Understanding God’s election

[rogerg]

You still did not explain what the heart is. You just cited passages that speak of the heart.

Here it is again!

The function.

“For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.” Proverbs 23:7​

Everything you manifest yourself with to yourself and others is produced by your heart.

That's all I wish to settle before all else.

This much can we agree on?

“For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.”​

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When you and one other here start jumping to other passages as to change the emphasis, it seems that the definition Proverbs 23:7 provides is to be avoided.

That keeps me attempting to return to finally defining the term in hopes that we can have a common ground to build upon.
But, it keeps getting avoided and diverted away from.

You are as a person what you think in your heart!

Your heart holds personal likes and dislikes.
Your heart holds either delusion or integrity.

Your heart may want to see yourself of having achieved what you have convinced yourself of having achieved.
And, when exposed as to not being so?
We then see reaction and controversy....

That is what is happening.

So be it.

And you're trying to use a single verse to establish a complete doctrine when many verses should be considered. Wait... I just noticed that you have consistently excluded the second half of that verse. Why? I think that exclusion pretty much shoots down your whole theory. Very misleading indeed! Further, the " For as he thinketh in his heart" is in reference to an unsaved, not a saved, person - a warning not to embrace (eat) of a false gospel, it is not addressing how God transfers spiritual truth.

[Pro 23:6-7 KJV]
6 Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.

The verses I selected were numerous, explicit, fully complete, collectively and corroborative, of the notion that, in the spiritual sense, thoughts originate from what is in the heart, and not the reverse: either sin unto sin or faith unto faith.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Actually that word in Proverbs 23:7 doesn't mean heart

H5315 נֶפֶשׁ nephesh (neh'-fesh) n-f.
1. (properly) a breathing creature, i.e. animal.
2. (abstractly) of vitality.

 

[Genez]

Actually that word in Proverbs 23:7 doesn't mean heart

H5315 נֶפֶשׁ nephesh (neh'-fesh) n-f.
1. (properly) a breathing creature, i.e. animal.
2. (abstractly) of vitality.

A wee bit of editing there?
One thing I can say about you...

You're consistent.
Why you have to be that way is between you and the Lord.

Here!

Strong's Lexicon​

nephesh: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being​

Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ​

Part of Speech: Noun Feminine​

Transliteration: nephesh​

Pronunciation: neh'-fesh​

Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)​

Definition: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being​

Meaning: a breathing creature, animal of, vitality​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A wee bit of editing there?

Strong's Lexicon
nephesh: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being
Meaning: a breathing creature, animal of, vitality

No editing; it was copy/paste from Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. The root means to breathe

H5314 נָפַשׁ naphash (naw-fash') v.
1. to breathe.

 

[Genez]

And you're trying to use a single verse to establish a complete doctrine when many verses should be considered. Wait... I just noticed that you have consistently excluded the second half of that verse. Why? I think that exclusion pretty much shoots down your whole theory. Very misleading indeed! Further, the " For as he thinketh in his heart" is in reference to an unsaved, not a saved, person - a warning not to embrace (eat) of a false gospel, it is not addressing how God transfers spiritual truth.

[Pro 23:6-7 KJV]
6 Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.

The verses I selected were numerous, explicit, fully complete, collectively and corroborative, of the notion that, in the spiritual sense, thoughts originate from what is in the heart, and not the reverse: either sin unto sin or faith unto faith.

Why do you always use the King James?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why do you always use the King James?

Some of us learned with it, so that's what we remember to search with

 

[Magenta]

You Shirley must subscribe to Covenant Theology?

Don't call me Shirley

 

[Rufus]

The Adamic covenant is in Genesis 2. Genesis 3 is a part of the covenant of grace.

And the bible supports the existence of neither. And the only covenants of grace in scripture are the Abrahamic and New Covenant.

 

[Rufus]

Don't call me Shirley

Funny! I remember that movie!

 

[Genez]

No editing; it was copy/paste from Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. The root means to breathe

H5314 נָפַשׁ naphash (naw-fash') v.
1. to breathe.

I chose Strong's.

You chose the weaker of the two.

Same word.

 

[Genez]

Don't call me Shirley

Shirley he jests....

 

[Magenta]

And the bible supports the existence of neither. And the only covenants of grace in scripture are the Abrahamic and New Covenant.

Genesis 6:18
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the
ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

Genesis 9:9
And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Genesis 9:11
And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more
by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:12
And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me
and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

Genesis 9:13
I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Genesis 9:15
And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living
creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

Genesis 9:16
And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the
everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Genesis 9:17
And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which
I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I chose Strong's.

You chose the weaker of the two.

Same word.

I just used what's in my software. I can do an extensive study if you like with various lexicons.

 

[Genez]

I just used what's in my software. I can do an extensive study if you like with various lexicons.

Try better next time.

That software will mislead you.

 

[rogerg]

Why do you always use the King James?

And the reason for you only including half of the verse?

 

[Cameron143]

And the bible supports the existence of neither. And the only covenants of grace in scripture are the Abrahamic and New Covenant.

That's one take. If I thought you were really interested, I would answer further. I only answered because you cited Genesis 3 as the place where the Adamic covenant was instituted.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Try better next time.

That software will mislead you.

I looked through about 10 lexicons I have and none of them include heart as a meaning. The word is typically translated soul and is the same word in Genesis that says Adam became a living soul. So Proverbs 23:7 would be 'as a man thinks in his soul'

 

[rogerg]

Why do you always use the King James?

Have you been ordained official version picker outer?

 

[Genez]

And the reason for you only including half of the verse?

I quoted what was pertinent.

Including the rest will not change it's meaning.

My point was about the Biblical usage of the word heart.

grace and peace ...........

 

[Genez]

I looked through about 10 lexicons I have and none of them include heart as a meaning. The word is typically translated soul and is the same word in Genesis that says Adam became a living soul. So Proverbs 23:7 would be 'as a man thinks in his soul'

In the Bible the word heart pertains to the soul. Not the fleshly pump.

That is what is so good about dialoguing in Christian forums.
We can learn about what we have may have been missing, so we can continue to gain in growing in the mind of Christ.

I am not trying to give you a hard time.
I just needed to say what it is that you had been missing...
For its important to know.

grace and peace ...........