Understanding God’s election

[GWH]

Does one's nature affect the will?

Yes. Human nature has moral free will (MFW), whereas animals do not have MFW and thus are not accountable for their behavior.
Our MFW can choose life/seek God (DT 30:19) or not (MT 23:37), but God desires for us to seek/cooperate with His POS and be saved (1TM 2:3-5). This understanding affirms both God's sovereignty and His all-lovingness/righteousness (PS 145:17).

 

[Cameron143]

Yes. Human nature has moral free will (MFW), whereas animals do not have MFW and thus are not accountable for their behavior.
Our MFW can choose life/seek God (DT 30:19) or not (MT 23:37), but God desires for us to seek/cooperate with His POS and be saved (1TM 2:3-5). This understanding affirms both God's sovereignty and His all-lovingness/righteousness (PS 145:17).

You don't see the ambivalence in your statement? Free means unemcumbered. Every question you have answered has acknowledged some form of exertion on the will of man. How then do you call it free?

 

[cv5]

Seed of the devil is about how mankind changed into the image of Satan after the fall.
Even now. Believers walking in their flesh will lie and maneuver to get our way to win an argument.

Besides...

How do you know what ran through Adam's mind after he ran and hid?
Do you?

Adam? Had no faith?

Then, why do we see why the Lord shedding the blood of animals as evidenced with the animal skins that the Lord provided for Adam and Eve to cover themselves with? God accepted their repentance for doing wrong.

Another thing.
Why do you need everything spelled out for you in black and white?

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge ​

and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may ​

be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness ​

that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God." Philippians 1:9-11​

Insight does not appear in black and white.
Insight has been an ongoing part of the spiritual life of those who are growing in grace and understanding.

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Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”​

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They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going ​

to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body." John 2:19-21​

If someone like you been there?
He would have been demanding that someone explain, "Where did he say it was about his body?"

We're all in the Bible.
Sometimes, it takes insight to see how.

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Good insights there on.....insight.

Really the millstone around the neck of the clueless hyper-Cals is their penchant for linear limited Greek type thinking and foolish sophistry. You must begin to think in a near-Eastern mindset to really grasp what Scripture is saying. That is how they butcher Romans 8 and 9 and so-called "predestination" and their total fail to comprehend the absolute Scriptural requirement of free will in created beings.

To this day @Magenta insists that permission was not asked of Mary by Gabriel.
But given Mary's response there is no doubt that it was.
As if every word of their conversation had to be recorded to make any sense. Preposterous.

 

[rogerg]

You must begin to think in a near-Eastern mindset to really grasp what Scripture is saying

Are you suggesting that the Bible, in itself, is incomplete, therefore, not authored by God, requiring further filtering and completion through uninspired external sources to be correctly understood?

 

[GWH]

You don't see the ambivalence in your statement? Free means unemcumbered. Every question you have answered has acknowledged some form of exertion on the will of man. How then do you call it free?

In the same way no sane person has ever claimed volition means man can choose to do everything or be superman--or that no man can choose to do anything, absolving him of all guilt! What is YOUR definition?

 

[Cameron143]

In the same way no sane person has ever claimed volition means man can choose to do everything or be superman--or that no man can choose to do anything, absolving him of all guilt! What is YOUR definition?

Man certainly has a will, but it is no longer free. Adam and Eve and Jesus are the only ones whose wills were not encumbered because they were not under the bondage of sin. The rest of us, and Adam and Eve after sin, are subject to a sinful nature. That nature inherent in fallen man impacts all a person does unless another nature is added that is greater than the other.

 

[cv5]

Are you suggesting that the Bible, in itself, is incomplete, therefore, not authored by God, requiring further filtering and completion through uninspired external sources to be correctly understood?

Why in the world did you pull that out the recesses of your imagination?
Only a ignoramus or fool would come to such a conclusion.

 

[rogerg]

Why in the world did you pull that out the recesses of your imagination?
Only a ignoramus or fool would come to such a conclusion.

You are calling me an ignoramus or fool for questioning your statement? Your text was clear, that the scripture does not
stand on its own but needs something else outside of itself - "the near eastern mindset" - for it to be understood - there is no getting around it. Since it was you who made the statement, either back it up with justification or it is you who is the ignoramus or fool. If you won't/are unable to do so, then stop insulting those who bring to light your obviously stupid, unbiblical, statements.

 

[HeIsHere]

Would you care to show how election (including Gentiles) in Romans 9
has been taken out of context by me?

Was the letter written to you in this time period? Were you part of the group of people Paul was addressing in his letter?

 

[HeIsHere]

You have no fee will!

Then why do you leave it to me to believe that?

Perfect.
It (small c calvinism or big C calvinism or anything inbetween) is so full of contradictions and convoluted.

To deny that a person has the ability, by God's provision, to believe the truth inherent in the Gospel message is heretical really.

 

[rogerg]

Perfect.
It (small c calvinism or big C calvinism or anything inbetween) is so full of contradictions and convoluted.

To deny that a person has the ability, by God's provision, to believe the truth inherent in the Gospel message is heretical really.

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[HeIsHere]

According to the hyper-Calvinists, there are NO heroes of faith in Hebrews 11.

Likewise there are NO OVERCOMERS either.

For them its all a cruel joke, a pack of lies, and a grand deception.

And they are okay with that.

 

[HeIsHere]

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

I have exegeted that so many times correctly according to context. It does not change anything.

 

[rogerg]

I have exegeted that so many times correctly according to context. It does not change anything.

Sounds like ducking to me
The verse speaks for itself

 

[HeIsHere]

Sounds like ducking to me
The verse speaks for itself

Of course, proof texting is how TULIP is built, not in exegeted text and sound hermeneutics.

 

[rogerg]

Of course, proof texting is how TULIP is built, not in exegeted text and sound hermeneutics.

You're still ducking

 

[HeIsHere]

You're still ducking

I exegeted the verse for you already, about a year ago I think, I see no point doing it again, you did not accept then and you will not now.

 

[rogerg]

You must begin to think in a near-Eastern mindset to really grasp what Scripture is saying.

Still waiting for your biblical justification of the above? Oh wait - is it that you have no justification?

 

[cv5]

Still waiting for your biblical justification of the above? Oh wait - is it that you have no justification?

My justification of same is......YOU.

 

[cv5]

I have exegeted that so many times correctly according to context. It does not change anything.

Hyper-Cals are one verse wonders.