Understanding God’s election
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John Gill once wrote:
All men are not the objects of God's love, only a special people, whom he has chosen in Christ; for whom he has given his Son, when they were sinners and enemies; whom he quickens and calls by his grace, justifies, pardons, and accepts in Christ; and whom he causes to love him; these he loves with an everlasting and unchangeable love, and in a free and sovereign way, without any regard to any motive or condition in them.
And he was right! He had more than a few scriptures to support his commentary on how both God and his saints hate the wicked:
Lev 26:30
30 'I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols; for My soul shall abhor you.
NASB
Deut 25:16
16 For the LORD your God detests anyone who does these things, anyone who deals dishonestly.
NIV
Job 12:21-22
21 "He pours contempt on nobles,
And loosens the belt of the strong.
22 "He reveals mysteries from the darkness,
And brings the deep darkness into light.
NASB
Ps 5:5-6
5 The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes;
Thou dost hate all who do iniquity.
6 Thou dost destroy those who speak falsehood;
The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
NASB
Ps 11:5
5 The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked,
And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
NASB
Ps 31:6
6 I hate those who regard vain idols;
But I trust in the Lord.
NASB
Ps 73:18-20
18 Surely Thou dost set them in slippery places;
Thou dost cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!
20 Like a dream when one awakes, O Lord, when aroused,
Thou wilt despise their form.
NASB
Ps 95:10-11
10 "For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11 "Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest."
NASB
Ps 106:40
40 Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against His people,
And He abhorred His inheritance.
NASB
Ps 107:40
40 He pours contempt upon princes,
And makes them wander in a pathless waste.
NASB
Ps 119:113
113 I hate those who are double-minded,
But I love Thy law.
NASB
Ps 119:158
158 I behold the treacherous and loathe them,
Because they do not keep Thy word.
NASB
Ps 139:21-22
21 Do I not hate those who hate Thee, O Lord?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against Thee?
22 I hate them with the utmost hatred;
They have become my enemies.
NASB
Prov 3:32
32 For the crooked man is an abomination to the Lord;
But He is intimate with the upright.
NASB
Prov 6:16-19
6 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
NIV
2 Chron 19:2
2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord and so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?
NASB
Jer 12:8
8 My inheritance has become to me
like a lion in the forest.
She roars at me;
therefore I hate her.
NIV
Jer 16:5
5 For this is what the LORD says: "Do not enter a house where there is a funeral meal; do not go to mourn or show sympathy, because I have withdrawn my blessing, my love and my pity from this people," declares the LORD
NIV
Lam 2:6-7
6 And He has violently treated His tabernacle like a garden booth;
He has destroyed His appointed meeting place;
The Lord has caused to be forgotten
The appointed feast and sabbath in Zion,
And He has despised king and priest
In the indignation of His anger.
7 The Lord has rejected His altar,
NASB
Hos 9:15
5 All their evil is at Gilgal;
Indeed, I came to hate them there!
Because of the wickedness of their deeds
I will drive them out of My house!
I will love them no more;
All their princes are rebels.
NASB
Dan 12:2
2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
NASB
Rom 9:13
13 Just as it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
NASB
Nah 1:14
4 The Lord has issued a command concerning you:
"Your name will no longer be perpetuated.
I will cut off idol and image
From the house of your gods.
I will prepare your grave,
For you are contemptible."
NASB
Rev 2:2
2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
NASB
All the above is bad news for unrepentant sinners. But the really, really good news is that God infinitely loves the remnant (which no man can number) he has chosen in eternity to adopt and reconcile unto himself.
All men are not the objects of God's love, only a special people, whom he has chosen in Christ; for whom he has given his Son, when they were sinners and enemies; whom he quickens and calls by his grace, justifies, pardons, and accepts in Christ; and whom he causes to love him; these he loves with an everlasting and unchangeable love, and in a free and sovereign way, without any regard to any motive or condition in them.
And he was right! He had more than a few scriptures to support his commentary on how both God and his saints hate the wicked:
Lev 26:30
30 'I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols; for My soul shall abhor you.
NASB
Deut 25:16
16 For the LORD your God detests anyone who does these things, anyone who deals dishonestly.
NIV
Job 12:21-22
21 "He pours contempt on nobles,
And loosens the belt of the strong.
22 "He reveals mysteries from the darkness,
And brings the deep darkness into light.
NASB
Ps 5:5-6
5 The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes;
Thou dost hate all who do iniquity.
6 Thou dost destroy those who speak falsehood;
The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
NASB
Ps 11:5
5 The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked,
And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
NASB
Ps 31:6
6 I hate those who regard vain idols;
But I trust in the Lord.
NASB
Ps 73:18-20
18 Surely Thou dost set them in slippery places;
Thou dost cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!
20 Like a dream when one awakes, O Lord, when aroused,
Thou wilt despise their form.
NASB
Ps 95:10-11
10 "For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11 "Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest."
NASB
Ps 106:40
40 Therefore the anger of the Lord was kindled against His people,
And He abhorred His inheritance.
NASB
Ps 107:40
40 He pours contempt upon princes,
And makes them wander in a pathless waste.
NASB
Ps 119:113
113 I hate those who are double-minded,
But I love Thy law.
NASB
Ps 119:158
158 I behold the treacherous and loathe them,
Because they do not keep Thy word.
NASB
Ps 139:21-22
21 Do I not hate those who hate Thee, O Lord?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against Thee?
22 I hate them with the utmost hatred;
They have become my enemies.
NASB
Prov 3:32
32 For the crooked man is an abomination to the Lord;
But He is intimate with the upright.
NASB
Prov 6:16-19
6 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
NIV
2 Chron 19:2
2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, "Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord and so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?
NASB
Jer 12:8
8 My inheritance has become to me
like a lion in the forest.
She roars at me;
therefore I hate her.
NIV
Jer 16:5
5 For this is what the LORD says: "Do not enter a house where there is a funeral meal; do not go to mourn or show sympathy, because I have withdrawn my blessing, my love and my pity from this people," declares the LORD
NIV
Lam 2:6-7
6 And He has violently treated His tabernacle like a garden booth;
He has destroyed His appointed meeting place;
The Lord has caused to be forgotten
The appointed feast and sabbath in Zion,
And He has despised king and priest
In the indignation of His anger.
7 The Lord has rejected His altar,
NASB
Hos 9:15
5 All their evil is at Gilgal;
Indeed, I came to hate them there!
Because of the wickedness of their deeds
I will drive them out of My house!
I will love them no more;
All their princes are rebels.
NASB
Dan 12:2
2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
NASB
Rom 9:13
13 Just as it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
NASB
Nah 1:14
4 The Lord has issued a command concerning you:
"Your name will no longer be perpetuated.
I will cut off idol and image
From the house of your gods.
I will prepare your grave,
For you are contemptible."
NASB
Rev 2:2
2 'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot endure evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
NASB
All the above is bad news for unrepentant sinners. But the really, really good news is that God infinitely loves the remnant (which no man can number) he has chosen in eternity to adopt and reconcile unto himself.
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You're wrong! I never said that! I said that all God's elect were predestined in eternity to come to faith and repentance in temporal reality. I did not come into this world born in the Last Adam! I came into it born in Adam!
Also, to be in a state of regeneration is precisely to be alive in the Spirit of Christ. Just like natural birth is a process, likewise the spiritual birth of any saint is also a process
Also, to be in a state of regeneration is precisely to be alive in the Spirit of Christ. Just like natural birth is a process, likewise the spiritual birth of any saint is also a process
I find it SO Funny/Sad that you can say " I think that Calvinites intentionally set themselves up the modern day Pharisaical gatekeepers."
Without realizing that you are here gatekeeping them. You're doing EXACTLY what you're condemning in the same sentence. Funny.
You're a very self centered thinker. Someone else share's their beliefs they are self righteous, yet when you share yours it's just fine and you escape that label, although you can't tell us why.
Now you point your finger and accuse "all them" of being gatekeepers while explaining why the group you hate won't make it through the Gate.
You guys are ONLY about self, yet all you do is throw projection like a Democrat.
Without realizing that you are here gatekeeping them. You're doing EXACTLY what you're condemning in the same sentence. Funny.
You're a very self centered thinker. Someone else share's their beliefs they are self righteous, yet when you share yours it's just fine and you escape that label, although you can't tell us why.
Now you point your finger and accuse "all them" of being gatekeepers while explaining why the group you hate won't make it through the Gate.
You guys are ONLY about self, yet all you do is throw projection like a Democrat.
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Do you have any actually useful Biblical exegetical treatments on offer?
I don't see any. I never see any.
I do see a lot of useless trolling though.
And BTW, your accusation won't stick on me.
I espouse a truly free and available salvation to ANYONE who asks for it.
No gates, no bars, no dungeons, no prerequisite special gnostic discernment.
Just freely available to absolutely anybody.
I don't see any. I never see any.
I do see a lot of useless trolling though.
And BTW, your accusation won't stick on me.
I espouse a truly free and available salvation to ANYONE who asks for it.
No gates, no bars, no dungeons, no prerequisite special gnostic discernment.
Just freely available to absolutely anybody.
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It's fun being a kid acting like an adult.
"Freely available", yes; but freely accepted by God-haters? NO! Don't you know that all the unregenerate come into this world also FREE FROM the control of righteousness (Rom 6:20)? So, explain to us how rotten, putrid trees have the ability to bear good fruit? How can those who are only FREE TO sin and to love darkness, and love themselves, and love money, and love pleasures and LOVE DEATH (Prov 8: 36) can make good, righteous spiritual choices?
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It honestly sucks. You can't discuss anything with people like this. It's just not possible. They'll tell you what you believe and then set their version of your beliefs on fire. Then dance around popping their collars as if they just glorified God with complete pointless nonsense. It not any kind of behavior I haven't seen before, but it's almost textbook cult like behavior. We are right, we have the answer, everyone else is wrong and the enemy, and we don't ever listen to ANYTHING anyone else ever says. Ever. It's so opposite of what the Spirit leads me to do, so it honestly leaves me at a loss as far as what to do. I'm leaning towards completely ignoring them. I already do to a HUGE degree, but sometimes read something so outrageous and completely hypocritical I have to ask them about it, or say something to others that see what I'm talking about.
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
Exodus 32:33 KJV
“Let them be blotted out of the book of the living,
And not be written with the righteous.”
Psalm 69:28 KJV
notice they have to be in the book first in order to be blotted out because of the sins they commited ?
the gospel offered this
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
Acts 3:19
We arent born condemned we are condemned by sin.
Exodus 32:33 KJV
“Let them be blotted out of the book of the living,
And not be written with the righteous.”
Psalm 69:28 KJV
notice they have to be in the book first in order to be blotted out because of the sins they commited ?
the gospel offered this
“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;”
Acts 3:19
We arent born condemned we are condemned by sin.
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Our spirit isn’t dead our flesh is corrupt
“to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
1 Corinthians 5:5 KJV
“The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, Searching all the inward parts of the belly.”
Proverbs 20:27 KJV
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV
“The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.”
Zechariah 12:1
“The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; But a wounded spirit who can bear?”
Proverbs 18:14 KJV
redemption from the wrong knowledge to the truth the word of lasting life
“to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
1 Corinthians 5:5 KJV
“The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, Searching all the inward parts of the belly.”
Proverbs 20:27 KJV
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:11 KJV
“The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.”
Zechariah 12:1
“The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; But a wounded spirit who can bear?”
Proverbs 18:14 KJV
redemption from the wrong knowledge to the truth the word of lasting life
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