Applying God's Word to Politics
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Okay, thank you for your answer and i am sorry to hear this.
My morality line on this subject is basically that of the Desmond Doss who was a conscientious objector.
This means that if i'm put in a war situation, i will not kill.
This also means that i hope and pray that God never puts me in a situation where i have to kill even for self-defense or to even protect my family.
So we differ greatly here on the mindset.
I seek to avoid this at all costs and i never treat it lightly or as a technicality.
Thanks again for your clear answer.
My morality line on this subject is basically that of the Desmond Doss who was a conscientious objector.
This means that if i'm put in a war situation, i will not kill.
This also means that i hope and pray that God never puts me in a situation where i have to kill even for self-defense or to even protect my family.
So we differ greatly here on the mindset.
I seek to avoid this at all costs and i never treat it lightly or as a technicality.
Thanks again for your clear answer.
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Well war is much more than just killing, really war is an argument, literally a conflict, in fact wars are won not by killing people physically, but by killing them spiritually. Though going by these examples. So say you are in a war, you can be a conscientious objector all you like, but it doesn't really change the fact that you entered the field. If someone kills you, they're not really guilty of murder, they're not guitly of your blood, your blood is on your own head, you're the enemy, you're on the field, unless you surrender or rout, then yea, you're fair game. Say also you are put into a self-defense situation, yea I hope you don't get put in that too, but just bear with me, let's say it happens and you have to kill an assailant, you're not guilty of murder, the assailant's blood is upon their own head.
You see this is what's fascinating to me with this mindset because this morality line is between me and God and it's a line that i don't want to cross, so i don't treat it as casually as a Friday night dinner and a movie.
I also realize that i'm in the minority for this, but this is my walk and my choice.
I want to avoid taking another life at all cost basically. I don't care what happens to me physically.
I also realize that i'm in the minority for this, but this is my walk and my choice.
I want to avoid taking another life at all cost basically. I don't care what happens to me physically.
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Well unless you are your own god, the God has delineated what is deserving of death and what is not. Those whose blood is upon their own head, if it is rendered upon them it is not murder in the eyes of God. Granted mercy is good too, but the thing with mercy is it is always undeserved, some take advantage of this, and some understand it. This is the difference between Cain murdering Abel and David destroying tens of thousands of Phillistines and being regarded as a strong hero of the faith.
Yeah, i am very well aware of this theological point which i don't want to discuss because it goes into Bible and denominational interpretations where you as a group in this part of the globe, take one line out of the Bible to support guns and build an ideology around it.
I realize this and i also realize that it's bigger than us.
I just wanted to know where YOU personally stand while letting you know where I personally stand.
I realize this and i also realize that it's bigger than us.
I just wanted to know where YOU personally stand while letting you know where I personally stand.
There also the consideration if we went to war are we fighting a Christian country or a country full of pagans who are God's enemies but if you killed someone that could have been a Christian later in life and you cut that person's chance doesn't that make you guilty of his damanation?
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Well even before the gun ever existed this dynamic existed. Long after guns cease to exist it'll still be around. There is a clear distinction between murder and justice. In fact consider this, Saul was considered wicked for not killing all the Amalekites and God hated him so much for this that he brought Saul to total ruin and tore the kingdom out of his hands and gave it to one better than him.
The thing about hypotheticals is hypothetically anything can happen. On that same token the pagan might never repent. They worship lies so their blood is on their own head by default always, if it is rendered upon them it's their own problem and furthermore they get to taste the second death and be cast into the fire by the only True God and who will hold him guilty; why did their gods not save them?
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Steve Saints father was eaten by pagan cannibals. He went right back to that tribe taught the gospel and the man that killed his father became the his adopted father. That how the death of every Christian should be. When one of us dies seeds should be planted not hatred but forgiveness.
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Well the united states was founded on Christianity and became one of the greatest nations in the world so... apparently it works quite well.
Every amendment they added to the constitution has caused us destruction.
Socialism is not Christianity BTW. Capitalism actually is Christian. There is even financial advice in the Bible, which has helped jews be so successful and wealthy.
Socialism does not work. It turns to communism and communism is founded by atheism. Hence why it sucks.
Globalism is built by the idea that we need population control over too many people in the world... that is not Christian at all. It's the opposite. Also redundant bc 1st world countries are on a population decline.
Globalism wants to destroy the 1st world countries. Even if we let a few million in our country (which we have) it doesn't even make a dent in the population of the 3rd world countries. In other words it makes no difference to that country and destroys ours at the same time bc we don't have enough resources for them either.
Even if we could somehow control climate change, it's not just the 1st world countries that are causing this issue. Syria for example has oil refineries on fire 24/7. So it makes no sense for 1st world countries to suffer over it. Same with electricity.
Solomon never apologized having so much wealth, being the richest man alive. Also he sinned a lot and still didn't. So I don't understand why 1st world people always feel we need to apologize for being a wealthy country. Here's a thought... be grateful and be giving. We're blessed bc we're a Christian nation so stop apologizing for it.
Every amendment they added to the constitution has caused us destruction.
Socialism is not Christianity BTW. Capitalism actually is Christian. There is even financial advice in the Bible, which has helped jews be so successful and wealthy.
Socialism does not work. It turns to communism and communism is founded by atheism. Hence why it sucks.
Globalism is built by the idea that we need population control over too many people in the world... that is not Christian at all. It's the opposite. Also redundant bc 1st world countries are on a population decline.
Globalism wants to destroy the 1st world countries. Even if we let a few million in our country (which we have) it doesn't even make a dent in the population of the 3rd world countries. In other words it makes no difference to that country and destroys ours at the same time bc we don't have enough resources for them either.
Even if we could somehow control climate change, it's not just the 1st world countries that are causing this issue. Syria for example has oil refineries on fire 24/7. So it makes no sense for 1st world countries to suffer over it. Same with electricity.
Solomon never apologized having so much wealth, being the richest man alive. Also he sinned a lot and still didn't. So I don't understand why 1st world people always feel we need to apologize for being a wealthy country. Here's a thought... be grateful and be giving. We're blessed bc we're a Christian nation so stop apologizing for it.
BL, I agree with your criticism of socialism and globalism, but when praising capitalism we need to note that we are not speaking of cut-throat competition but rather of caring capitalism that has been salted/enlightened/leavened by NT morality/love.
IOW, we do not affirm monopolies or oligarchs or enabling slave-like labor, but rather we prefer business models along the lines of profit-sharing companies, which pay high wages, provide health care, retirement, paid vacations and bonuses based on profits. I also might add that since there is no such thing as free trade, we advocate fair trade that does not depress the ability of Americans to find jobs that pay a livable wage for a family of four.
IOW, we do not affirm monopolies or oligarchs or enabling slave-like labor, but rather we prefer business models along the lines of profit-sharing companies, which pay high wages, provide health care, retirement, paid vacations and bonuses based on profits. I also might add that since there is no such thing as free trade, we advocate fair trade that does not depress the ability of Americans to find jobs that pay a livable wage for a family of four.
Yes, there's a lot of things that are 'around' in this fallen world.
What's important for me is my choice in participating or avoiding some of them.
For example.
If i'm dropped into a bank vault, i will not steal.
If i'm dropped in the red light district of Amsterdam, i will not engage in prostitution.
If i'm dropped into a war zone, i will not kill.
What's important for me is my choice in participating or avoiding some of them.
For example.
If i'm dropped into a bank vault, i will not steal.
If i'm dropped in the red light district of Amsterdam, i will not engage in prostitution.
If i'm dropped into a war zone, i will not kill.
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I am now wondering if you speak English or have some comprehension problems.
I told you very clearly that even your statement that maga closely aligns to Biblical morality (which is now a softer stance from you apparently compared to KOG before) is something that I reject 100%!
Which is not MAGA! How blind are you?
Finally we have an answer here.
So you want to be an army guy then.
Well buddy the truth is that you will never have agreement. Ever. This is what I told you earlier.
And your desires for unity which seems to be to be your job habits are not going to make a dent in this area. Ever.
So come to terms with differences and diversity and you might have even more unity.
God does not want soldiers or lawyers.
He wants people who love Him from the heart in their own unique ways.
Not in a military kind of way. This whole thing infringes on free-will too, something that The Father gave us since The Garden and you've been trying to defend in other topics right?
I know that this is difficult for you being in the army your whole life probably.
You can’t get rid of certain habits.
So what you see as "apathy" i see as subjugation or a means to control and suppress people's free will.
Yes, and you’re oblivious that the guns kill people! Which is not as different as liberals killing babies!
I bless you again as a Protestant my brother.
Do you know how many times people say what you said in this forum or in real life?
Countless times!
They want to be vague when it suits them and be precise when it suits them because they’re not honest and clear about their position and ideas since they’re coming with a pre-conceived notion or an idea and then find the verses in the Bible to built around their idea.
"Where does the Bible say this" - is the most common sentence here.
In your case you’re doing the same mistake because your love for MAGA is very cute and adorable.
So you’re saying that it’s about taxes while ignoring that back then, taxes meant that you’re under the rule of another nation.
You’re not going to HRBlock to do your taxes and ask the guy “hey buddy how much am I getting this year”.
Similarly “where does the Bible say that trinity exists”.
It doesn’t !
But I hope that you’re a trinitarian right?
So when Jesus said that about Cesar it meant that these two types of government are separate and should be separate which is what I have been trying to tell you this whole time but your love for MAGA blinds you and you can’t process any other ideas.
Anyway I brought some coffee for you this morning from the Trump stimulus check I received the first time he was president.
Looking forward from another check from him.
Cheers!
I told you very clearly that even your statement that maga closely aligns to Biblical morality (which is now a softer stance from you apparently compared to KOG before) is something that I reject 100%!
Which is not MAGA! How blind are you?
Finally we have an answer here.
So you want to be an army guy then.
Well buddy the truth is that you will never have agreement. Ever. This is what I told you earlier.
And your desires for unity which seems to be to be your job habits are not going to make a dent in this area. Ever.
So come to terms with differences and diversity and you might have even more unity.
God does not want soldiers or lawyers.
He wants people who love Him from the heart in their own unique ways.
Not in a military kind of way. This whole thing infringes on free-will too, something that The Father gave us since The Garden and you've been trying to defend in other topics right?
I know that this is difficult for you being in the army your whole life probably.
You can’t get rid of certain habits.
So what you see as "apathy" i see as subjugation or a means to control and suppress people's free will.
Yes, and you’re oblivious that the guns kill people! Which is not as different as liberals killing babies!
I bless you again as a Protestant my brother.
Do you know how many times people say what you said in this forum or in real life?
Countless times!
They want to be vague when it suits them and be precise when it suits them because they’re not honest and clear about their position and ideas since they’re coming with a pre-conceived notion or an idea and then find the verses in the Bible to built around their idea.
"Where does the Bible say this" - is the most common sentence here.
In your case you’re doing the same mistake because your love for MAGA is very cute and adorable.
So you’re saying that it’s about taxes while ignoring that back then, taxes meant that you’re under the rule of another nation.
You’re not going to HRBlock to do your taxes and ask the guy “hey buddy how much am I getting this year”.
Similarly “where does the Bible say that trinity exists”.
It doesn’t !
But I hope that you’re a trinitarian right?
So when Jesus said that about Cesar it meant that these two types of government are separate and should be separate which is what I have been trying to tell you this whole time but your love for MAGA blinds you and you can’t process any other ideas.
Anyway I brought some coffee for you this morning from the Trump stimulus check I received the first time he was president.
Looking forward from another check from him.
Cheers!
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The thing is is that no matter what you choose to do the truth and morality never really changes. If you have an abortion you're immoral, and frankly you're immoral for the whoredom moreso than the forced miscarriage. If you are dropped in the war zone and kill the enemy you are not immoral you must obey commands. If you are dropped in the war zone and refuse to fight when you're commanded, you're immoral and if you're commanders punish you for your disobedience then you deserve it. If you put an innocent person to death you're immoral, you're a murderer. If you put someone worthy of death to death, you're not immoral, their blood is upon their own head, that is justice.
I understand where you stand lol. This is not really so much my personal view though, it just is what it is. Whether I was even ever born or not isn't going to change what is truth and what is morality. As for free-will, if it even is real, which is very debateable, God's will trumps it just like God's outline of morality trumps yours or my attempts to define morality, and he has already judged and made his judgments known.
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