the Sabbath

[Cameron143]

You funny. I do like to give reactions. Not that I always do. I use discretion. Some call that passive aggressive behaviour. Well, I have been called a sock puppet before also... the very same language was used as the person who thinks I am Dino, by someone who was banned two years ago after making an extremely long post (probably close to maximum number of characters allowed = 10,000) where they accused multiple people of operating a number of accounts here and elsewhere on the web under a plethora of names. (For instance, according to them I am operating accounts under names I had never even heard of before, on top of multiple accounts here where I argue with myself, as do others. Haha.) But you know what? When I look in the mirror, I do not see @Dino246 and I also know for a fact he does not see me when he looks in the mirror. I do know what he looks like, or looked like years ago... and you have seen pics of me as well. We do not resemble each other in the least. That person said they had essentially been dared to come here to see how long they would last, and sure enough, with their attitude and all the lies they told, they did not last long. I also know for a fact that banned people return, which is against the rules.

It's obviously a case of mistaken identity and I've got my best alternate account looking into it.

 

[Pasifika]

There are lots of laws in scripture, which law is Paul referring to in Galatians.

in Galatians 5, the law Paul is referring to is the Law given in Sinai..as in Gal4:21-24, also Gal 3:19 etc

 

[Beckworth]

The Ten Commandments have been with God from Creation and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23) Moses did not write the ten Commandments; they were given to him by God. The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses or any part of the old Mosaic Law. "Do not think that I come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Matt 5:17) The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in the NT alone and all have to do with the 7th day Sabbath but on which refences an annual Sabbath. God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). Jesus kept it (Luke 4:16), Paul kept it (Acts 17:2), and Gentiles kept it (Acts 13:42-44; 16:13) Several of the Ten Commandments are mentioned throughout the New Testament. God only set one day apart from the rest and blessed it, sanctified it and blessed it and that would be the 7th day of the week not the first.

God said, “let no one judge you in regard to … sabbaths, which are only a “shadow” of things to come…”He explains why in the preceding verses (Col. 2). 1. Verse 14- Because he has “wiped out the handwriting of requirements—the old Jewish law with the 10 commandments, and 2. He nailed them to His cross. Meaning when He died on the cross it issued in His new law of faith talked about in Hebrews 9:16-17, and 7:12, and 10:9.
verse 16–“So”. Meaning “ therefore” or because of this, let no one judge you in regard to …”sabbaths.” We as gentiles were never required to keep the sabbath unless we were prosylete Jews who converted to Judaism. We are not required today, not even the Jews are required to keep it today. Jesus brought a new law for everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. Ephesians 2:14-15 He “tore down”. The middle wall of separation. Having ABOLISHED IT, the law of commandments, (the old Jewish law including the 10 commandments,) so to create one new man from the two (Jew and Gentile), thus making peace; that he might reconcile THEM BOTH (Jew and Gentile) to God in one body (church) through the cross. Ephesians 2:14-15.

All of the original 10 commandments are repeated in various places in the New Tesrament law of Christ, with only one exception—remember the 7 day. That one is omitted from Christ’s new law because it has been replaced by a new day of importance. It’s called tge “Lord’s day” and it is the 1st day of the week. John in the book of Revelation said, I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.” It was the day Jesus rose from the dead, the day He commanded the church to take the Lird’s supper and give not the collection fir the church. It was the day the first century Christians met and worshiped. Acts 20:7.

I keep all of the original Ten Commandments except “remember the 7th day— because they are in the new law of Christ—not because they were given to Moses on Mt. Sinai. I don’t keep any of the old Jewish laws because that law is now “OBSOLETE” Hebrews 8:13 and has “vanished away.” Timothy tells us we learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.

 

[Aaron56]

Not according to Jesus. He quoted right from the Ten Commandments when saying not to break the least of these commandments. Mat 5:19 Breaking them our heart is far from Him and that path leads to a ditch Mat 15:3-14 So its not something Jesus taught, that we do not need to keep the Ten Commandments.

Of course He did. He was still alive to the law at Sinai. When He died He also died to the law at Sinai. We, who also reckon ourselves dead in Christ, are also dead to the law given at Sinai.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Of course He did. He was still alive to the law at Sinai. When He died He also died to the law at Sinai. We, who also reckon ourselves dead in Christ, are also dead to the law given at Sinai.

Thats not what Jesus said- He said not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven i.e. Mat 5:19 Judgement Rev 22:14-15

 

[Magenta]

It's obviously a case of mistaken identity and I've got my best alternate account looking into it.

Oh, I meant to say, I am accused of operating under names I had never even heard before on other sites. Other Christian forums, where I do not post. Not that I have never posted elsewhere. I have mentioned many times that I was on myspace Religion forum for four years (2007-2011) before those boards went away, and then I was on CARM for close to three years I think (2012 - 2015), before coming here, where I have never had a different name other than the one I do now. I am aware that there are those who become a guest and then come back under a new name but I have never done that, nor have I ever been banned and returned. I have been invited to other sites, and may have even joined one or two, for instance, when the Rapture Ready forum closed, and there was another similar one, many of those members came here, and they invited me to a new site that had been started up. I did join but probably made like two posts there. There are those here who could confirm this but I am not going to drag them into this. Interesting that the same charges are brought against me when they were as false the first time as they are now. I really do wonder why this other person has such a hate on for me.

 

[MeowFlower]

The sabbath is the law, the sabbath is the letter of the law.

We are not under the letter of the law.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that sin is deadly.

The law stirs up sin and opposition to God.

Legalists are cranky folk.

I know. How dare Jesus be a legalist as he observed and did good works on the Sabbath. And those crazy Apostle's after he ascended keeping the Sabbath. What were they thinking?

 

[MeowFlower]

Of course He did. He was still alive to the law at Sinai. When He died He also died to the law at Sinai. We, who also reckon ourselves dead in Christ, are also dead to the law given at Sinai.

Jesus reiterated the commandments. He said,if you love him you will keep them.

All the laws and the prophets hang on what Jesus synopsized as love. Love the Lord God with all your mind and heart. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Those two laws encompass the import of the Decalogue.

How absurd yet revealing anyone who claims to know Christ to say prohibition against stealing,lying,worshipping false idols, murder,etc...are dead laws.

 

[Cameron143]

Oh, I meant to say, I am accused of operating under names I had never even heard before on other sites. Other Christian forums, where I do not post. Not that I have never posted elsewhere. I have mentioned many times that I was on myspace Religion forum for four years (2007-2011) before those boards went away, and then I was on CARM for close to three years I think (2012 - 2015), before coming here, where I have never had a different name other than the one I do now. I am aware that there are those who become a guest and then come back under a new name but I have never done that, nor have I ever been banned and returned. I have been invited to other sites, and may have even joined one or two, for instance, when the Rapture Ready forum closed, and there was another similar one, many of those members came here, and they invited me to a new site that had been started up. I did join but probably made like two posts there. There are those here who could confirm this but I am not going to drag them into this. Interesting that the same charges are brought against me when they were as false the first time as they are now. I really do wonder why this other person has such a hate on for me.

Hate is easy. Love is hard.

 

[MeowFlower]

Once the sabbath appeared in the codified law then it became the letter of the law.

The letter of the law was written on tablets of stone.

Do you understand what the letter of the law means?

The sabbath was given specifically to the nation of Israel.

How can you quote Exodus 20, the letter of the law.

When you know we are not under the letter of the law?

Believe as you wish. The Sabbath predated the Decalogue.

You condemn the Apostles who observed Sabbath after the ascension of Jesus.

That makes your argument void.

 

[MeowFlower]

So far, every person I've spoken with on this subject who disagrees with me has been very disingenuous. Like you, they make untrue statements. I'm not anti-Sabbath. I'm full- blown Sabbath. But I don't imagine that following a rigid outer practice void of inward spiritual reality will bring the blessing you suspect. Nor does such an estate foster true blessing.

The blessing of the Sabbath is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is He who provides the rest. That rest is the cessation of striving to maintain a right relationship with God. Read afresh Matthew 11:28-30 and hear what God intended in giving a Sabbath rest. No more striving to be worthy of God's favor. Simply resting in Christ. This is what the Sabbath blessing is.

No,you're not full blown Sabbath. You are about Sophistry while intermingling Bible scripture so to make your ideology work.

It doesn't.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

in Galatians 5, the law Paul is referring to is the Law given in Sinai..as in Gal4:21-24, also Gal 3:19 etc

There were lots of laws given at Mt Sinai. Neh 9:13

Do you really believe the law Paul is referring to is the one God said If you love Me keep My commandments Exo 20:6 that is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 written personally by our perfect Savior. Mat 5:48 and Paul is now teaching that we fall from grace if we only worship God, only keep His name holy, not stealing or lying. Really??


So Paul is teaching one to sin Rom 7:7

Rom 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” Rom 7:

and dishonor God

Rom 2:21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?

And is teaching to be left outside the gates of heaven


Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4). The commandments are a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 and James says you break one commandment quoting from the Ten we break them all. James 2:10-12

I see why there is such a stern warning about Paul's writings twisting to one's own destruction leading one to outside the gates of heaven and teaching the opposite of what Jesus Christ taught and lived.

Well, I wish you well with that.

 

[MeowFlower]

You can believe that Jesus lived under the "old covenant" that has vanished and gone away and all of His teachings and following His example would automatically vanish as well. I can see why this would be a popular teaching for those so desperately trying to get rid of the Sabbath, that is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and people would rather throw out the other 9 commandments then keep the one God said Remember, now we have to throw out Jesus being our example, because Jesus kept the Sabbath- basically the devil really takes issue with God Sabbath and has taught millions if not billions we don't need to keep, or it can be edited to suit our own lifestyle.

Mans condemnation means nothing to be, it actually recharges my faith because we were told the commandment keeping people would be persecuted Rev 12:17 Mat 10:22 so thank you.

That said, if interested in looking at the scriptures to see what His word teaches lets take a look.

Jesus was born under the law Galatians 4:4 Jesus was born human under the law, just as Mary, just as us and this means under the condemnation of the law. The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23. The curse is still there, but Jesus gave us another option, to die of self, and live for Him, which means following the example He left for us. He is the only one who has been able to keep the law without sin, and if we are right with Christ, abide in His love and follow Him, He will impute His righteousness, because we have none.

Had Jesus not been born under the penalty of the law and sinned just once, He could have not been our Savior and all of humanity would be lost.

But, Jesus did not fail. While He was tempted, just as we are He was without sin

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

The New Testament means New Covenant

Jesus was the Mediator of the New Covenant so lived in the New Covenant, not the Old.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

His death ratified His covenant- It Is Finished John 19:30

Meaning nothing can be added or changed to His covenant.

The Sabbath rest after His death, is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

God said in the commandment the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo:10

The author of Hebrews didn't change the Sabbath 40 decades after Christ death as many try to read into that passage. This passage supports what God said and one would have to understand the story of Joshus and David in the OT to understand fully this passage. If anyone interested in going verse by verse with me on it, I would be happy to go through it and study together. But changing God's Sabbath or any of the God's commandments goes against what Jesus taught. And while many believe what He taught and how He lived was for other people, its not what Jesus said

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Sadly, people think they can skip all of His teachings, all of His sanctification and just be in Christ, but it doesn't work like that.

Jesus said:
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

No one is walking in harmony with Jesus in His Spirit by not loving Him and disobeying His commandments. And His commandments are His version, what He wrote and what He spoke and if we believe in Him, we would believe in His teachings and follow His example.

How do we abide in Jesus?
John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,
1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So lets not deceive ourselves, if we abide in Christ, we will keep His commandments and follow the example He left for us.

Jesus kept all of the commandments including the Sabbath and He said follow Me, not to follow man, that path leads to a ditch Mat 15:3-14

If we believe in Jesus, we would believe His teaching such as

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’

This is Jesus quoting Old Testament- so despite the teachings of many, Jesus puts all the Glory of what God said, not to just "hear" but to live by i.e. do.

Exodus 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I say we have faith in Jesus in what He taught, how He lived. He is the way, will only lead us down the narrow path back to reconciliation Isa 56:1-6 Rev 22:14

You might consider some here don't believe Jesus was Lord,the Lord God.

Which would explain their lack of understanding Jesus' new covenant and ministry.

 

[Aaron56]

Thats not what Jesus said- He said not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven i.e. Mat 5:19 Judgement Rev 22:14-15

That was the terms of the law at Sinai. Do you need references to them?

 

[Cameron143]

No,you're not full blown Sabbath. You are about Sophistry while intermingling Bible scripture so to make your ideology work.

It doesn't.

Let's test that. What does the rest of the Sabbath teach about Christ?

 

[Aaron56]

You might consider some here don't believe Jesus was Lord,the Lord God.

Which would explain their lack of understanding Jesus' new covenant and ministry.

A great example of how the 7th Day Adventists trapped you into their religion: threats and fear.

 

[Magenta]

Hate is easy. Love is hard.

So true.

John 15:5c; Philippians 2:13 Apart from Me you can do nothing. For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.

 

[Aaron56]

All the laws and the prophets hang on what Jesus synopsized as love. Love the Lord God with all your mind and heart. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus gave a new commandment about love. In the new commandment, the standard for love for God and for man was the same. That's MUCH more serious than "love your best". Try to keep up.

Those two laws encompass the import of the Decalogue.

Oh, good. Then you'll agree we are no longer instructed by the 10 Commandments and the prophets.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person..."

The Sinai Law was the shadow. Christ is the reality. Don't live in the shadows when the Light has appeared.

 

[Aaron56]

in Galatians 5, the law Paul is referring to is the Law given in Sinai..as in Gal4:21-24, also Gal 3:19 etc

I mean, it's right there in black and white.

 

[Magenta]

You might consider some here don't believe Jesus was Lord,the Lord God.

You might consider that some here know you as a liar.