Biden Harris give Ukraine missiles to strike Russia

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cv5

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Yeah .... And people are acting like Ukraine isn't supposed to fight back.
Z is now forcibly conscripting the deaf, infirm and mentally ill into the military.
Are they supposed to "fight back"? Or simply die helplessly by being thrown into the meat grinder on the battlefield?
 

ZNP

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Z is now forcibly conscripting the deaf, infirm and mentally ill into the military.
Are they supposed to "fight back"? Or simply die helplessly by being thrown into the meat grinder on the battlefield?
I thought their job was to clear minefields.
 

DRobinson

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Yeah .... And people are acting like Ukraine isn't supposed to fight back.
No one said that.
This is about Biden pushing Russia into attacking us.
Would not be surprised if he has not already sent US troops there as "advisors".
If he sent the missiles there he probably sent people to train them how to set them up and fire them.
I am just tired of the US getting involved in the wars that get American young men and women killed.
And for what?
 

Gideon300

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One of these days Putin is going to say enough is enough.
But it will probably be with a missile.
Biden is trying to get us in a full war with Russia and Iran before he leaves office.
Maybe America should have stuck to the deal made for Ukraine to give up its offensive weapons in return for security guarantees. Putin is a serial liar and deceiver. Believe nothing that he says, only what he does.

Lie: I am not going to invade Ukraine
Lie: NATO is a threat
Lie: Ukraine will be a buffer zone to NATO countries. If Putin takes over Ukraine, Russia will be on the border of a NATO country. Russia is hardly surrounded by NATO countries. Even after Finland joined NATO, only 11% of Russia's borders were with NATO members.
Lie: Every missile and drone attack was thwarted by Russian air defence.
Lie: Russia does not murder dissidents.

Ukraine is not perfect, like any other nation. The remnants of Soviet corruption are still active. But at least something is being done about it. I have a simple test when looking at these issues: where would I prefer to live? No, definitely not Russia. Too many high rises with windows that open easily.
 

Gideon300

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No one said that.
This is about Biden pushing Russia into attacking us.
Would not be surprised if he has not already sent US troops there as "advisors".
If he sent the missiles there he probably sent people to train them how to set them up and fire them.
I am just tired of the US getting involved in the wars that get American young men and women killed.
And for what?
Try some facts for a change. No Americans except maybe some volunteers have been killed in Ukraine. Training is conducted in other countries to avoid that possibility. Yes, America has wasted countless lives and much money for little return. However, ISIL has been pushed out of the Middle East to a large extent. That's something.
 

Gideon300

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putin is smart enough to see this as something just to provoke him to react.

however, if the missile strikes get bigger and more often, and start doing real damage, he will have no choice but to respond...
Which he is doing. But not with nukes.
 

Gideon300

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it seems as if the russian response was a warning, like " this is what we can do"..
Maybe. Ukraine has not been sitting still while Putin's 3 day war turns into 1000 days. It seems that Ukraine has developed its own ballistic missiles. It's a tragedy that Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal. Putin would not have attacked Ukraine.
 

DRobinson

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Try some facts for a change. No Americans except maybe some volunteers have been killed in Ukraine. Training is conducted in other countries to avoid that possibility. Yes, America has wasted countless lives and much money for little return. However, ISIL has been pushed out of the Middle East to a large extent. That's something.
Maybe no American has been killed YET.
But you do not know if training is being done in other countries just because the government says so.
I do not believe the government.
If you think ISIS has been pushed out of the middle east you are deceiving yourself.
Apparently you have never experienced the horror of war or had family members killed or wounded in war, but have.
 

Smoke

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The agreement in 1994 was to respect Ukraine and its borders as a sovereign state. In 2014, Russia broke their agreement and basically said that the agreement was with a different government and it's no longer valid. Obviously, he's wrong as nations don't make agreements with governments but with other nations.

Having said this, we agreed to defend Ukraine. We ought to be subject to our word even if I'm sick and tired of financing this war. Of the two conflicts between Israel and Ukraine, the Ukraine actually has a leg to stand on for why we OUGHT to defend (fund) them because of promises WE made in 1994.

I hope Trump can orchestrate an agreement between Ukraine and Russia. I don't believe ANY concessions should be made because it would be rewarding bad behavior. It would only tell Putin that he can just break his agreement, invade, and after years of battle they will get more concessions. No, this shouldn't happen. I do fear Trump will give Putin concessions though as he is adamant about stopping this war. The sooner he can broker a peace agreement, the better he'll look in the public's eye but it would continue setting a bad precedent that Putin will break agreements and get rewarded when he stops advancing his invasion.
 

Gideon300

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Maybe no American has been killed YET.
But you do not know if training is being done in other countries just because the government says so.
I do not believe the government.
If you think ISIS has been pushed out of the middle east you are deceiving yourself.
Apparently you have never experienced the horror of war or had family members killed or wounded in war, but have.
I served in the military during the Vietnam war. I did not see action, but I know something about war. It's one of the worst aspects of human nature. However, if we want to enjoy the freedoms that our grandparents fought for, evil such as Putin has to be resisted.

If Americans were training the Ukrainians in Ukraine, you would soon know about it. There are plenty of pro Russian sympathisers who would shout it from the rooftops.

I am inclined to go by what is, not what might be. No Americans have been killed in Ukraine. Full stop.

If Putin gets his way, what kind of message does that send Iran, China and North Korea? personally, I think that Japan, South Korea and Australia should make their own nuclear weapons. I no longer believe that America is a reliable ally.

I did not say that ISIL no longer exists in the Middle East. However, they are only a shadow of what they were once. If the pressure is taken off, they will rise again. They are still highly active in North Africa along with similar terrorist organisations.

The world is more dangerous now than at any time since the Cuba crisis. Kennedy had the spine to stand up to the USSR. I'm not convinced that the woke progressives of the USA have the same level of courage. I hope we never have to find out.
 

DRobinson

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What did we accomplish in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan?
This Nation has not fought to win since WWII.
Not willing to do what is necessary to win.
Just destroyed a lot of young lives.
And will probably destroy a lot more before the Lord returns.
 

ZNP

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Here is a summary of what I have posted on my blog concerning the writing on the Wall sign which I consider the seven year warning of the flood, similar to Noah getting a seven day warning.

It also indicates the destruction of Babylon (the US) takes place in 2024.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vTKT7SKSow7Ihz83lcqErW50IG5Hod9w/view?usp=sharing