The Pact for the Future
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You have stated that you believed no doctrine should be believed unless supported by several Scriptures and I agree.
Please give me the several Scriptures that prove there will be a seven year covenant established by the prince that is to come.
This video seems to say that this document of the UN is the start of the seven year tribulation which is heresy.
Please give me the several Scriptures that prove there will be a seven year covenant established by the prince that is to come.
This video seems to say that this document of the UN is the start of the seven year tribulation which is heresy.
I don't believe I have taught that. I have shared links of others who teach that and it is certainly relevant to be aware of what they teach, but your objection was to a link I shared. There are heresies which means a school of thought and certainly the teaching that there is a seven year tribulation is a school of thought. Then there are "damnable heresies" which is when people teach contrary to the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
I do not get involved in this because I am not sure. Yes, there are very significant verses about this topic and I will share them in a separate post on this thread, but even though I have developed some thoughts on this issue, I try to keep an open mind to what others say.
One thing that I roughly agree with him on is that the Feast of Trumpets is a shadow of things to come. An event will take place similar to a trumpet blast to get our attention that the King is coming. Also the term "the many" can refer to ambassadors, so to confirm the covenant with the many does, at this point in my understanding, refer to the UN.
Since the book of Revelation does talk of one world government and one world religion it would certainly make sense that the seven year period begins with a covenant in the UN that is "confirmed" or "made stronger".
Because of that I am very interested in any covenant that is made stronger in the UN during the Feast of Trumpets.
Other than that I don't know enough about the Pact for the Future, or the involvement of the three people he focused on to have an opinion one way or the other.
I do not get involved in this because I am not sure. Yes, there are very significant verses about this topic and I will share them in a separate post on this thread, but even though I have developed some thoughts on this issue, I try to keep an open mind to what others say.
One thing that I roughly agree with him on is that the Feast of Trumpets is a shadow of things to come. An event will take place similar to a trumpet blast to get our attention that the King is coming. Also the term "the many" can refer to ambassadors, so to confirm the covenant with the many does, at this point in my understanding, refer to the UN.
Since the book of Revelation does talk of one world government and one world religion it would certainly make sense that the seven year period begins with a covenant in the UN that is "confirmed" or "made stronger".
Because of that I am very interested in any covenant that is made stronger in the UN during the Feast of Trumpets.
Other than that I don't know enough about the Pact for the Future, or the involvement of the three people he focused on to have an opinion one way or the other.
First of all, when you read eschatology which I have done quite a bit of while working on my blog about the rapture you see there are many different timelines that people have put together. It seems to me they cannot all be correct, in fact they could all be wrong, but they definitely could not all be right. However, in all the ones I look at there is a Biblical basis for what they write, however they are loose with the terminology.
For example "pre-tribulation" is a horrible term. Obviously all Christians go through tribulation, the dead in Christ who rise must have gone through tribulation, the martyrs went through tribulation, and the apostles went through tribulation. People get in trouble when they create non biblical terms. In Revelation 3 it says that Philadelphia will be kept from the hour of trial. So it seems to me that "pre-trial" rapture is Biblical whereas "pre-tribulation" rapture is not. Then people assume that the seven year tribulation equals the 70th week in Daniel. I am agnostic on that.
Another one is they equate "Jacob's trouble" with the seven year tribulation. That makes no sense to me. According to the Jews Jacob's trouble refers to the ten days from Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. So why wouldn't it refer to a ten year period?
So my point is simple, eschatology is so confused because people make up non Biblical terms and then make up assumptions based on those non Biblical terms. As a result we get way off. Also they think everything is the same, the seven year tribulation equals the 70th week which equals Jacob's trouble. Why? There is no Bible scripture that tells us that.
Instead consider what Ezekiel says about a wheel within a wheel. I think of the inside of a watch. They have three wheels, one for the second hand, one for the minute hand and one for the hour hand. They are all connected but they are not all identical. My point is the same with eschatology, perhaps all the timelines are connected but not all identical.
The second point I have about timelines is that they all confidently affirm they know when everything happens except they don't know when it begins. To me if you don't know when the first thing happens then I don't have confidence in all the other things on your timeline.
For example "pre-tribulation" is a horrible term. Obviously all Christians go through tribulation, the dead in Christ who rise must have gone through tribulation, the martyrs went through tribulation, and the apostles went through tribulation. People get in trouble when they create non biblical terms. In Revelation 3 it says that Philadelphia will be kept from the hour of trial. So it seems to me that "pre-trial" rapture is Biblical whereas "pre-tribulation" rapture is not. Then people assume that the seven year tribulation equals the 70th week in Daniel. I am agnostic on that.
Another one is they equate "Jacob's trouble" with the seven year tribulation. That makes no sense to me. According to the Jews Jacob's trouble refers to the ten days from Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. So why wouldn't it refer to a ten year period?
So my point is simple, eschatology is so confused because people make up non Biblical terms and then make up assumptions based on those non Biblical terms. As a result we get way off. Also they think everything is the same, the seven year tribulation equals the 70th week which equals Jacob's trouble. Why? There is no Bible scripture that tells us that.
Instead consider what Ezekiel says about a wheel within a wheel. I think of the inside of a watch. They have three wheels, one for the second hand, one for the minute hand and one for the hour hand. They are all connected but they are not all identical. My point is the same with eschatology, perhaps all the timelines are connected but not all identical.
The second point I have about timelines is that they all confidently affirm they know when everything happens except they don't know when it begins. To me if you don't know when the first thing happens then I don't have confidence in all the other things on your timeline.
If you have read post 23 and 24 then I can begin to provide scriptures that relate to the covenant. I am not claiming it is a seven year covenant, nor do I claim it is established by the prince to come. What Daniel actually says is that And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
The word confirm does not mean establish. It is better translated as "strengthen". Also this does not say that it is a one week or seven year covenant. It could be. But rather it says the covenant is strengthened for one week. Since the Antichrist and his army is destroyed in seven years that would be when the "strengthening" of the covenant is over. Also I think it is a fair assumption that when the UN and the one world government is destroyed so is their covenant. But that does not mean that it was a seven year covenant. When the US goes bankrupt all the debt they have issued also goes bankrupt. It may be a 20 year Tbill. When the debt was issued it didn't have an expiration date on the day that the US goes bankrupt. Same thing with a marriage covenant. No one gets married for seven years, but many people do get divorced after seven years. So my point is you can't rule out a covenant simply because it doesn't expire in seven years. Obviously if it did expire in seven years that would be very interesting.
Luke 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
The context of these verses is the Lord's second coming. But this wedding is not the Lord's wedding. The Lord's wedding will be in the Father's house, this wedding was somewhere else. We are the Lord's servants and we are also the Bride of Christ. In this account it describes us as the servants, not the Bride. So the Lord's wedding is our wedding and this is not our wedding. Also, what bridegroom comes back home on his wedding night and leaves the bride while he makes dinner for the servants?
So what these verses tell us is that Jesus' second coming is right after a wedding, but not His wedding?
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
What is the church age? This is the time when we preach repentance to the world to receive Jesus Christ as savior. Some will, some won't. But the end of the church age is when the entire world unites to pick the Antichrist over Jesus. That is the covenant that Daniel refers to and that is the wedding that Luke refers to and that is what Jesus is referring to here.
Absalom is a type of the Antichrist and he blew the trumpets in Hebron prior to invading Jerusalem and forcing David and the faithful followers to leave Jerusalem. I think those trumpets are a reference to the Feast of Trumpets.
Adonijah was a type of the Antichrist and he had a big banquet celebrating him being crowned king before David crowned Solomon King. I believe that banquet is this wedding that Jesus is referring to. It takes place before the rapture, not the other way around.
Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
I believe this midnight cry is another reference to the Feast of Trumpets. The actual term is Yom Teruah and that means a powerful blast, something that will turn the heads and get everyone's attention. I don't believe this means that the Antichrist is now revealed as wicked. On the contrary, this will be when the UN is forced to work with the prince who is to come to strengthen the covenant.
Jesus said it would be as the Days of Noah and Noah entered the ark before the flood, one week before the flood, because Methuselah died. There was a prophecy that when Methuselah dies the end comes. Methuselah was the longest living man on earth. We have another prophecy that Damascus will become a ruinous heap. That has never been fulfilled. However, Damascus is the oldest continually inhabited city on earth. So to me this prophecy about Damascus is similar to the prophecy about Methuselah.
Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
I think if this were to happen it would be a powerful blast that would get everyone's attention and turn their heads and would prompt the UN to strengthen their covenant against Israel. Just a theory, but I suspect this will be fulfilled on Feast of Trumpets.
The word confirm does not mean establish. It is better translated as "strengthen". Also this does not say that it is a one week or seven year covenant. It could be. But rather it says the covenant is strengthened for one week. Since the Antichrist and his army is destroyed in seven years that would be when the "strengthening" of the covenant is over. Also I think it is a fair assumption that when the UN and the one world government is destroyed so is their covenant. But that does not mean that it was a seven year covenant. When the US goes bankrupt all the debt they have issued also goes bankrupt. It may be a 20 year Tbill. When the debt was issued it didn't have an expiration date on the day that the US goes bankrupt. Same thing with a marriage covenant. No one gets married for seven years, but many people do get divorced after seven years. So my point is you can't rule out a covenant simply because it doesn't expire in seven years. Obviously if it did expire in seven years that would be very interesting.
Luke 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
The context of these verses is the Lord's second coming. But this wedding is not the Lord's wedding. The Lord's wedding will be in the Father's house, this wedding was somewhere else. We are the Lord's servants and we are also the Bride of Christ. In this account it describes us as the servants, not the Bride. So the Lord's wedding is our wedding and this is not our wedding. Also, what bridegroom comes back home on his wedding night and leaves the bride while he makes dinner for the servants?
So what these verses tell us is that Jesus' second coming is right after a wedding, but not His wedding?
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
What is the church age? This is the time when we preach repentance to the world to receive Jesus Christ as savior. Some will, some won't. But the end of the church age is when the entire world unites to pick the Antichrist over Jesus. That is the covenant that Daniel refers to and that is the wedding that Luke refers to and that is what Jesus is referring to here.
Absalom is a type of the Antichrist and he blew the trumpets in Hebron prior to invading Jerusalem and forcing David and the faithful followers to leave Jerusalem. I think those trumpets are a reference to the Feast of Trumpets.
Adonijah was a type of the Antichrist and he had a big banquet celebrating him being crowned king before David crowned Solomon King. I believe that banquet is this wedding that Jesus is referring to. It takes place before the rapture, not the other way around.
Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
I believe this midnight cry is another reference to the Feast of Trumpets. The actual term is Yom Teruah and that means a powerful blast, something that will turn the heads and get everyone's attention. I don't believe this means that the Antichrist is now revealed as wicked. On the contrary, this will be when the UN is forced to work with the prince who is to come to strengthen the covenant.
Jesus said it would be as the Days of Noah and Noah entered the ark before the flood, one week before the flood, because Methuselah died. There was a prophecy that when Methuselah dies the end comes. Methuselah was the longest living man on earth. We have another prophecy that Damascus will become a ruinous heap. That has never been fulfilled. However, Damascus is the oldest continually inhabited city on earth. So to me this prophecy about Damascus is similar to the prophecy about Methuselah.
Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
I think if this were to happen it would be a powerful blast that would get everyone's attention and turn their heads and would prompt the UN to strengthen their covenant against Israel. Just a theory, but I suspect this will be fulfilled on Feast of Trumpets.
@DRobinson I hope you have not forgotten. Rapture by December 21st.
Gave up? I didn't know I had ever tried this before. I promised @DRobinson I'd apologize for being wrong if the rapture did not take place by the end of the 21st so I didn't want him to forget.
What a lot of people miss is that I am not the only one "date setting". So is @DRobinson by saying the rapture won't happen by then. So let's hope he apologizes if he is wrong.
What a lot of people miss is that I am not the only one "date setting". So is @DRobinson by saying the rapture won't happen by then. So let's hope he apologizes if he is wrong.
I get that this will provoke some, but my point is simple. There is simply no Biblical basis to say that we cannot know the year, or season of the rapture. The fact that others have been wrong, and of course I may also be wrong, does not mean anything more than that. Never once did Jesus or any of the apostles say we could not know the year of the rapture or the season. On the contrary Jesus rebuked the Jews because they did not know the time of their visitation. Today it is easy to piece together the Biblical basis to know when Jesus would be crucified. I could see someone not knowing precisely what time of the year, but once John the Baptist said that Jesus was the lamb of God they should have even known the day and hour of His crucifixion.
My second point is that all those mocking, scoffing and assuring us that the rapture is not this year are also date setting. They are doing the very thing they are mocking and scoffing and demanding apologies for. So let's hope they all apologize if they are wrong.
My second point is that all those mocking, scoffing and assuring us that the rapture is not this year are also date setting. They are doing the very thing they are mocking and scoffing and demanding apologies for. So let's hope they all apologize if they are wrong.
I realize that by this time everyone has basically chosen a side and that is fine because we will all be able to learn some lessons from this.
There are those who have decided you have a bunch of conspiracy theorists and you have to ignore them. They don't trust the government when it tells them an experimental vaccine that has not been tested is safe and effective, that is absurd, why would the government lie to us. They mandate a vaccine illegally, that is because they love us and by us I don't mean those horrible anti vaxx people I mean the good people who even wear their mask while driving their car. Sure they told us Putin was bluffing before invading Ukraine and they were wrong about that, but they would never ever lie to us about something so serious as nuclear holocaust. The Bible says "when they say Peace and Security then sudden destruction comes" but that is like magic formula. The Bible never said when they say "Putin is weak" or "Putin is bluffing". Sure there are some UN documents that use that phrase repeatedly, but there are two very different ways to interpret the Bible here. Either the Bible is telling us those in charge will be lying to you and you can't trust them, or you can interpret the Bible so that it becomes meaningless and powerless. Sure they told us that Hillary was going to win by 12 points in a blow out and they told us that the Kamala race was "too close to call". But wouldn't it be more comforting to believe they are simply incompetent than to believe they are lying to our face because they think we are idiots?
Besides, what better way to test the theory than to see if Putin is actually bluffing or if Kyiv is about to be incinerated in a nuclear holocaust by a missile named Satan?
That is a red line that once you cross it, everything becomes suddenly.
But I know this post will not change anyones mind. How do I know this? Because no one has asked what the Biblical basis is to say the rapture is this year or this season.
Nope, the world lives in denial. They interpret "no one knows the day or the hour" to mean no one can know the year, there are no signs, and so shut your eyes, shut your mouth, and let's everyone just pretend that the book of Revelation was talking about 70 AD. Some verses must be taken so literally that they have no meaning and others have to be taken so figuratively that they have no meaning. A third of the trees burned up -- figurative, maybe they are talking about just in the little land of Israel. A third of the people died, not in the whole world, just among Jews, after the gospel had already gone out into the world.
There are those who have decided you have a bunch of conspiracy theorists and you have to ignore them. They don't trust the government when it tells them an experimental vaccine that has not been tested is safe and effective, that is absurd, why would the government lie to us. They mandate a vaccine illegally, that is because they love us and by us I don't mean those horrible anti vaxx people I mean the good people who even wear their mask while driving their car. Sure they told us Putin was bluffing before invading Ukraine and they were wrong about that, but they would never ever lie to us about something so serious as nuclear holocaust. The Bible says "when they say Peace and Security then sudden destruction comes" but that is like magic formula. The Bible never said when they say "Putin is weak" or "Putin is bluffing". Sure there are some UN documents that use that phrase repeatedly, but there are two very different ways to interpret the Bible here. Either the Bible is telling us those in charge will be lying to you and you can't trust them, or you can interpret the Bible so that it becomes meaningless and powerless. Sure they told us that Hillary was going to win by 12 points in a blow out and they told us that the Kamala race was "too close to call". But wouldn't it be more comforting to believe they are simply incompetent than to believe they are lying to our face because they think we are idiots?
Besides, what better way to test the theory than to see if Putin is actually bluffing or if Kyiv is about to be incinerated in a nuclear holocaust by a missile named Satan?
That is a red line that once you cross it, everything becomes suddenly.
But I know this post will not change anyones mind. How do I know this? Because no one has asked what the Biblical basis is to say the rapture is this year or this season.
Nope, the world lives in denial. They interpret "no one knows the day or the hour" to mean no one can know the year, there are no signs, and so shut your eyes, shut your mouth, and let's everyone just pretend that the book of Revelation was talking about 70 AD. Some verses must be taken so literally that they have no meaning and others have to be taken so figuratively that they have no meaning. A third of the trees burned up -- figurative, maybe they are talking about just in the little land of Israel. A third of the people died, not in the whole world, just among Jews, after the gospel had already gone out into the world.