There will be no Rapture!!!

[Psalm1]

Its a blessing that the Lord spoke that about the lukewarm to those who were and will be under the Kingdom Gospel rather than we who are under the Gospel of Grace, given that those under the Kingdom Gospel must persevere unto the end for their future salvation. We under the Gospel of Grace are sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation at the point we believe in the death, burial a resurrection of Christ Jesus on the third day. They are not sealed by Holy Spirit who are under the Kingdom Gospel, for dare they take the mark, they are doomed.

Sorry. Just wanted to interject so that the confusions that are so typical in the minds and preaching of those who follow after a singular gospel belief, and the resulting confusions in eschatology, can see the glaring problems as a result.

Good stuff though.

MM

Hyper Pauline nonsense.
I sat under that doctrine of confusion for a month before I realized it is pure baloney.
J
Les Feldic heretic is the main guru of that heresy.
A real life modern heretic.

Robert breaker is another heretic 2 gospel promoter.

 

[Musicmaster]

never was and never will be men moved by the Holy Spirit conflicting and bringing "2 gospels"
You are saying that peter , James, and John preached a false gospel.

You know how your deal is heresy?

Look to the garden.
Your doctrine has God not knowing what the remedy for sin is.
A confused 2 gospel God has, in his book, 2 gospels.
Ridiculous heresy.

Oh, no. Not at all. What they preached was true for those to whom it was preached. Not everything written in the Bible was written TO us today. All believers understand that so far as I have seen through the years. The Law of Moses was still in practice by the Church in Jerusalem, as Acts 15 makes clear. The Mystery revealed to Paul by Christ brought a change, as is shown in 1 Corinthians 15. Baptism unto remission of sins is no longer required for salvation as was the case within the Kingdom Gospel.

Please don't assume I am promoting an idea of falsehoods in scripture. That's not at all what I was saying. It is true that scripture teaches what is contrary to modern-day replacement theology from the pits of Hell, but scripture is always true.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Hyper Pauline nonsense.
I sat under that doctrine of confusion for a month before I realized it is pure baloney.
J
Les Feldic heretic is the main guru of that heresy.
A real life modern heretic.

Robert breaker is another heretic 2 gospel promoter.

Yes, I've seen many false labels of origin slapped onto the understanding of differentiation in dispensations clearly taught within scripture, which are nothing more than mere distractions that divert attention away from the obvious. Been there, done that.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Unitarian gospelism leads only to dichotomies and sophistic theology and eschatology. We can see that confusion and debate in this thread.

MM

 

[Omegatime]

Thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

Pre-tribulation rapture is the worse scam ever perpetrated in church doctrines.

The only rapture/resurrection I see is at Rev 14 for jews and gentiles alike on the 1335th day of the tribulation of 7 years. The unrighteous left behind enter the bowl/vial judgements. The sheep/goat judgement is to determine which of the unrighteous enters the Kingdom of God in the flesh based on works, not grace. The works I am speaking of is the gentiles assisting the jews fleeing the antichrist

 

[Musicmaster]

Thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

Pre-tribulation rapture is the worse scam ever perpetrated in church doctrines.

The only rapture/resurrection I see is at Rev 14 for jews and gentiles alike on the 1335th day of the tribulation of 7 years. The unrighteous left behind enter the bowl/vial judgements. The sheep/goat judgement is to determine which of the unrighteous enters the Kingdom of God in the flesh based on works, not grace. The works I am speaking of is the gentiles assisting the jews fleeing the antichrist

I never could uderstand the desire some have in wanting to be here during the tribulation. If you want to remain, perhaps the Lord will accommodate you in that desire. Go for it.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

The wishful thinking out there that the first half of Jacob's Trouble, the seventieth week, is not ALL God's wrath, it would be interesting to hear the explanation for so much of earth's population being wiped out before even approaching the 1260th day of that seven years. Given that it's the Lord opening those seals, yeah, it's ALL God's wrath poured out, with it becoming progressively worse toward the end.

The body of Christ is not appointed unto wrath, just as it is written.

MM

 

[Omegatime]

I never could uderstand the desire some have in wanting to be here during the tribulation. If you want to remain, perhaps the Lord will accommodate you in that desire. Go for it.

MM

Well, I do not really wish to be here during the tribulation, only stating what I see. I saw the Wheat and Tares mentioned. this is also where the angels are called Reapers. Angels called Reapers in Rev 14 also

 

[Musicmaster]

Well, I do not really wish to be here during the tribulation, only stating what I see. I saw the Wheat and Tares mentioned. this is also where the angels are called Reapers. Angels called Reapers in Rev 14 also

Ok. I think I see where you are coming from. The other indicators, however, of which there are a few, are what gives us insight as to the pre-trib positional belief for our harpazo...snatching away. As stated, we are not appointed unto wrath.

MM

 

[Omegatime]

Ok. I think I see where you are coming from. The other indicators, however, of which there are a few, are what gives us insight as to the pre-trib positional belief for our harpazo...snatching away. As stated, we are not appointed unto wrath.

MM

----------------------------- Wrath also called Great Tribulation is the bowl judgements to me

 

[Musicmaster]

----------------------------- Wrath also called Great Tribulation is the bowl judgements to me

Just as many people die in the first half as in the second half, so it is all God's wrath, contrary to that Anderson whacko down in Texas.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I sometimes have to wonder if I should admire the tough marine mentality of thinking that some people have in assuming that they will be here on earth during the tribulation, but then it becomes abundently clear how horrific it will ALL be in those days. The fantasy of being here will indeed be realized by all who reject Christ as being worse than anything has ever been throughout all of man's existence on this earth. Those who think themselves tough enough to ride it out like a cake walk, go for it. You just stay here all you want, because I will gladly escape it all as the Lord has promised.

MM

 

[shittim]

"Pray that you be judged worthy to escape the things to come"

 

[sawdust]

No Luke warm carnal believer is raptured. That is undeniably taught in scripture.
Jesus said to believers, "I will spew you out of my mouth" ,to those carnal believers.
Jesus said to believers, " pray that you are counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of God"
(Worthy as in the 5 wise virgins)
( worthy as in the "one taken" of Matt 24).
Clearly the bride is not necessarily the church.
In fact only 50%, of the church, according to Jesus, will be taken.

Being spewed out of Christ's mouth is about loss of fellowship, not about being made spiritually dead again. Christ promised those who believe in Him will never die. (Jn.11:26) As you noted, they are still believers even though they are walking after the flesh. If we apply 1Jn.1:9 and confess we are restored to fellowship and can walk after the Spirit instead of our flesh.

As for Matt.24:40 the ones taken away are the wicked, not the righteous (they are likened to those taken away by the flood) and it occurs at the Second Coming in preparation for the Millennial reign of Christ on Earth. Only believers enter the Millennium.

Jesus will not let half of His body be destroyed eternally.

Matthew 24 is spoken to Jews and concerns the fate of Israel as a nation. It is not about the Church.

 

[Omegatime]

Have you forgotten the first 3000 souls saved were jews?

 

[Omegatime]

Sawdust said:
Only believers enter the Millennium.

Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths. 17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them. 18 And if the family of Egypt do not go up and present themselves, then upon them shall[e] come the plague with which the Lord afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the feast of booths. 19 This shall be the punishment to Egypt and the punishment to all the nations that do not go up to keep the feast of booths.

 

[Mem]

What do you think the rapture is? The rapture is the Resurrection of the Church. If you're raptured, the whole Church is resurrected. I can assure you, I do not have an immortal body .... yet.

The resurrection is the epitome of rapture, no doubt. I mean, who can be raised from the dead if God doesn't take him up? So, we agree of a sort there, on the (collectively speaking) rapture.

 

[Mem]

Whatever we go through is a cake walk to the GT.
The trib is for the Jews.
It is The plow leading up to rev 14:14.
Has zero to do with the church.

I know of this view, having heard of it before.

 

[MeowFlower]

There is more than one rapture recorded in the Scriptures.

 

[Musicmaster]

Have you forgotten the first 3000 souls saved were jews?

Good point, while also observing that they were all zealous for the Law of Moses because it was still valid for those who were under the Kingdom Gospel, which will be revived once again after the rapture and those who become believers thereafter must endure unto the end of their lives, or the tribulation...whichever comes first, not having been sealed by Holy Spirit because of their rejection of Christ up to the point of the rapture. Oh, yes...being left behind has its price to pay...

MM