are coming, and ritual abuse will eventually be exposed to the public and the common man more than it has been before.

 

[MeowFlower]

So, the topic of satanic/occult ritual abuse has been heavily suppressed and also heavily denied in the US. What are your thoughts on the issue and where the church factors in?

The thread title is unfair to truth. McMartin was a hoax that cost many victims a great deal.

https://medium.com/@ticklethebeastc...ng-the-satanic-ritual-abuse-hoax-66150cb89481

The Satanic Panic produced a great number of such victims.
It's a tragedy.

 

[ValleyAnt]

The thread title is unfair to truth. McMartin was a hoax that cost many victims a great deal.

https://medium.com/@ticklethebeastc...ng-the-satanic-ritual-abuse-hoax-66150cb89481

The Satanic Panic produced a great number of such victims.
It's a tragedy.

I'm not here to argue. Truth speaks for itself, so let's allow everyone to investigate this topic and others for themselves without trying to steer or control people's thoughts, beliefs, and feelings on the issue. As we near the end of time, the light of discovery is only growing larger. It will eventually shine a light into every nook and cranny, and everything that exists-- good and bad-- will be visible for everyone to see and acknowledge.

Look for my post 'Exposing Occultism in Church' later tonight.

 

[MeowFlower]

I'm not here to argue. Truth speaks for itself, so let's allow everyone to investigate this topic and others for themselves without trying to steer or control people's thoughts, beliefs, and feelings on the issue. As we near the end of time, the light of discovery is only growing larger. It will eventually shine a light into every nook and cranny, and everything that exists-- good and bad-- will be visible for everyone to see and acknowledge.

Look for my post 'Exposing Occultism in Church' later tonight.

I'm not here to argue either.

Everyone is entitled to the truth of the matter. And the truth of the matter as pertains to the McMartin school issue is, it was a hoax. Proven so.

That topic was investigated and proven to be a lie.

 

[MeowFlower]

What was the Satanic Panic?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Satanic-Panic.html

"....The general consensus about the Satanic Panic is that it was based on mostly unfounded fears and media hype. Looking back on the Satanic Panic from a biblical perspective, we can cite some lessons learned. One primary lesson is that we must not be too eager to allege (or believe allegations of) satanic or demonic activity. Instead, we should “examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil” (1 Thessalonians 5:21–22, NASB). Thus, only after we have confirmed any testimony or claim to be true should we evaluate the content of that claim, in order to assess whether it represents a good or evil state of affairs."


A person known by various pseudonyms has promoted the Satanic Panic fear for years on Christian forums.

In one case they claimed one of their handlers was the Nazi Josef Mengele.

The 80's and 90's Satanic Panic started in Canada with the publication of a book alleging a girls diary reported ritual Satanic abuse over years. It too was proven a hoax.

Yes, there are warped people in this world. However we cannot take every claim that it was Satan at face value. And we certainly cannot claim to want the truth if we proceed in that venture by promoting a falsehood so to get the panic conversation started here.

 

[shittim]

I'm not here to argue either.

Everyone is entitled to the truth of the matter. And the truth of the matter as pertains to the McMartin school issue is, it was a hoax. Proven so.

That topic was investigated and proven to be a lie.

greed, many were hurt in that hoax

 

[ValleyAnt]

greed, many were hurt in that hoax

Solomon said, "The first one to plead his case seems right, until another comes and cross-examines him" (Pro. 18:17). Of course, this principle has broader applications than just the first person; in broader application: one person or group or side might seem right until the truth is exposed. If the McMartin case was re-tried without any backroom deals or fraud or cover-up or suppression or lies of any kind. Well.

There are only two types of people on earth:

A.) Lawyers. These people choose a side and defend it, often till death, and routinely pass judgments on any and everyone and on any and everything. They choose a side (eg. prosecution vs. defense, Democrat vs. Republican, pro-life vs. pro-choice, christians can have demons vs. christians can't have demons, McMartin Preschool allegations were real vs. McMartin Preschool allegations were false, etc.) and build up defenses (reasonings, arguments, justifications as to why they chose the side they did) so no one can extricate them from their position or belief. The religious leaders who hated Jesus were all lawyers (eg. they condemned Him simply because they didn't like His way of 'doing religion'). Most people, possibly about 90% of the world population, fall into this category.

B.) Judges. These people don't take sides; they are impartial and are only on the side of facts and so, unlike the first group, are eager and willing to hear both (or all) sides to an issue before making a judgment. The religious leaders who loved Jesus were all judges (eg. while the religious leaders were condemning Jesus, Nicodemus said to them, "Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?"). Unfortunately, very few people are judges. I encourage you to be a judge, just like the Bereans were, and to research things thoroughly until you have enough proof to build an indestructible case. (The beginning of that proof is simply having the truth.)

My favorite passage about being a judge (rather than a lawyer) is "Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts" (1Cor. 4). 'Judge' there really means 'sentence'. We all judge 24/7, even while sleeping, so it's not simply saying to not judge. It's saying [no matter how you judge] don't pass a sentence. Only the judge (Jesus) is allowed to sentence. As humans, we should depend on Jesus to judge things that we don't really know. Depending on other people or ourselves isn't a good idea, especially on important issues. Occult ritual abuse (and its allegations) is an important issue. The fact is that all the real articles about McMartin, articles saying the children were right, have been scrubbed off the internet (maybe you can find one doing a deep search). Why would there be so many articles denying the allegations and no articles backing the allegations? Even the two pages I'd bookmarked, articles on the uncovered tunnels that confirmed the allegations, have been scrubbed. Here's one of them:

1.) http://www.religioustolerance.org/tunnels.htm.

But I've come bearing gifts via some people connected to the McMartin Preschool case and who still retain the original story as well as articles about it. As you have time:

2.) The McMartin Tunnels: https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/...-dr-roland-c-summit-journal-of-psychohistory/.

3.) The Cover-Up: https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/...ol-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/.

Truth is friendly and sounds comforting to christians who love truth. It is harsh and threatening to anyone who hates truth or who doesn't want to live in the light of God's Word. Use your spiritual discernment. You don't even need spiritual discernment here; God gave everyone a soul and a spirit and even when unregenerated, your spirit can still discern (not as well) and the natural intuition in your spirit and soul will let you know if the above McMartin articles are true as opposed to contradicting articles that say, "It was all a panic." Indeed it caused a panic; in the enemy's camp.