Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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The Jews believe the ten commandments fold in on each other so that 1 goes with 6, 2 with 7, etc.

Consider Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy and thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Don't hide the fact that you are a Christian. If you hide your faith that is bearing false witness and it is against your neighbor because he will ask "why didn't you ever tell me?"

Consider honor your father and mother with thou shalt not covet. Many of us think of cars, houses, skills, jobs, etc. But don't covet another father, don't say I "if only I had been born in that family", etc.
 

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The word "Lord" is quite interesting. I noticed that in Jeremiah, Haggai and Zechariah it is used a lot, about 12 times per chapter. Generally speaking Lord is said about 5 times per chapter, much more in the Old Testament than in the New. For example the two books in the New Testament that say Lord the most are Luke and Acts, but they average about 4 times per chapter. The book in the New Testament that has the highest average is Jude with 6 mentions of Lord. Think about that, Jude didn't want to focus on the warfare, rather he felt compelled.

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

But in the Old Testament Jeremiah, Haggai and Zechariah all average very close to 12 times per chapter. That also is because of ungodly men.

What does this mean? It may mean that we have been given a new heart, a heart of flesh, and that means we don't need to see Jesus as Lord as often in the New Testament as we did in the Old.

I used to teach HS in the inner city of New York. As a teacher you must wear many hats, one of which is "Lord", but that is not one you want to wear. It is essential that you deal with discipline issues thoroughly and in a way that is conducive to the entire class moving forward throughout the year. I learned that you cannot bluff, you absolutely must follow through. On the other hand you need to find that path that leads to everyone moving forward.

My certification was not in Chemistry, I don't have a degree in Chemistry, but I will always say that Chemistry was the easiest class I ever taught. The reason was simple, these were the best students in the school and discipline was not an issue. The classroom they gave me was smaller than the other rooms and yet I had 35 students the most you can have. The room was so packed you couldn't walk around in it. In any other subject it would have been a catastrophe trying to teach. But in this class it was a non issue because the kids all wanted to learn, to pass, and to be able to pass the regents exam.

Interestingly there are only two books in the New Testament that do not mention Lord, and that is 1 John and 3 John. There are only two books in the Old Testament that don't mention Lord, Esther and Song of Songs.

So then what is the point? We are being trained to rule and to reign with Christ. That is what you saw in Esther and that is what you saw in 3 John. What is ruling and reigning other than walking in the truth. We are drawn to the Lord when He is revealed as our first love, that is the essence of the gospel.

3 John 4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

Walking in the truth includes not following that which is evil.

9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
 

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God will bear them witness

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mtce_A8IJrvyrA8kXIbD26ZrZqYNezZQ/view?usp=sharing

This is a Pdf that gives 6 Biblical references that point to the timing of the rapture. No verse tells you the day or the hour, but each one does narrow it down.

Also since one of the key points is the Lord's table that was established by the Lord after He said no one knows the day or the hour. So even if these six Biblical verses do point to a single day it is only after the Lord established the Lord's table. So there is nothing in this theory that contradicts the word of God. Jesus never said we would never know, and in fact when He did say no one knows the day or the hour He also said that the Father knew. The Old testament told us that God does nothing without telling his prophets, so the verse implied that although we didn't know at the time we would be told in the future prior to it happening.
 

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Zechariah 10:5 And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the Lord is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.

This portion answers one of my big questions about the rapture.

6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them.

I think the house of Judah refers today to Israel and the house of Joseph to the US. I have said this before, 49% of Jews live in Israel and 49% live in the USA. Also I suspect that is also true of Christians, that 50% live in the USA and 50% live in the rest of the world.

7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord.

The house of Joseph refers to both Manasseh and Ephraim. The blessing to Joseph was the blessing to scientists. Germany used to be the world leader in science, I would liken them to Manasseh and then when the US became the world leader in science they were the younger brother, Ephraim.

So then the believers in the US will be like a mighty man. What does that mean? Mighty in prayer, mighty in word, mighty in deed? This is what I have come to realize about the end of the age. Jesus will have an army that has been built up like a mighty championship team. Think about it, in the NFL there are 26 teams and one team wins the championship. I think this will be like the 144,000, a mighty team that the Lord has raised up. Not everyone who is raptured is part of the 144,000 I get that, just as when you go to play the championship game you have cheerleaders and others who are not on the field. But instead of being hung up on all the terrible visions of the Antichrist and the Beast the real vision for me is this mighty conquering army the Lord has raised up that will put the rest of the world to shame.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

This is the only use of this word "observation" and so it is unique to Luke and represents part of the unique agenda for the gospel of Luke. I believe that Luke was written to those who are raptured before the tribulation. So there is a temptation that the kingdom of God comes by observation, perhaps watching the news, listening to all the rumors of war, counting the earthquakes, etc.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The other error of course is to think I need to go here to this cult or there to that cult. Everyone has this natural inclination or temptation to be looking outward, either they are watching the news or they are watching some man. But neither of those things is what brings the kingdom of God. What brings the kingdom of God is that it grows within us, like a tree planted by the water. Prior to these verses about house of Joseph being a mighty man Zechariah talked about the golden lampstand with seven lamps and the two witnesses supplying the oil. At Zechariah's time the two witnesses would have been the Law and the prophets. Today it would be the Old Testament and the New Testament.
 

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Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The context of this verse is

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

I don't believe the 70th week can be "shortened", rather it is 7 years. Also, I don't believe the time periods of time, times and half a time can be shortened. These time periods are in the covenants with God, it is a legally binding contract. However the period of time of "affliction, such as was not from the beginning of creation", that can be shortened. Nothing says that affliction must last for 3 1/2 years or for 7 years.

There are two ways to shorten the time of affliction, either it can start after the seven years starts or it can end before the seven years ends. However, based on the account, I don't see it being the second option. The account of the tribulation is that it is bad and just gets worse and worse until Armageddon at which point almost all flesh is dead. That would not help anyone get saved if after everyone is dead you have a few months without affliction.

Also, I believe that Mark is written to the tribulation saints which are on earth during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. If that entire time was affliction as had never been seen how was that shortened? But if the affliction doesn't start at the beginning of the seven years but rather it starts a few months later then even though the time period is 3 1/2 years, the great affliction is a shorter time.

For example, everyone understands that Antichrist gets to reign for 7 years, but nothing says that part of his reign is not in secret. We know that Babylon the Great must be overthrown in an hour and that this will throw the whole world into great affliction. But nothing says their overthrow needs to be prior to the seven years.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

I believe that Matthew is written to the Jews who get saved. This verse is only in Mark and Matthew, it is not in Luke. So this does not apply to the saints raptured before the tribulation. The context of this verse in Matthew is

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Clearly what is being shortened is the great tribulation that takes place, not the seven years nor the severity. This great tribulation will be the worst thing humanity has ever seen or ever will see. That doesn't change, rather what changes is the time that this takes place, that is shortened and the reason is so that people can be saved. Therefore the shortening must be at the front before people have died.

This is important because the seven year period of the seventieth week could have begun October 2, 2024.
 

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The Pearl Harbor Moment of Past Words 12-2-24@2:15 PM ***No year has been given for this word so please try, test, discern and pray about this in Jesus Christ’s Name as the Word of God instructs all His children to do in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 & 1 John 4:1. God bless. Stay under the Blood of Jesus Christ always. Vicmki Goforth Parnell***

Daughter........ Hear me. No more delays, I move on Putin to fire. Even with all the warnings, even with ALL the warnings, all the warnings your people have still failed to repent. Did you not see how they boast? “Putin is trembling in fear. Putin is not going to move. Putin is not much of a man.” PUTIN IS A MONSTER AND THEY DON'T KNOW IT. Within him lies the antichrist spirit. He will fire on Ukraine. He will burn it down and what's left will go into captivity to him. He is part of this end plan. He must reacquire the land that belonged to Gog. But daughter, daughter Ukraine is wicked, it's evil. The insides...... It's like a cancerous sickness with all the corrupt filth, the blackmail, the money laundering, the lies, the trafficking...... I see it all. Everybody is expecting “Oreshnik.” I say, “Satan comes to Ukraine and it will level Kyiv.” Hear me now daughter the questions you seek, you've been thinking about Pearl harbor I say now, "Your Pearl harbor attack that you are looking for is of a nuclear sort." Yes, Hawaii will be attacked. Yes, Hawaii will be in the invasion. Yes, Hawaii will have parts of its Islands taken. Yes, yes, yes. But the Pearl Harbor moment is a surprise attack like that a Pearl harbor from the enemy. But daughter, your enemies lie within your own government..... and without. What you are feeling is that feeling of dread. That feeling of this is going to happen even though you wanted it to come to pass, you don't want it to come to pass. Because you've seen what nuclear war looks like. You've seen the burning flesh as it drips from the bodies. It must be daughter, it must be. Your nation will not celebrate another New Year daughter. You'll be in war that leads to captivity. And I hear your question. Is war going to be a strike on NATO which causes the US to be in war with Russia? Yes and no. Yes there will be strikes and attacks with NATO and Russia. But no daughter, Putin with fire. He will fire his nuclear weapon. And I hear you say, "How is that possible when Taiwan has not even been invaded, the darkness has not come?" The suddenlies daughter, the suddenlies. The suddenlies daughter, it's going to happen so fast no one will have time to breathe hardly. And I warned them all. I warned My people. I warned My children. I warned the unsaved through My children. So what happens is by your own choice. Tell My children to get ready to leave because I'm getting ready to come. And I have said this over and over and many are getting lax because I keep warning that I'm on My way. Daughter, I am literally on my way. I'm commanding the darkness to come to be for 3 days. I'm commanding Putin to fire. I'm commanding all these things to happen...... the suitcase nukes. So I can come for My beloved children. Now warn My people it's time for this to happen. While they all just wiped their mouths from their fat dinners Putin was waiting for this opportune time. And that's how He ended the Word. Note: when Jesus Christ mentioned that I was wanting it to come to pass but I didn't he was referring to where I want his bride to leave, for him to come get my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ and get them out of all the sinful world but I don't want all the war and bad things that must come even though I know they have to or the end times to be fulfilled. Verses Ezekiel 38 & 39; Matthew 24:6; Jeremiah 17:9; Genesis 6:5; Matthew 15:18-19; 1 John 4:3; 1 John 2:18; Proverbs 21:1; Psalms 2: 1-5; Galatians 6:9; Hebrews 9:28; Matthew 25:13; Revelation 3:10-11; 20; John 10:28-30; Daniel 2:21-22; Ecclesiastes 3:1-8; Luke 21:25-28; James 1:2 Some of the prior Pearl Harbor Information What was Pearl Harbor? A surprise attack by the enemy on America. On Pearl Harbor. The Black King Rises 11-26-22@7:06 PM This word came from my lovely Jesus after deep prayer. Riots in China.... Smokescreen for real activities of Xi Jinping—Taiwan No Christmas Day celebration on the 25th of December. Black king rises from pits of the abyss. Another Pearl Harbor attack, it will be on 7th of December. Tell my people to get the sin out now because tomorrow is too late for some. Hawaii is about to go under daughter. Your Pearl Harbor moment is the invasion on your nation. Note: Symbolic: Hawaii was the location of Pearl Harbor but represents our nation in this phrase because Jesus Christ says “Your pearl harbor moment.” What was pearl harbor? It was a surprise attack on America/Hawaii by the enemy. Hawaii is symbolic for the whole US. Look to the 7th daughter. Look to the 7th for the ending of it all! The beginning of the end this I say. The black king! The black king! The black king rises tonight! Apollyon has come to your world daughter and most of your world's people haven't even got a clue of what great evil has risen from below. Pearl Harbor Vision 11-3-23 While driving back to Alabama from Tennessee a vision appeared before my eyes. It was as if the sky rolled apart. It was only a few short moments but I saw a lot in this short time. I saw a harbor that was made of pearls. Pearls adorned it in large sizes. It was built out of round pearls. I saw colorful confetti began falling from the sky. So, I looked up to see where it was originating from. Fireworks! It looked like exploding fireworks. Then next I heard a voice yell, “Surprise!” Like one would do at a surprise birthday party. But then as the different colored confetti began hitting the nearby buildings, ships and the harbor made of pearls each piece began exploding like bombs. Explosions were occurring everywhere. Then just as suddenly it appeared it was gone as if it had never appeared in the sky. I looked down at the van’s digital clock and it read 6:59.
 

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The Pearl Harbor Moment of Past Words 12-2-24@2:15 PM ***No year has been given for this word so please try, test, discern and pray about this in Jesus Christ’s Name as the Word of God instructs all His children to do in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 & 1 John 4:1. God bless. Stay under the Blood of Jesus Christ always. Vicmki Goforth Parnell***
I am not going to put words in her mouth, however, I will comment on things that stand out to me.

1. Pearl Harbor Moment -- I think that is more significant than "surprise attack". We had a surprise attack on 911, there have been many surprise attacks in human history and in the US.

A. Pearl Harbor is what forced the US to join WW2 which was already raging in Europe.
B. Pearl Harbor was a military attack.
C. Pearl Harbor was on December 7th, and on Sunday morning.
D. Pearl Harbor woke up Americans to the threat of Hitler and his axis of evil.

Notice how this is "Pearl Harbor moment of past words". This is a reference to warnings that we got a year ago that this dream clearly says have gone unheeded. The same thing happened with Pearl Harbor. When the Japanese bombers took off from the aircraft carriers they didn't have enough fuel to make the round trip. The Japanese were banking on the fact that the aircraft carriers would continue coming towards the island so that the return trip would be shorter. My point is that had our airforce gotten up into the air and had dog fights many of the planes would have run out of fuel and ditched in the ocean. Our radar did spot the planes coming but the man in charge dismissed it, just as we see this dream talking about how many have dismissed these warnings. He didn't want to alert the entire base on a Sunday morning if he was wrong. The problem is that it takes 15 minutes for the ships to power up the engines so that they can leave the harbor. If he had sounded the alarm the ships could have begun that process, all the planes could have gotten off the airfield and some scouts could have gone out to intercept these planes. It would have taken them 15 minutes flying to intercept them as they were coming in, by that time the ships would have been ready to leave the port and would have had 15 minutes to do so and would have had gunners ready and waiting for the planes to arrive. Plus our airforce could have then intercepted them about 7 minutes from Pearl Harbor. Even if the air force did not stop them the extra fuel and time spent in dog fights would have given our ships even more time to blast them out of the sky and they would have all run out of fuel. When bombers are loaded down with bombs they are slow and easy targets for fighter jets. My point is if the officer in charge of the radar had sounded the alarm Pearl Harbor would have been a massive victory for the US, not a defeat. Then our navy could have given chase to the Japanese navy. We would have all of our ships and they would not have had planes to defend the aircraft carriers. Instead of us losing our navy it could have been Japan that suffered a crippling defeat. Without them being able to take over the Pacific we could have focuses our forces on the campaign in Europe and who knows, WW2 could have been over years earlier.
 

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The Pearl Harbor Moment of Past Words 12-2-24@2:15 PM ***No year has been given for this word so please try, test, discern and pray about this in Jesus Christ’s Name as the Word of God instructs all His children to do in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 & 1 John 4:1. God bless. Stay under the Blood of Jesus Christ always. Vicmki Goforth Parnell***

Daughter........ Hear me. No more delays, I move on Putin to fire. Even with all the warnings, even with ALL the warnings, all the warnings your people have still failed to repent. Did you not see how they boast? “Putin is trembling in fear. Putin is not going to move. Putin is not much of a man.” PUTIN IS A MONSTER AND THEY DON'T KNOW IT. Within him lies the antichrist spirit. He will fire on Ukraine. He will burn it down and what's left will go into captivity to him. He is part of this end plan. He must reacquire the land that belonged to Gog.
Now the reference to Pearl Harbor does not have to be a reference to December 7. However, do we really think "no more delays" could mean this war will take another year before Putin attacks the US? We have already been told in the four chains dream that the nuke of Kyiv is like a link in the chain attached to the suitcase nukes in the US. You see one link move you can be sure the other link is moving too.

This dream confirms that Putin and Russia refer to God, a demon king. The question is how much longer? Does anyone think he will wait until January 20th when Trump takes power?

I believe that December 25th is a very significant date for Putin because that is the anniversary of the collapse of the USSR. I think he wants the US collapse to have taken place by that time. People need to understand there will be a communications blackout during the collapse. That will be about two weeks. At the end of those two weeks when the communications are turned back on he will want it clear that they have collapsed. This is more than a hunch. N. Korea has promised a Christmas gift for the US. Again, not a coincidence, a clue. If you are going to roll in with your military you want that to take place after the spring thaw. Perhaps in May. However, if the surprise attack is at the start of the winter people will freeze to death, they will starve and they will get sick. This makes is much easier a few months later for your military to roll in and take possession.

You would not do a surprise attack in June. People can survive very well outside of their homes in the summer and there is plenty of food to gather or fish to catch. So starvation would be much less, plague would be much less and no one would freeze to death.
 

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The insides...... It's like a cancerous sickness with all the corrupt filth, the blackmail, the money laundering, the lies, the trafficking...... I see it all. Everybody is expecting “Oreshnik.” I say, “Satan comes to Ukraine and it will level Kyiv.” Hear me now daughter the questions you seek, you've been thinking about Pearl harbor I say now, "Your Pearl harbor attack that you are looking for is of a nuclear sort." Yes, Hawaii will be attacked. Yes, Hawaii will be in the invasion. Yes, Hawaii will have parts of its Islands taken. Yes, yes, yes. But the Pearl Harbor moment is a surprise attack like that a Pearl harbor from the enemy. But daughter, your enemies lie within your own government..... and without.
This is a big confirmation. If the enemy lies within and not just without then they must act prior to Trump taking power. Yes, January 20th is the inauguration, but by then he will be completely ready to take power. January 6th is when the states send their delegates to the congress to confirm, and December 17th is when the states certify their votes. The more time they give Trump the more time he has to get ready. If they hit the US before the 17th everything will be in disarray and confusion.

Also when this dream says that "Satan comes to Ukraine" it is no coincidence that Putins nuclear missile is called Satan 2. He has already positioned them to fire. these two points are also not coincidence but clues that this will happen very soon.
 

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What you are feeling is that feeling of dread. That feeling of this is going to happen even though you wanted it to come to pass, you don't want it to come to pass.


This is my understanding of what she shared --

You want it to come to pass (rapture) and you don't want it to come to pass (judgment on the apostate church and the USA).

Because you've seen what nuclear war looks like. You've seen the burning flesh as it drips from the bodies. It must be daughter, it must be.
Why doesn't she want it to come to pass? Because she has seen the horrors of nuclear war, "burning flesh as it drips from the bodies".

Your nation will not celebrate another New Year daughter. You'll be in war that leads to captivity.
Now that seems quite clear to me. This catastrophe takes place soon. At first glance it seems this will take place prior to New Year's day. However, technically that is not what He says. You won't celebrate another New Year could refer to New Year's day or it could refer to the entire New Year. I am inclined to believe this is saying we won't celebrate another New Year's day, that the Pearl Harbor like attack will be prior to that.

Now the idea of a Pearl harbor is definitely a reference to the rapture as well as a surprise attack on the US. The entrance to the New Jerusalem, every gate is a pearl, so Biblical typology would indicate this is our entrance into the New Jerusalem.
 

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Remove The Accursed Things, Satan Flies Tomorrow 12-5-24@ 4:29 PM

 

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Remove The Accursed Things, Satan Flies Tomorrow 12-5-24@ 4:29 PM

The word "tomorrow" does not always refer to the very next day on the calendar. For example, "tomorrow" might be a reference to "the day of the Lord".

What I think we can all understand with certainty is that in Joel the sign that is given is a sign that the day of the Lord is at hand (near) and since that is a reference to the pandemic we are certainly even nearer to the Day of the Lord now.

In Daniel we are told that the same night Daniel interprets the writing on the wall sign is when Babylon is overthrown and I understand that to mean it will be the same year now, which is 2024.

In 2023 we saw the Psalm 83 war take place and now we see that Gog must take back Ukraine to get all of his land before we get to Ezekiel 38.

So regardless of whether or not this is talking about Russia firing the Satan missile this weekend, we know it must be very close.

In these dreams we have been told that the Satan missile nuking Kyiv is like a link in the chain connected to the suitcase nukes in America, and that attack is likened to Pearl Harbor which was on December 7. So it is perfectly reasonable to think this might be a reference to Dec 6 for Kyiv to be destroyed and Dec 7 for the attack on the US.
 

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"When the accursed thing is in the camp I will not move".

They are in love with their trinkets, their money, their brand name clothes, their makeup, their looks. They are in love with the luxury of this world and many of these items are accursed. Many of these things they put in their homes. Many of these brands have been cursed, they were created with demon DNA and turned into physical form. It is a stench, it is foul, and many of my children invite it into their homes. They are looking into the spirit but they are not looking into their own homes. Try and test your video collections, your perfumes, your colognes, even try and test your hair products.

This is why you pray and you check with me. This is why you don't use certain brands.

Satan flies tomorrow to the Ukraine.
 

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Identifying the cursed thing

When I was a new Christian I burned my music albums because I realized they were idolatrous and I threw away some of my clothes because it also was idolatrous. I lived in a brothers house and moved several times causing me to have very few possessions which probably also was a protection. I think this is why I have have not had the problems others have.

But the word that stood out to me is that Achan "coveted" the item. That is what I would ask, is there anything that I covet? My wife will not throw anything away. Fortunately when we moved from NYC I was able to throw away 80% of our possessions. I have no doubt up in the attic there must have been accursed things, that house had been there for sixty years and all the stuff in the attic was not put up there by me. They weren't my things so I felt I had no right to discard them, but moving away allowed us to become separate. People that never should have had any reason to get upset about that move got very upset so that is a tip that Satan had something up there.

So that is what I would be looking for, is there anything that would cause an unreasonable response if you were to discard it. Anything that you covet.
 

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One more thing about the "cursed thing". Often you will find you are making excuses for it, saying things like "there is nothing wrong with a Christian having this". If you have the Lord living within you the thing will be like having a pebble in your shoe.
 

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One more thing, I would be very leery of gifts. I don't put up a Christmas tree and yet my sister sends me an "ornament" which looked like a handmade angel made out of straw. As soon as I saw it the alarm bells were going off in my head, I wanted that out of my house.
 

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Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

This is why we lift up prayers to the Lord. When He answers prayers it causes His name to be great among the nations. But it needs to be a pure offering.
 

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Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. 2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

I had this experience. When I was growing up we would buy a live tree for Christmas and then afterwards we would give it to the town and plant it. We planted four or five trees around town and when I would see them I would know "those are our trees". One year the Episcopal priest came out with incense and blessed our tree. That was the only tree we planted that died and it died immediately.