the Sabbath

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Cameron143

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I made it clear that God knows the begining from the end and i didn't say God didn't have the plan ready to go, Jesus was ready to die from the start. Are you saying God created provisions for a sinful world, when He created this sinless and perfect world?

Jesus must be in veiw when it comes to everything good.
Jesus saves us from sin but He does not say to continue in sin.
We agree on justification by faith but you don't think all of the moral law should be obeyed.

This sinful woman found rest. Her condemnation was taken away. BUT Jesus said go and sin no more.
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
You make an accusation falsely. I do believe the whole moral law should be kept. I just don't fool myself into believing I can do so by means of my own endeavor. The only way to sin no more is to walk in the Spirit.
And yes, God was fully aware Adam would fail and was already prepared.
 
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Then why are you on the forum, why is anyone here, since we all have sinned?
The apostles still sinned even right before Jesus went to the Cross, yet they were still preaching. Its what repentance is about. A Christ follower should not be living in perpetual sin. If we slip and fall we should immediately ask for God's forgiveness, sin should be painful because of what it did to Christ on the cross, if its not, I would consider spending a lot more time in prayer.
To encourage and build each other up, as we are all on the same boat in regard to being sinners.
 

TMS

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Welcome to CC!

Ancient Israelites were commanded to cease from their labours on the Sabbath, which would correspond to sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. Christians are not so commanded.

Some Christians call Sunday 'the Sabbath' but that is erroneous and has no biblical basis. Most Christians gather for their weekly fellowship/service/worship on Sundays in remembrance that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
It was made holy and never was it changed. Read the bible from start to finish and you will not find any place to say the sabbath is no longer sanctified.

We are never told to keep sunday holy but we are told to remember the holy Sabbath day.

choose you this day.

The 10 commandments are quoted many times in the new testement and always afirm that they should be kept.

The law does not save us but our love for Jesus leads us to obey the law.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

And many more verses, but you can not say the Moral law or ten commandments are no longer valid or made void. Many try to just make the 4th commandment void. But God would not have placed it in with the other 9 if it was the only one that was to be removed.
 
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It was made holy and never was it changed. Read the bible from start to finish and you will not find any place to say the sabbath is no longer sanctified.

We are never told to keep sunday holy but we are told to remember the holy Sabbath day.

choose you this day.

The 10 commandments are quoted many times in the new testement and always afirm that they should be kept.

The law does not save us but our love for Jesus leads us to obey the law.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

And many more verses, but you can not say the Moral law or ten commandments are no longer valid or made void. Many try to just make the 4th commandment void. But God would not have placed it in with the other 9 if it was the only one that was to be removed.
I was always told that Christians are commanded to keep every day holy.
 

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Gentiles are not under the law given in Exodus because the law has passed.

Gentiles are not under the letter of the law that was codified in Exodus.

Gentiles are not under the old covenant given in Exodus.

Gentiles were not freed from slavery in Egypt.

Gentiles cannot be initiated into the law via a circumcision.

Gentiles must abstain from sexual immorality, blood, strangled, and food sacrificed
to idols, as Acts 15 states.

The sabbath was never given to the Gentiles, in fact, the letter of the law was never
given to the Gentiles.

You are claiming things that are not recorded in the scripture.
You're ignoring what is recorded in scripture.

You can insist the Sabbath no longer matters,when you are proof contrary to Cameron's erroneous claim that no one has said the Sabbath is rescinded.

Furthermore, if anyone knew they were free of the 603 Mitzvah it was the converted Jews that were his Apostles. And being Jesus kept the Sabbath he had gifted to man,and his Apostles did too even after he ascended, and when we are all now one in Jesus,no Jews or Gentiles,your argument is nonsense.

And if anyone who claims to be Christian insists the ten commandments,that what comprised the total of 613 Mitzvah,laws of God, no longer apply,they're lying. Which is a violation of just one of those 10.

Because the laws of God are written in our hearts so that we are not far from them.

This means actual Christians who have these laws within don't steal. They don't murder,dishonor their parents,etc...

And if someone wants to insist the Sabbath was not a gift any longer when added to the 10 Commandments,besides contradicting Jesus who centuries later stated the Sabbath was made for man,not man for the Sabbath, that Sabbath "law" would be written in the hearts of the actual Christian too.

You and others like you here can attack the tenets of Christians faith as you like. You can mock,ridicule, twist Scripture, and on and on.

And actual Christians know the Apostles and others were celebrating The Feast of Weeks when the Holy Spirit descended upon them in what today is known as Pentecost.

If the calendar of celebration was rescinded through Christ his Apostles didn't know it. And when Jesus said he had other sheep to minister his Good News to that were not
of this Jewish fold, and when we are all one in him, the argument Gentiles are not included in the laws of God that remain as the moral and ritual practices doesn't hold water.

No, we're not going to be executed if we fail to observe them. We simply need to remember what Jesus said about his law. And remember. Not all has yet been fulfilled. Christians know that too.

Those like you can think The Book of Apostle John's Revelations ,written between 90 A.D and 95 A.D during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian was fulfilled in 70A.D. and argue that while thinking the Christians that one mocks are not intelligent enough to know the definition of, Revelation.

Revelation. A definition that utterly guts the false argument John's Revelations were fulfilled decades before John received them from God while in exile on the Isle of Patmos.

Jesus said the world will hate his faithful just as the world hated him in his day.

It's understandable that The Word that stands forever shall draw those opposed.
Mocking,ridiculing, attacking with false claims the words of The word will never nullify them.

Though that concerted effort by its enemies will lead actual Christians to pity those who try.

Inquisitor? Their reputation and behaviors during the Inquisitions in history is summed up in just a couple of words. Apostate Terrorists.

Not a good look.
 
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You're ignoring what is recorded in scripture.

You can insist the Sabbath no longer matters,when you are proof contrary to Cameron's erroneous claim that no one has said the Sabbath is rescinded.

Furthermore, if anyone knew they were free of the 603 Mitzvah it was the converted Jews that were his Apostles. And being Jesus kept the Sabbath he had gifted to man,and his Apostles did too even after he ascended, and when we are all now one in Jesus,no Jews or Gentiles,your argument is nonsense.

And if anyone who claims to be Christian insists the ten commandments,that what comprised the total of 613 Mitzvah,laws of God, no longer apply,they're lying. Which is a violation of just one of those 10.

Because the laws of God are written in our hearts so that we are not far from them.
This means actual Christians who have these laws within don't steal. They don't murder,dishonor their parents,etc...

And if someone wants to insist the Sabbath was not a gift any longer when added to the 10 Commandments,besides contradicting Jesus who centuries later stated the Sabbath was made for man,not man for the Sabbath, that Sabbath "law" would be written in the hearts of the actual Christian too.

You and others like you here can attack the tenets of Christians faith as you like. You can mock,ridicule, twist Scripture, and on and on. You can think

You're ignoring what is recorded in scripture.

You can insist the Sabbath no longer matters,when you are proof contrary to Cameron's erroneous claim that no one has said the Sabbath is rescinded.

Furthermore, if anyone knew they were free of the 603 Mitzvah it was the converted Jews that were his Apostles. And being Jesus kept the Sabbath he had gifted to man,and his Apostles did too even after he ascended, and when we are all now one in Jesus,no Jews or Gentiles,your argument is nonsense.

And if anyone who claims to be Christian insists the ten commandments,that what comprised the total of 613 Mitzvah,laws of God, no longer apply,they're lying. Which is a violation of just one of those 10.

Because the laws of God are written in our hearts so that we are not far from them.

This means actual Christians who have these laws within don't steal. They don't murder,dishonor their parents,etc...

And if someone wants to insist the Sabbath was not a gift any longer when added to the 10 Commandments,besides contradicting Jesus who centuries later stated the Sabbath was made for man,not man for the Sabbath, that Sabbath "law" would be written in the hearts of the actual Christian too.

You and others like you here can attack the tenets of Christians faith as you like. You can mock,ridicule, twist Scripture, and on and on.

And actual Christians know the Apostles and others were celebrating The Feast of Weeks when the Holy Spirit descended upon them in what today is known as Pentecost.

If the calendar of celebration was rescinded through Christ his Apostles didn't know it. And when Jesus said he had other sheep to minister his Good News to that were not
of this Jewish fold, and when we are all one in him, the argument Gentiles are not included in the laws of God that remain as the moral and ritual practices doesn't hold water.

No, we're not going to be executed if we fail to observe them. We simply need to remember what Jesus said about his law. And remember. Not all has yet been fulfilled. Christians know that too.

Those like you can think The Book of Apostle John's Revelations ,written between 90 A.D and 95 A.D during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian was fulfilled in 70A.D. and argue that while thinking the Christians that one mocks are not intelligent enough to know the definition of, Revelation.

Revelation. A definition that utterly guts the false argument John's Revelations were fulfilled decades before John received them from God while in exile on the Isle of Patmos.

Jesus said the world will hate his faithful just as the world hated him in his day.

It's understandable that The Word that stands forever shall draw those opposed.
Mocking,ridiculing, attacking with false claims the words of The word will never nullify them.

Though that concerted effort by its enemies will lead actual Christians to pity those who try.

Inquisitor? Their reputation and behaviors during the Inquisitions in history is summed up in just a couple of words. Apostate Terrorists.

Not a good look.
What is a good place to search an online Bible to find out if the Sabbath is in the New Testament?
 

TMS

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I disagree from the stand point of Genesis.

Adam was given a command to not eat from the tree.

There is nothing in Genesis about the ten commandments being given to Adam.

I would advise you to stick to the scripture and pay no attention to myths.
Was it Gods plan for Adam and Eve to have other gods before Him. NO
Was it acceptable to make any graven image, or any likeness of any thing, and bow down thyself to them, or serve them? the LORD thy God is a jealous God and God does not change. No
was it acceptable to take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; No
Was it acceptable to forget the sabbath day, and not keep it holy. No
Was it acceptable for children to dishonour their father and mother? No
was it okay to kill? No
Was it okay to commit adultery? No
Was it okay to steal? No
was it okay bear false witness against thy neighbour? No
Was it okay to covet? No

God's character does not change and the moral principles don't change.

If these laws were were able to be transgressed and freely broken then the perfect world would have not been a a very nice place.
 

TMS

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I just don't fool myself into believing I can do so by means of my own endeavor. The only way to sin no more is to walk in the Spirit.
i believe the same.... we can not do anything good ourselves. but by faith through the power of the Spirit we can do all things. Glory to God.
so can you or can you not obey the law? Do you believe you can walk in the Spirit?

I say yes by walking in the Spirit. By faith in the power of God.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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In the New Testament of the King James there are 25 verses with the word Sabbath.

Exodus 16:23
And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
 

TMS

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You make an accusation falsely. I do believe the whole moral law should be kept.
Sorry if it appears that way, can i ask you planly, should we obey the 4th commandment as God commanded us.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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In the New Testament of the King James there are 25 verses with the word Sabbath.

Exodus 16:23
And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
I am wrong. The word Sabbath is in the New Testament of the King James 55 times.