WHY man is unable to choose Jesus and the Gospel
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at he preaching of the gospel opens the heart sister when the ne hears about Jesus suffering and dying for us because of Gods deep love towards us . That message he sent out is what opens our heart .
most kings hide behind thier people to the last man they defend the king , our king stepped off his throne and died to save us …..the gospel message is how God does his inner work hearing it , letting it be true the message is living and active and works ta goblet in us to. BRing us to God
what God has done for mankind is found in the gospel it is finished he finished the work necassary to save any sinner. The hearing of that true message opens the heart to belief
most kings hide behind thier people to the last man they defend the king , our king stepped off his throne and died to save us …..the gospel message is how God does his inner work hearing it , letting it be true the message is living and active and works ta goblet in us to. BRing us to God
what God has done for mankind is found in the gospel it is finished he finished the work necassary to save any sinner. The hearing of that true message opens the heart to belief
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No,you sound just fine.
I like to think the Bible is a roadmap to God. It has its secrets as to the correct path to take to find that treasure.
Those whom God calls as our Savior said I believe are led by that holy voice to make that journey God mapped out just for us.
It is a wonderful wonder filled walk .
I like to think the Bible is a roadmap to God. It has its secrets as to the correct path to take to find that treasure.
Those whom God calls as our Savior said I believe are led by that holy voice to make that journey God mapped out just for us.
It is a wonderful wonder filled walk .
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It teaches that gentiles have been included with them by the gospel yes .
did you notice in revelation how there’s this group specifically the tribes of Israel and thier number is limited and finite ?
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Revelation 7:4
It then names specifically the twelve tribes. There is a covenant made in the Bible soecifically with only the tribes of Israel no other nation was included . It was a covenant made o my with abrams blood descendants the children of Jacob who was named Israel his children made a covenant with God.
and then after they are all numbered we see a new group of people that aren’t of the tribes of Israel but of all the other nations
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:9-10 KJV
gentiles and Jews are no longer considered different to God because thoer soecific covenant that separated them from every other nation was broken and the curse it promosed came into desolation in 70 ads destruction of thier city and temple. But gentiles aren’t the children of Israel that’s a specific biblically chosen people in the ot the descendants of Abram the Hebrew
gentiles we’re included with the new covenant promosed and then given to Israel’s remnant and then he sent them out to preach it to every one else to fill up the kingdom.
I don’t think Ephesians tells ge tiles they are now Israelites but instead speaks of how gentile and Jew are no longer seperate because the law was removed
“For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:”
Ephesians 2:14-16 KJV
We aren’t the children of israel ( Jacob ) bit the children of God through the Risen Christ we used to be seperwte from Israel and had no access to the covenant. He made with them but the new covenant he sent foret to Israel his chosen and then also to gentiles afterwards
a theres I suppose a claim we could make that we are “ the spiritual israel “ but what I was talking about is the covenant that begat Israel and defined and seperated them from the nations
abut I look more back to Abrahams promises before israel ever existed or the law was ever given to see Christian heritage
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( Israel was later a single sperate ms nation through Jacob )
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ( Israel didn’t yet exist or have a covenant )
For ye are all the children of God (not of Jacob /israel ) by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:8-9, 26-29
Remember what the promise was to abraham for all nations before the children of Israel even existed ?
did you notice in revelation how there’s this group specifically the tribes of Israel and thier number is limited and finite ?
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Revelation 7:4
It then names specifically the twelve tribes. There is a covenant made in the Bible soecifically with only the tribes of Israel no other nation was included . It was a covenant made o my with abrams blood descendants the children of Jacob who was named Israel his children made a covenant with God.
and then after they are all numbered we see a new group of people that aren’t of the tribes of Israel but of all the other nations
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:9-10 KJV
gentiles and Jews are no longer considered different to God because thoer soecific covenant that separated them from every other nation was broken and the curse it promosed came into desolation in 70 ads destruction of thier city and temple. But gentiles aren’t the children of Israel that’s a specific biblically chosen people in the ot the descendants of Abram the Hebrew
gentiles we’re included with the new covenant promosed and then given to Israel’s remnant and then he sent them out to preach it to every one else to fill up the kingdom.
I don’t think Ephesians tells ge tiles they are now Israelites but instead speaks of how gentile and Jew are no longer seperate because the law was removed
“For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:”
Ephesians 2:14-16 KJV
We aren’t the children of israel ( Jacob ) bit the children of God through the Risen Christ we used to be seperwte from Israel and had no access to the covenant. He made with them but the new covenant he sent foret to Israel his chosen and then also to gentiles afterwards
a theres I suppose a claim we could make that we are “ the spiritual israel “ but what I was talking about is the covenant that begat Israel and defined and seperated them from the nations
abut I look more back to Abrahams promises before israel ever existed or the law was ever given to see Christian heritage
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( Israel was later a single sperate ms nation through Jacob )
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. ( Israel didn’t yet exist or have a covenant )
For ye are all the children of God (not of Jacob /israel ) by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:8-9, 26-29
Remember what the promise was to abraham for all nations before the children of Israel even existed ?
Yes I agree . Did you notice how God consistently works in the world ? He speaks his word …….
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.( this is what God did to choose us ) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( this is how we are saved by the lord )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.” ( this is how we get lost )
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 KJV
God worked the gospel for us in ot is everything a person needs to be saved
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.”
John 17:4 KJV
the message itself of the gospel is how we receive faith God did that for us already then he sent the message out to all people saying whoever believes ….
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.( this is what God did to choose us ) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( this is how we are saved by the lord )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.” ( this is how we get lost )
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 KJV
God worked the gospel for us in ot is everything a person needs to be saved
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.”
John 17:4 KJV
the message itself of the gospel is how we receive faith God did that for us already then he sent the message out to all people saying whoever believes ….
We are told the divisions no longer exist when we are in Christ because we are all one in him.
The 144,000 sealed ones from each of the twelve tribes I think is known to God alone as he predetermined that number.
If 144,000 are all that are ever saved then evangelism is a waste of time.
Gentiles would I think always be included in the tribe of Abraham.
The 144,000 sealed ones from each of the twelve tribes I think is known to God alone as he predetermined that number.
If 144,000 are all that are ever saved then evangelism is a waste of time.
Gentiles would I think always be included in the tribe of Abraham.
Let go and let God. What I like to do is sit there let go of all I think I know and understand become a blank slate and wait until I am synchronized with him in spirit sometimes it happens instantly other time I have be determined and not move until we are synchronized
sometimes it is like an old time radio where you turn the nob to get to the channel you want there can be some static until you hit just the right spot it's the same in waiting to synchronize with him.
But once you and him are one in spirit you will know and then the scriptures become crystal clear. our sinful nature has to be thrown down our thoughts have to be thrown out the window and out hearts must be determined to sit there and wait refusing to budge until you and him are one in spirit I like to listen to worship music as I do this
but whether instantly or however long it takes he always answers and by waiting on him we are throwing down our flesh to be in spirit
sometimes it is like an old time radio where you turn the nob to get to the channel you want there can be some static until you hit just the right spot it's the same in waiting to synchronize with him.
But once you and him are one in spirit you will know and then the scriptures become crystal clear. our sinful nature has to be thrown down our thoughts have to be thrown out the window and out hearts must be determined to sit there and wait refusing to budge until you and him are one in spirit I like to listen to worship music as I do this
but whether instantly or however long it takes he always answers and by waiting on him we are throwing down our flesh to be in spirit
“If 144,000 are all that are ever saved then evangelism is a waste of time.”
these are people numbered from the tribes of Israel. From the covenant made with the tribes of Israel.
Then you see another group of gentiles including israel all nations and people appear shouting about the Gospel
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, ( this group is not numbered nor of specific nation )
of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:9-10 KJV
Israel can be saved by the gospel also they just aren’t the only people in a covenant with God now all people are
these are people numbered from the tribes of Israel. From the covenant made with the tribes of Israel.
Then you see another group of gentiles including israel all nations and people appear shouting about the Gospel
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, ( this group is not numbered nor of specific nation )
of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:9-10 KJV
Israel can be saved by the gospel also they just aren’t the only people in a covenant with God now all people are
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“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:13 KJV
“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:28-30 KJV
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:13 KJV
“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:28-30 KJV
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
Luke 15:1-2 KJV
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
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Well I mean sinners aren’t righteous so I’m not sure how this relates to sinners flocking to Jesus because of his message about “ forgivness of sins “
People who think they are righteous don’t need a message about sinners being forgiven and repenting of thier sins , sinners need that message of forgiveness of thier sins
Jesus is God come to us calling us to himself brother
People who think they are righteous don’t need a message about sinners being forgiven and repenting of thier sins , sinners need that message of forgiveness of thier sins
Jesus is God come to us calling us to himself brother
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Come on man, the text says "the Lord opened her heart", no matter how the Lord does this it doesn't change the truth that the Lord did it. For some reason you feel when we give God ALL credit and ALL glory for our salvation that we are somehow saying we didn't make any choses, or that we deny that we have a will of our own. We are not. What I am saying is that God gets ALL credit for the choice you made and ALL glory. That NONE of it at all belongs to us. I do believe that God saved me the way He did to really nail this point down for me personally, it's also a reason I address this topic with the passion I do.
I made the choice you speak of, I was in church and heard the gospel, then an alter call was given and I responded, with all my heart I repeated the prayer and was declared saved there in front of everyone, told I could write down the date and hang my hat on the fact I was saved, was also baptized a few weeks later as well. But guess what? I was NOT saved, I was a false convert. I didn't know it then of course and thought I was a Christian 100%However.....
Years later I hit the hardest trial of my life in the form of a motorcycle wreak that took all function from my right (and dominant) arm. For 2 solid years I walked around with my head down defeated and wishing for nothing but death. I couldn't go 5 minutes without thinking about killing myself, and couldn't control it. All that I could talk about was how much I hated my situation to the point I couldn't stand to hear myself talk about it either and was starting to just stop saying anything that wasn't a direct answer to someone speaking to me.
This also exposed my fake faith. At this point I thought I was a Christian and what I found was it wasn't helping anything at all. So while I didn't get mad at God or Jesus, I found them useless and turned from them. I just went with hopelessness. After 2 years of this I got to a point that it was all just too much and I couldn't handle it anymore. Even though I wanted to die SO bad and had an EASY way to do it with my right arm having absolutely no feeling in it at all, I could literally hammer a stake through it and not feel anything, so cutting my wrist wouldn't have even made me twitch when I could cut the whole arm off without feeling it. I would run all the justification through my head like a checklist, my wife can find someone more able to love and take care of her, my job could replace me no problem, even my father will get over it eventually (was a lie, he wouldn't have), but I'd get to my two sons and knew that no one would love them and take care of them the way I do, so I was stuck here. I don't want that to sound noble at all, it was not. I hated the fact I was "stuck here".
So the day I didn't need to write down to remember, 9-29-13, was coming to a close and I was home alone for the first time in I don't know how long, but this was when everything came to a head. I had just carried everything too long and couldn't bare the weight any longer. When I hit my knees I wasn't making a decision or choice. If I EVER believed in God before, I did not in this moment. When I hit my knees I was not praying or calling to God to "save me now", to be honest God wasn't even a thought in my head when I hit my knees. I hit them crying out "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore , I can't do this anymore, World you win and I lose. I QUIT!!!"
That was it, I then pick my blubbering tail up off the floor, dried myself off, and went to bed.
It was the next day on my work lunchbreak that it hit me and hit me hard. I realized that after two years of nonstop uncontrollable suicidal thoughts, "I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING MYSELF ALL DAY!!!!"
I KNEW 2 things then and there, #1 whatever this was, it was God. #2 Jesus was His Son. For there my hunger for His word took hold and He lead me strait to John, by chapter 3 I was at the reception desk telling a sister "I think I was born again", and was. I was spiritually resurrected that day and reconnected to Hi Spirit.
I wanted to share this to show you why I give God ALL credit and can keep none for myself. While I understand your argument and even why you make it, I even agree up to a point, I just see too much credit being taken for you and that belongs to God. If I would have been saved that first time, when "I" made the choice, I'd probably been right beside you arguing the same exact thing. However.....
God saved me in a way that I could not take any credit for it even if I wanted to. I had no clue what was even going on that night when He granted me repentance. So I say, even to the person that responds to the alter call and is saved then and there in truth, that God gets ALL the glory for that as well. Even for "your choice", God gets ALL glory,
I made the choice you speak of, I was in church and heard the gospel, then an alter call was given and I responded, with all my heart I repeated the prayer and was declared saved there in front of everyone, told I could write down the date and hang my hat on the fact I was saved, was also baptized a few weeks later as well. But guess what? I was NOT saved, I was a false convert. I didn't know it then of course and thought I was a Christian 100%However.....
Years later I hit the hardest trial of my life in the form of a motorcycle wreak that took all function from my right (and dominant) arm. For 2 solid years I walked around with my head down defeated and wishing for nothing but death. I couldn't go 5 minutes without thinking about killing myself, and couldn't control it. All that I could talk about was how much I hated my situation to the point I couldn't stand to hear myself talk about it either and was starting to just stop saying anything that wasn't a direct answer to someone speaking to me.
This also exposed my fake faith. At this point I thought I was a Christian and what I found was it wasn't helping anything at all. So while I didn't get mad at God or Jesus, I found them useless and turned from them. I just went with hopelessness. After 2 years of this I got to a point that it was all just too much and I couldn't handle it anymore. Even though I wanted to die SO bad and had an EASY way to do it with my right arm having absolutely no feeling in it at all, I could literally hammer a stake through it and not feel anything, so cutting my wrist wouldn't have even made me twitch when I could cut the whole arm off without feeling it. I would run all the justification through my head like a checklist, my wife can find someone more able to love and take care of her, my job could replace me no problem, even my father will get over it eventually (was a lie, he wouldn't have), but I'd get to my two sons and knew that no one would love them and take care of them the way I do, so I was stuck here. I don't want that to sound noble at all, it was not. I hated the fact I was "stuck here".
So the day I didn't need to write down to remember, 9-29-13, was coming to a close and I was home alone for the first time in I don't know how long, but this was when everything came to a head. I had just carried everything too long and couldn't bare the weight any longer. When I hit my knees I wasn't making a decision or choice. If I EVER believed in God before, I did not in this moment. When I hit my knees I was not praying or calling to God to "save me now", to be honest God wasn't even a thought in my head when I hit my knees. I hit them crying out "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore , I can't do this anymore, World you win and I lose. I QUIT!!!"
That was it, I then pick my blubbering tail up off the floor, dried myself off, and went to bed.
It was the next day on my work lunchbreak that it hit me and hit me hard. I realized that after two years of nonstop uncontrollable suicidal thoughts, "I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING MYSELF ALL DAY!!!!"
I KNEW 2 things then and there, #1 whatever this was, it was God. #2 Jesus was His Son. For there my hunger for His word took hold and He lead me strait to John, by chapter 3 I was at the reception desk telling a sister "I think I was born again", and was. I was spiritually resurrected that day and reconnected to Hi Spirit.
I wanted to share this to show you why I give God ALL credit and can keep none for myself. While I understand your argument and even why you make it, I even agree up to a point, I just see too much credit being taken for you and that belongs to God. If I would have been saved that first time, when "I" made the choice, I'd probably been right beside you arguing the same exact thing. However.....
God saved me in a way that I could not take any credit for it even if I wanted to. I had no clue what was even going on that night when He granted me repentance. So I say, even to the person that responds to the alter call and is saved then and there in truth, that God gets ALL the glory for that as well. Even for "your choice", God gets ALL glory,