Understanding God’s election
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Calvinists are the byproduct of Satan shiting his major corruptive influence from the Catholic church that he knew many were getting frustrated with, to grabbing onto disciples of John Calvin, as to distort and create a new way to present corrupt dogmatism to people who were sick of the corrupt dogmatism of the RCC. They had become accustomed to such a form of autocratic authority.
John Calvin did not concoct TULIP. That was arranged by his disciple Theodore Beza after Calvin's death.
Theodore Beza led his committee to create and arrange a dogmatic system to be used to rule a people who hated
the previous dogmatic system the RCC had set up. Believers back then were just used to being treated that way, because
of the Roman Catholic Church's long held practice.
TULIP Calvinists seek to set themselves up as "kings of the hill" in the body of Christ.
Calvinism, as it had become degenerated into, was designed to please a certain kind of self righteousness
that grants license to a form of irrational religious arrogance. Like we see with some posting in this forum exhibiting.
You have no fee will!
Then why do you leave it to me to believe that?
Its all about a failure to understand how God's grace is God's antidote for man's fallen state.
In Him.....
John Calvin did not concoct TULIP. That was arranged by his disciple Theodore Beza after Calvin's death.
Theodore Beza led his committee to create and arrange a dogmatic system to be used to rule a people who hated
the previous dogmatic system the RCC had set up. Believers back then were just used to being treated that way, because
of the Roman Catholic Church's long held practice.
TULIP Calvinists seek to set themselves up as "kings of the hill" in the body of Christ.
Calvinism, as it had become degenerated into, was designed to please a certain kind of self righteousness
that grants license to a form of irrational religious arrogance. Like we see with some posting in this forum exhibiting.
You have no fee will! Then why do you leave it to me to believe that? Its all about a failure to understand how God's grace is God's antidote for man's fallen state.
In Him.....
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Oh...so that's why the earthly, fallen bridegroom is a type of Christ by contrasts! I bet you think it's pretty Kool for someone to be constantly and consistently contrasted with the Last Adam, don't you?
I bet you think it's pretty Kool for someone to be constantly and consistently contrasted with the Last Adam, don't you?
of the Holy Spirit.
Trouble happens for those who are frustrated because they crave to run the show, is that they are controlled by their emotions,
not the Spirit... They memorized Scripture (without understanding) left and right as a means to gain ascendency over believers
who are weak in Scriptural understanding.
They are pain in the neck believers that humble believers must endure as God uses them as testing for the faithful believer.
For God wastes nothing. God will use the arrogant believer to further refine believers growing in grace and truth.
For that? The humble faithful who understand what I said? Are grateful.
Thank you!
Well...learn to read already. I wasn't talking about "us as fallen"! Adam did fall and there's not a scintilla of proof that that he ever exercised faith. But the evidence is strong that he must (by default) have been relegated to the ungodly seed of the Serpent. If not, to what seed does Adam belong? (Rhetorical question; for I know how dishonest and duplicitous you are. You'll never give me a straight answer.)
Seed of the devil is about how mankind changed into the image of Satan after the fall.
Even now. Believers walking in their flesh will lie and maneuver to get our way to win an argument.
Besides...
How do you know what ran through Adam's mind after he ran and hid?
Do you?
Adam? Had no faith?
Then, why do we see why the Lord shedding the blood of animals as evidenced with the animal skins that the Lord provided for Adam and Eve to cover themselves with? God accepted their repentance for doing wrong.
Another thing.
Why do you need everything spelled out for you in black and white?
Insight does not appear in black and white.
Insight has been an ongoing part of the spiritual life of those who are growing in grace and understanding.
If someone like you been there?
He would have been demanding that someone explain, "Where did he say it was about his body?"
We're all in the Bible.
Sometimes, it takes insight to see how.
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Even now. Believers walking in their flesh will lie and maneuver to get our way to win an argument.
Besides...
How do you know what ran through Adam's mind after he ran and hid?
Do you?
Adam? Had no faith?
Then, why do we see why the Lord shedding the blood of animals as evidenced with the animal skins that the Lord provided for Adam and Eve to cover themselves with? God accepted their repentance for doing wrong.
Another thing.
Why do you need everything spelled out for you in black and white?
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge
and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may
be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness
that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God." Philippians 1:9-11
Insight does not appear in black and white.
Insight has been an ongoing part of the spiritual life of those who are growing in grace and understanding.
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going
to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body." John 2:19-21
If someone like you been there?
He would have been demanding that someone explain, "Where did he say it was about his body?"
We're all in the Bible.
Sometimes, it takes insight to see how.
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Who limits human ability is their Creator. What limits them mainly from trans-humanizing is their humanity or being qualitatively NOT God, but what limits them quantitatively includes various genetic, environmental and experiential factors. For example, trans-gendering is impossible because each cell contains the gender-causing chromosomes. Remembering GW is difficult for those with a poor memory (
(2PT 1:12-15). Becoming a Christian seems less likely for someone who lived in Outer Mongolia in 500 B.C. than for you and me. (Etc. :^)
(2PT 1:12-15). Becoming a Christian seems less likely for someone who lived in Outer Mongolia in 500 B.C. than for you and me. (Etc. :^)
Just wanted to mention something here. This very subject separated the historic Baptists into two parts. They went totally asunder in the early 19th century. So that now we have Sovereign Grace Baptists & the Originals who will not have hardly any fellowship with one another at all. Is it not written folks:
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
This verse highlights the precept of reasoning together, and puts emphasis God's willingness to go one on one with His people in a thoughtful and redemptive manner, doesn't it?
Look, I know that we aren't going to agree until the Lord has us all with him, but we ought to at least TRY for the unity of the faith... Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
This verse highlights the precept of reasoning together, and puts emphasis God's willingness to go one on one with His people in a thoughtful and redemptive manner, doesn't it?
Look, I know that we aren't going to agree until the Lord has us all with him, but we ought to at least TRY for the unity of the faith... Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
The context is the nation Israel. But individually speaking........
The main question is~~~Why does God have to PATIENTLY endure when shaping this clay? Because the clay has a mind of its own and is STUBBORN. So why is God patient with his clay?
2 Pet 3:15~~
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
The calvies have Romans 9 and the purpose/will of God bassackwards. Paul is actually defending AGAINST the argument that God's purpose and will is capricious and arbitrary! He molds His clay according to the circumstances, temperament of the clay. Most modern day potters say, " The clay has a mind of its own."
The purpose and will of God is His shew bread in the temple....The Lord Jesus Christ. The bread of life.
John 6:33~~For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.”
Jer 18~~3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was, making something on the wheel.
4 But the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me saying,
6 “Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Behold, like the aclay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
The main question is~~~Why does God have to PATIENTLY endure when shaping this clay? Because the clay has a mind of its own and is STUBBORN. So why is God patient with his clay?
2 Pet 3:15~~
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
The calvies have Romans 9 and the purpose/will of God bassackwards. Paul is actually defending AGAINST the argument that God's purpose and will is capricious and arbitrary! He molds His clay according to the circumstances, temperament of the clay. Most modern day potters say, " The clay has a mind of its own."
The purpose and will of God is His shew bread in the temple....The Lord Jesus Christ. The bread of life.
John 6:33~~For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.”
Jer 18~~3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was, making something on the wheel.
4 But the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me saying,
6 “Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Behold, like the aclay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
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