Understanding God’s election

[HeIsHere]

Sure the gospel is simple...Christ and Him crucified. That's what should be preached from every pulpit.
The logic you follow is not the logic the reformed faith. You will never find this conclusion among the reformed.

Okay..
Sermon is then..

"Christ was crucified and then rose from the dead.

I do not have to explain it any further what it means for you on a personal level becuase you cannot believe it or exercise faith IN Christ Jesus as the object of your faith as God requires, so no worries the wind blows where it will and you might get lucky before you die.

Since this is all goobly gook/foolishness to you as Paul explains so clearly, again no worries being a member of the Reformed Church means most likely you are one of the elect because that is who gathers here."

 

[rogerg]

Please chew on DT 30:19 until you can digest it.

Yeah, I've digested it. That was under the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant. No choice given under the
NC - God does it all. See the "I will" and "will I" etc? Choice was a work required under the OC not the NC.

[Heb 10:16 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[Heb 10:17 KJV] 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[rogerg]

So you are saying that knowing the exact outworking of salvation is necessary to salvation?
I can board a plane without knowing all the physics that allow a plane to fly, right?

Gospel agrees with you, Cameron. In fact, no one can really know it - as in truly discern it - until they've received it. It is by God, not by man.

[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

 

[cv5]

God went to Noah. That's how he was saved. God went to Abraham. That's how he was saved.

God went to the pre-flood world and it suffered DEVASTATING JUDGEMENT.
God went to Sodom and it suffered DEVASTATING JUDGEMENT.
God went to Canaan and it suffered DEVASTATING JUDGEMENT.
God went to Chorazin and Bethsaida and they suffered DEVASTATING JUDGEMENT.

And no doubt in all of these cases SALVATION-DELIVERANCE was FREELY available.
But only Noah, Lot, Rahab and the Gibeonites and some of Israel availed themselves of that benefit.

Why is this so? What's going on here?
Next question: how will the Calvinites distort all of this into convoluted dizzy gnostic nuttery?

 

[cv5]

Gospel agrees with you, Cameron. In fact, no one can really know it - as in truly discern it - until they've received it. It is by God, not by man.

[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Absolute rubbish.
Rahab, Jericho, and ALL of Canaan knew EXACTLY what was going down.
They all knew. Up front. No excuses.

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[Jos 2:9 KJV]
And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon ***US***, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.

[Jos 2:10 KJV]
For ***we*** have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that [were] on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.

[Jos 2:11 KJV]
And as soon as ***we*** had heard [these things], our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he [is] God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

[Jos 2:12 KJV]
Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have shewed you kindness, that ye will also shew kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: (the Covenant of life and peace in Christ Jesus).

[Jos 2:13 KJV]
And [that] ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death.

[Jos 2:14 KJV]
And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee.

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God says men are WITHOUT EXCUSE because they ***ACTUALLY KNOW***. He has given his warning and witness. He always does. Likewise ALL MEN today know about the might works of the Lord even back then.

[Jos 4:23 KJV]
For the LORD your God dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over:

[Jos 4:24 KJV]
That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it [is] mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No. I have already posted conclusive proofs.

You have pretty low threshold for proof

 

[cv5]

Yeah, I've digested it. That was under the Old Covenant, not the New Covenant. No choice given under the
NC - God does it all. See the "I will" and "will I" etc? Choice was a work required under the OC not the NC.

[Heb 10:16 KJV] 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[Heb 10:17 KJV] 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Did you want me to make a list of the "I WILLS" noted in the OT?

There are HUNDREDS.

 

[cv5]

You have pretty low threshold for proof

There is never enough proof for heretics and apostates, this much is true.

 

[rogerg]

Did you want me to make a list of the "I WILLS" noted in the OT?

There are HUNDREDS.

So what? Not as part of the new covenant. they were all part of the old.
The new overrode and cancelled out the old for those God placed under it.

 

[cv5]

Gospel agrees with you, Cameron. In fact, no one can really know it - as in truly discern it - until they've received it. It is by God, not by man.

[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Yet you say that God DOES NOT want us to know?
What were the 10 plagues upon Egypt? A closely held secret?

[Jos 4:24 KJV]
That all the people of the earth ***might know*** the hand of the LORD, that it [is] mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.

 

[cv5]

So what? Not as part of the new covenant. they were all part of the old.
The new overrode and cancelled out the old for those God placed under it.

Poor @rogerg
Still stuck in that Calvinite dungeon.
Probably waaaayyy down in the basement somewhere.

I hear birds tweeting where I'm at. Luck me huh?

They knew buddy. They all knew. Same as every man today knows.
Its just that some CHOOSE to make the confession of the truth and some CHOOSE not to.

[Jos 2:11 KJV]
And as soon as ***we*** had heard [these things], our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he [is] God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

 

[GWH]

Many consider receiving to be an active response to giving. But if I put $100 into your bank account, you have received a gift without any action on your part. Likewise, if God confers something upon an individual or imputes something to them, it is theirs through no effort of their own.

Also, save me some ham.

And others consider receiving by faith a mere non-meritorious cooperation with God's will as expressed in DT 30:19 for example.
No one is forced to be blessed against their will per MT 23:37, for exhample.

 

[rogerg]

Yet you say that God DOES NOT want us to know?
What were the 10 plagues upon Egypt? A closely held secret?

[Jos 4:24 KJV]
That all the people of the earth ***might know*** the hand of the LORD, that it [is] mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.

I'm saying this:

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Since He will not save everyone, neither will those ever truly discern. Discernement is as a result of salvation. That is the
state the unsaved are in and will remain in unless saved.

 

[cv5]

Many consider receiving to be an active response to giving. But if I put $100 into your bank account, you have received a gift without any action on your part. Likewise, if God confers something upon an individual or imputes something to them, it is theirs through no effort of their own.

Also, save me some ham.

How exactly does that work with a bi-lateral Marriage covenant that requires full disclosure and permission?

It doesn't. Its just more crazy talk, vacuous, nonsensical and irrelevant.

 

[cv5]

I'm saying this:

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Since He will not save everyone, neither will those ever truly discern. Discernement is as a result of salvation. That is the
state the unsaved are in and will remain in unless saved.

You are waaaay out in the weeds. Thank God its not me.

 

[rogerg]

Poor @rogerg
Still stuck in that Calvinite dungeon.
Probably waaaayyy down in the basement somewhere.

I hear birds tweeting where I'm at. Luck me huh?

They knew buddy. They all knew. Same as every man today knows.
Its just that some CHOOSE to make the confession of the truth and some CHOOSE not to.

[Jos 2:11 KJV]
And as soon as ***we*** had heard [these things], our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he [is] God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Because you say so, buddy? Did you see my prior post? Do you think they knew on a spiritual level? No, they unquestionably did not know and couldn't know until and unless unblinded through salvation.

 

[Genez]

What evidence is there that they have ever been able to physically materialize?

Why do others get it, and you always have a deficiency?

Let all the others that get it explain it to you.
I’m not your babysitter.

And, I do mean that.

 

[Genez]

You are waaaay out in the weeds. Thank God its not me.

He is way out and one of the weeds.

 

[Rufus]

You might be the warden of everybody else in that Calvinite prison you are running.

But as for me, I am a free man, so quit wasting your time.
And my objective is to free as many others from the slammer as I possibly can.

Yes, I'm sure you think you're a "free man". I bet you even think that you freed yourself from the dungeon of death, darkness, sin, enslavement to the law and to the devil by your own sovereign free will. You planned every detail of your great escape, didn't you? Superman has nothing over you, does he?

 

[rogerg]

You are waaaay out in the weeds. Thank God its not me.

so, once again you say scripture is wrong but you're correct. that should tell you something. those weren't my words.