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[Eli1]

I do understand it. I have experienced it first hand. And I have dealt with it as coming from the Lord. I believe Jesus is Lord and the evil one cannot slander us without the Lord allowing it and without us needing to learn from it.

The answer to slander is not more slander. If you respond to slander with slander then you are no different from the person you are condemning.

Why are you talking like you're in a court room? You're on a forum with an anonymous username so the word "slander" is meaningless.
And if you are in real life and people slander you then you have some choices to act upon. The Bible usually says to be calm and forgive. There are many passages. Here's one:

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Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. – Ephesians 4:31-32

You say this because you have absolutely no idea what I have experienced. In my mind Dude and I are starting on the very same end of the spectrum and we have responded in two very different ways.

I don't know what's happened to you or others emotionally, i'm saying try to understand why you and him are so opposite in nature while sharing the same event. Try to find that. If you find that, you may understand each-other better.

The most arrogant thing anyone can say to someone is that you forgive them for something that they do not consider a sin. Let Dude say he is sorry, he stepped over the bounds because he is emotionally invested and it got the better of him and of course I will forgive him. But if that is not how he feels then I will not presume anything.

Do you realize how emotionally invested you are for a user with an anonymous forum name?

 

[ZNP]

I don't know what's happened to you or others emotionally, i'm saying try to understand why you and him are so opposite in nature while sharing the same event. Try to find that. If you find that, you may understand each-other better.

I learned a very valuable lesson when I was in High school. I was a very good swimmer, we had a swimming pool at my school and during gym I went to dunk another kid. Instead of fighting to get a breath he used both arms to submerge himself twice as fast as I expected and so I also went under took a gulp of water and had to crawl out of the pool.

That is the difference between Dude and me. We both got dunked. He is fighting what happened, I am going with it. He takes what happened as coming from a very evil man, I take what happened to me as coming from the Lord who loves me and wants all things to work out for good.

 

[Eli1]

I learned a very valuable lesson when I was in High school. I was a very good swimmer, we had a swimming pool at my school and during gym I went to dunk another kid. Instead of fighting to get a breath he used both arms to submerge himself twice as fast as I expected and so I also went under took a gulp of water and had to crawl out of the pool.

That is the difference between Dude and me. We both got dunked. He is fighting what happened, I am going with it. He takes what happened as coming from a very evil man, I take what happened to me as coming from the Lord who loves me and wants all things to work out for good.

This should make you the bigger man then.
Some people spend their entire lives in grief and never let go until the end. This is how our journey works.

When i see death around me, i don't get mad at God, i simply hold on to Him even harder especially when He has shown Grace and Miracles to me.
But at the same time i realize that others are on a different step and length of their journey so i simply forgive them, after i understand the differences, if they're able to say them.

Sometimes i just listen to someone at work who wants to vent at me without saying anything meaningful. He could be angry with God or upset about a promotion and he just wants to vent and express frustration. So as a bigger man, just listen without saying anything.

 

[Dude653]

Go ahead and explain to us what you meant by Actually I think maybe there should be precedent to prosecute for stochastic terrorism

My understanding was that you were going to prosecute him the same way the Nazi's prosecuted those that they didn't like based on unjust laws and courts.

I assumed that what you were saying is that if he said this to a million people then the laws of probability were that one of them would commit terrorism making him guilty as aiding and abetting terrorism.

Now I am not aware of any terrorist act that had been committed, but apparently that doesn't hinder you in your desire to see him prosecuted for a hypothetical act which might be committed.

Nor did I see you making this argument when Trump was likened to Hitler by Biden and Harris and actual terrorist acts were committed.

So go ahead, clear up the confusion, what did you mean by stochastic terrorism if that was not it?

Also I expect @Eli1 can also chime in since he agrees with you that my interpretation is wrong.

One other thing I expect both of you expressed your strong disgust for the sick ad hominem that was directed at Trump about being a Nazi and Hitler and that you both expressed the same wish that Biden and Harris would be prosecuted. Simply point me to those posts and I won't call you hypocrites as well.

Did you wake up and eat of all of Hyperbole -O's for breakfast this morning?
Stochastic terrorism is a radio host saying that families lied about the deaths of their children in order to take people's guns away. What did you think was going to happen?
When his minions start harassing and threatening the families
One of those families had to move five times

 

[ZNP]

Did you wake up and eat of all of Hyperbole -O's for breakfast this morning?
Stochastic terrorism is a radio host saying that families lied about the deaths of their children in order to take people's guns away. What did you think was going to happen?
When his minions start harassing and threatening the families
One of those families had to move five times

Yes, they sued him according to the law and they were awarded $1 billion dollars.

But you do not prosecute someone for breaking a law that is not on the books. First you must pass a law, then you can prosecute people who break that law after the law goes into effect. The idea that you would just go and prosecute someone for a law that does not exist is what tyrants, dictators and Hitler did. That is what you were asking to happen.

Now why don't you answer my question. Biden and Harris both incited violence against Trump. It wasn't vague, it was clear as crystal and there were two assassination attempts and their was evidence that these people were influenced by what they said. So where is your post calling for them to be prosecuted for inciting violence which actually did occur and which is actually a criminal offense?

 

[ZNP]

Some people spend their entire lives in grief and never let go until the end. This is how our journey works.

I have a close relative who got sick prior to a big test and failed that exam when in HS. Forty years later he still blames his mother for that. This is not how our journey works if we turn to the Lord.

I was recently reminded of Tom Brady's journey. He took Michigan to a national championship in college. Then when the draft came six quarterbacks were drafted before him and he was drafted around 199. Players on his team that were drafted couldn't believe it. One guy who went to Cleveland couldn't believe the quarterback they drafted had been drafted in front of Brady. Even the backup quarterback to Brady was drafted before him. That was incredibly insulting. You can sulk, you can be bitter or you can do what he did. The glory is greater and now every team that drafted one of those other quarterbacks looks like a dunce, the team that drafted him looks like a genius. Of the six quarterbacks that were drafted the one with the best career was Chad Pennington.

If you let a root of bitterness grow inside of you it will destroy you. If you turn to the Lord and let him grow inside you it will turn out to salvation, He is the hope of glory no matter how hurtful the insult.

 

[Eli1]

I have a close relative who got sick prior to a big test and failed that exam when in HS. Forty years later he still blames his mother for that. This is not how our journey works if we turn to the Lord.

I was recently reminded of Tom Brady's journey. He took Michigan to a national championship in college. Then when the draft came six quarterbacks were drafted before him and he was drafted around 199. Players on his team that were drafted couldn't believe it. One guy who went to Cleveland couldn't believe the quarterback they drafted had been drafted in front of Brady. Even the backup quarterback to Brady was drafted before him. That was incredibly insulting. You can sulk, you can be bitter or you can do what he did. The glory is greater and now every team that drafted one of those other quarterbacks looks like a dunce, the team that drafted him looks like a genius. Of the six quarterbacks that were drafted the one with the best career was Chad Pennington.

If you let a root of bitterness grow inside of you it will destroy you. If you turn to the Lord and let him grow inside you it will turn out to salvation, He is the hope of glory no matter how hurtful the insult.

Agreed brother and I didn’t express myself correctly there because I was on the phone.

“This is how our journey works” means that we each have an individual choice to turn to God, and I was saying that some people don’t make this choice for many many years, until the end or sometimes never.

That’s what I meant by “this is how our journey works” - I was talking about our collective existence here and some of us choose God and some don’t. Or some, are angry at God. They have to go through the stages to reach any new insight, if any.

And when you turn to God and reach new insights, then forgiveness and grace become more abundant because you see things with a different eye.