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2 Corinthians 10:5
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
unfortunately dispensationalism has set itself up against the knowledge of God, so.......Covenant and Amillennial believers tend to desire to tear down that stronghold....and tear it down we shall.
Mocking and scoffing and making fun of others is an easy thing for the flesh to do. We see it all the time in the world, especially by those that call themselves today's comedians, intellectuals or Hollywood types (HT). When a believer does it to others it is no different and it comes from the same spirit of the world. It's part of the lust of the flesh and of the eyes (understanding) and especially the PRIDE OF LIFE. The PRIDE OF LIFE is the one that is of the world that more believes fall into that keeps them from bearing fruit.
Many of you that are caught up in this spirit agree with some of the things that these comedians, intellectuals and (HT) say about Christians and what they believe. 'Now ain't that the truth', you say. You can relate to their ridicule and mocking spirit but when you do, is the love of the Father in you (1Jn 2:15)? When you agree or relate to this ridicule all in the name of having fun, you are identifying with all these lustful things that will pass away (1Jn 2:17), but you are not doing the will of God nor are you maintaining good works in your faith (Titus 3:8,14).
When you mock those who have passed on (or still living by grace) and have contributed much to the church you have done it unto Christ. Jesus had more mockers on this planet then any man that has ever lived, but great was His reward in heaven and so shall be theirs. They have fruit unto God, do you? You scoff at what you are ignorant of and do not have as grace and knowledge in your heart. You belittle those that have been given by grace specific doctrine that is part of the whole counsel of God, because you have never been taught by a pastor-teacher that God has raised up for the church. The more that you mock the more you will bring that out in others, especially among those that have personality rapport through being undisciplined and unskillful in the words of righteousness.
Many of you that are caught up in this spirit agree with some of the things that these comedians, intellectuals and (HT) say about Christians and what they believe. 'Now ain't that the truth', you say. You can relate to their ridicule and mocking spirit but when you do, is the love of the Father in you (1Jn 2:15)? When you agree or relate to this ridicule all in the name of having fun, you are identifying with all these lustful things that will pass away (1Jn 2:17), but you are not doing the will of God nor are you maintaining good works in your faith (Titus 3:8,14).
When you mock those who have passed on (or still living by grace) and have contributed much to the church you have done it unto Christ. Jesus had more mockers on this planet then any man that has ever lived, but great was His reward in heaven and so shall be theirs. They have fruit unto God, do you? You scoff at what you are ignorant of and do not have as grace and knowledge in your heart. You belittle those that have been given by grace specific doctrine that is part of the whole counsel of God, because you have never been taught by a pastor-teacher that God has raised up for the church. The more that you mock the more you will bring that out in others, especially among those that have personality rapport through being undisciplined and unskillful in the words of righteousness.
You let us know when you find that little church that you can isolate yourself with and have the liberty to critique the preachers message and make sure he knows when he's not preaching the doctrine you want to hear. That little church that has nothing and goes no where because the grace of God is not moving in them mightily though the Spirit. Women cause more problems in the church because they think they know something more than the preacher. Even if they did, God would not honor those women because their heart is not right.
U
If you're referring to who I suspect you are Crossfire, you couldn't be more wrong. My good and dear friend Zone may be a mamma bear in regards to defending the truth of God's Word ..... but their is not an inkling of "self" in her entire being. And never once has she nor would she ever proclaim herself to be anything unaligned in accordance to God's Word ..... unlike many men here who profess to be prophets or apostles or whatever the case might be. She is a well-read, well-studied woman. And she speaks the absolute truth of the Word. Your assessment of her rings hollow ...... and reeks of one (by it's condescending nature) who has no answers for the truth in Christ which she so vehemently proclaims.
I agree with you that zone's intentions are honorable, and there is no self-promotion in her posts.
She thinks she is doing good, taking a firm stand against everything she believes is the truth.
But she does not speak the absolute truth of the Word.
I'm not saying I do, but I am certain she does not.
She thinks she is doing good, taking a firm stand against everything she believes is the truth.
But she does not speak the absolute truth of the Word.
I'm not saying I do, but I am certain she does not.
hi bud!
you know, if you just spent one (1) day setting aside your presuppositions on how God deals with men: COVENANTS VS DISPENSATIONS, you would soon see that covenant theology is the truth.
and if you just took one (1) day and researched names like Darby, Scofield & UNTERMYER you'd see that their new system is a complete forgery and imported into the Biblical texts.
you would see that the silly and embarassing concept of a pretribulation rapture they added(for a very good reason) is just smoke and mirrors.
if you went back to the first few posts, there's an audio sermon there that exegetes Rev 20 - the tiny chapter that has caused so much division contrary to what the apostles and Jesus taught....if you just reasoned for a couple of hours on how a literal 1,000 years would work in a millennial scenario (it wouldn't, for all would know the nano-second of every event millennialists claim takes place! including their future binding and releasing of satan to deceive - how could he deceive when everybody would know the last week of the 1,000 years?)
Jesus taught TWO WORLDS....this world we now live in...and the WORLD TO COME (eternity). no future 1,000 years Shroomer. there's no future 1,000 years taught ANYWHERE.
but the Pharisees need it......presto! enter untemyer/scofield.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come
Mark 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life
best to you
zonest.
you know, if you just spent one (1) day setting aside your presuppositions on how God deals with men: COVENANTS VS DISPENSATIONS, you would soon see that covenant theology is the truth.
and if you just took one (1) day and researched names like Darby, Scofield & UNTERMYER you'd see that their new system is a complete forgery and imported into the Biblical texts.
you would see that the silly and embarassing concept of a pretribulation rapture they added(for a very good reason) is just smoke and mirrors.
if you went back to the first few posts, there's an audio sermon there that exegetes Rev 20 - the tiny chapter that has caused so much division contrary to what the apostles and Jesus taught....if you just reasoned for a couple of hours on how a literal 1,000 years would work in a millennial scenario (it wouldn't, for all would know the nano-second of every event millennialists claim takes place! including their future binding and releasing of satan to deceive - how could he deceive when everybody would know the last week of the 1,000 years?)
Jesus taught TWO WORLDS....this world we now live in...and the WORLD TO COME (eternity). no future 1,000 years Shroomer. there's no future 1,000 years taught ANYWHERE.
but the Pharisees need it......presto! enter untemyer/scofield.
Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come
Mark 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life
best to you
zonest.
It is very possible for someone to be so wrong and so misguided and not even know it because they have been blinded by their own zeal. The Jews were binded by their own zeal and some believers are also who have taken a wrong turn with knowledge. In (Rom 10:2) it is zeal according to knowledge that is not precise or correct. The church at Corinth was blinded by their own zeal for the gifts and it produced contention, much confusion and chaos (1Cor 14). With all the labour and time that Zone has put into her study, she is not willing to forsake any of her conclusions, yet, those that may have laboured more abundantly than her, she has no problem condemning and even mocking their conclusions. She is an obsessed believer in her zeal with the knowledge she has acquired that is full of conspiracies and accusations against those she disagrees. This has damaged her faith whether he confesses it or not.
but red
a
Reformed
Covenant
Amillennial
Cessationist
church would be feeding the sheep.andthere are lots of them. i've offered you sermons, and links to their sites. but you're not interested.
there would be nothing to critique the pastor on.
he would (and does) preach the message i want to hear - for it is Truth.
i would direct you to all the Reformed Churches in America, and all their good pastor-teachers.
drop by and tell them there is no grace and God is not moving in their churches.
they might listen to you. many of them would sympathize for they were once like you.
a
Reformed
Covenant
Amillennial
Cessationist
church would be feeding the sheep.andthere are lots of them. i've offered you sermons, and links to their sites. but you're not interested.
there would be nothing to critique the pastor on.
he would (and does) preach the message i want to hear - for it is Truth.
i would direct you to all the Reformed Churches in America, and all their good pastor-teachers.
drop by and tell them there is no grace and God is not moving in their churches.
they might listen to you. many of them would sympathize for they were once like you.
Not only does it sound good, but it is good and it is right but you reject it and throw it down. The word will judge all of us in the last days and your no exception. You have a serious problem with the possibility of being wrong in your knowledge and judgment and you put faith in your understanding that comes from the wrong knowledge and you reject others who don't, that is why you are blinded by our own zeal and it makes you dull of hearing just like the Jews. DULL!
Too difficult to tell the difference Redster.
(2 Corinthians 11:12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
(2 Corinthians 11:13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(2 Corinthians 11:14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(2 Corinthians 11:15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Hey..I got an idea...we could test their doctrine against the scriptures!
(2 Corinthians 11:12) But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
(2 Corinthians 11:13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(2 Corinthians 11:14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(2 Corinthians 11:15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Hey..I got an idea...we could test their doctrine against the scriptures!
U
Interesting that you would say this Red. Because what the church at Corinth was at the time of Paul's letter to her is exactly what Zone also speaks against. If it's "conspiracies" you want to discuss, I say we start with the greatest conspiracy about to befall mankind ....... that being the false signs and wonders of the anti-Christ to come and who may well already be waiting in the wings. And if we think that this can or will be accomplished without the assistance of deceived "believers", we are fooling ourselves. Exactly what is "damaged faith or a damaged church" Red but a faith/church that emulates one that stood in need of correction by one of Christ's apostles ?
Observe the MEGACHURCH mentality.
According to Red, a church is only godly if its got LOTS OF STUFF and is a mover and shaker and climbing the ladder of MATERIALISM.
(2 Peter 2:3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
(Revelation 18:11) And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
According to Red, a church is only godly if its got LOTS OF STUFF and is a mover and shaker and climbing the ladder of MATERIALISM.
(2 Peter 2:3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
(Revelation 18:11) And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: