Will the 'Holy Pentad' replace the Holy Trinity?

[Brad_Watson_Miam]

As I attended Mass on Sun-day morning (8/14/11) at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Fort Lauderdale, I was reminded of how when Catholics 'cross themselves' (I refrain from this), they are symbolizing the Five Points of the Cross while saying, "In the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen." Ok, so Catholics superimpose The Trinity onto the Five Points of the Cross. Permit me to correct this poor geometrical connection.

The Cross was an excellent choice by God to represent the Holy Pentad. 'Penta-' is Greek for five and 'penta-' has five letters! (Bi- has two letters, Tri- has three, Quad- has four.) There are four Cardinal Points to the Cross + the intersection of the four lines, which is the focal point74 of the Cross74. This intersection is where Jesus'74 head was.

Traditionally, the top point is the Father. Let's keep that. Then the bottom point has been the Son. Let's change that. The bottom will now be the Mother and/or Mother Earth. The Right Point & Left Point has traditionally been the Holy Spirit. Let's change that to the Son and the Daughter. We now have left the all-important intersection as The Holy Spirit.

Step #1 of gematria is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. The name Jesus has five letters as does Y'shua74 and IESVS74 (the Messiah74's name written in Latin and placed on a placard on the Cross). This coupled with the five letters of 'penta-', 'Cross' and its Five Point(5)s is no 'coincidence'! The Holy Trinity has no female representation. God is both male & female, right?

If we think of the bottom point of the Cross as The Mother and/or Mother Earth, consider that this is where the Cross is embedded in Mother Earth! And who was at the bottom of the Cross during Jesus crucifixion on that fateful day of April 7, 30 AD (7/4/782 AUC)? Mary Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalean (Mariamne). It's very appropriate to make this connect74ion between74 The Mother and the bottom of the Cross.

And where there's a mother, well, she had to start out as a daughter. Just like a father has to start out as a son. The simple74 family unit of a father, mother, son, and daughter is what drives all human and animal life. These 'Quadrants' are holy (whole-ee) only when it behaves as One, and this connection - this point of intersection - includes the Holy Spirit.

So there you have it. The Holy Pentad is a new, yet ancient perspective on the symbolism of the Cross and its Five Points of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. I realize that this new symbolism of the Cross may make some Christians cross, but they just need to give it some thought and some time, and it will inevitably be adopted because it's better than before. And the progress of civilization is supposed to be based on "it's better than before".

- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher

 

[Scotth1960]

As I attended Mass on Sun-day morning (8/14/11) at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Fort Lauderdale, I was reminded of how when Catholics 'cross themselves' (I refrain from this), they are symbolizing the Five Points of the Cross while saying, "In the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen." Ok, so Catholics superimpose The Trinity onto the Five Points of the Cross. Permit me to correct this poor geometrical connection.

The Cross was an excellent choice by God to represent the Holy Pentad. 'Penta-' is Greek for five and 'penta-' has five letters! (Bi- has two letters, Tri- has three, Quad- has four.) There are four Cardinal Points to the Cross + the intersection of the four lines, which is the focal point74 of the Cross74. This intersection is where Jesus'74 head was.

Traditionally, the top point is the Father. Let's keep that. Then the bottom point has been the Son. Let's change that. The bottom will now be the Mother and/or Mother Earth. The Right Point & Left Point has traditionally been the Holy Spirit. Let's change that to the Son and the Daughter. We now have left the all-important intersection as The Holy Spirit.

Step #1 of gematria is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. The name Jesus has five letters as does Y'shua74 and IESVS74 (the Messiah74's name written in Latin and placed on a placard on the Cross). This coupled with the five letters of 'penta-', 'Cross' and its Five Point(5)s is no 'coincidence'! The Holy Trinity has no female representation. God is both male & female, right?

If we think of the bottom point of the Cross as The Mother and/or Mother Earth, consider that this is where the Cross is embedded in Mother Earth! And who was at the bottom of the Cross during Jesus crucifixion on that fateful day of April 7, 30 AD (7/4/782 AUC)? Mary Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalean (Mariamne). It's very appropriate to make this connect74ion between74 The Mother and the bottom of the Cross.

And where there's a mother, well, she had to start out as a daughter. Just like a father has to start out as a son. The simple74 family unit of a father, mother, son, and daughter is what drives all human and animal life. These 'Quadrants' are holy (whole-ee) only when it behaves as One, and this connection - this point of intersection - includes the Holy Spirit.

So there you have it. The Holy Pentad is a new, yet ancient perspective on the symbolism of the Cross and its Five Points of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. I realize that this new symbolism of the Cross may make some Christians cross, but they just need to give it some thought and some time, and it will inevitably be adopted because it's better than before. And the progress of civilization is supposed to be based on "it's better than before".

- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher

Dear Brad Watson, I doubt that the pope of Rome, the bishop of Rome, Benedict XVI, teaches this nonsense. If it is not official Catholic teaching, we should not hold it against Roman Catholicism.
Stick to the heresies which Rome still holds which can be shown to be false:
1. Mainly, the Filioque, which contradicts John 15:26. Rome teaches Filioquism STILL in the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope John Paul II), etc.
2. Rome still teaches papal infallibility (Vatican I, Vatican II). Heresy.
3. Rome still teaches the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary. Heresy.
4. Rome still teaches original sin. Heresy.
5. The other heresies that Rome still teaches (there are a few of them, but many of you already know what they are, so I don't need mention them). But Rome still denies the wine (blood of Christ) to its laity. So Catholics can't drink the blood of Christ. That's heresy.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Muskokaman]

As I attended Mass on Sun-day morning (8/14/11) at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Fort Lauderdale, I was reminded of how when Catholics 'cross themselves' (I refrain from this), they are symbolizing the Five Points of the Cross while saying, "In the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen." Ok, so Catholics superimpose The Trinity onto the Five Points of the Cross. Permit me to correct this poor geometrical connection.

The Cross was an excellent choice by God to represent the Holy Pentad. 'Penta-' is Greek for five and 'penta-' has five letters! (Bi- has two letters, Tri- has three, Quad- has four.) There are four Cardinal Points to the Cross + the intersection of the four lines, which is the focal point74 of the Cross74. This intersection is where Jesus'74 head was.

Traditionally, the top point is the Father. Let's keep that. Then the bottom point has been the Son. Let's change that. The bottom will now be the Mother and/or Mother Earth. The Right Point & Left Point has traditionally been the Holy Spirit. Let's change that to the Son and the Daughter. We now have left the all-important intersection as The Holy Spirit.

Step #1 of gematria is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. The name Jesus has five letters as does Y'shua74 and IESVS74 (the Messiah74's name written in Latin and placed on a placard on the Cross). This coupled with the five letters of 'penta-', 'Cross' and its Five Point(5)s is no 'coincidence'! The Holy Trinity has no female representation. God is both male & female, right?

If we think of the bottom point of the Cross as The Mother and/or Mother Earth, consider that this is where the Cross is embedded in Mother Earth! And who was at the bottom of the Cross during Jesus crucifixion on that fateful day of April 7, 30 AD (7/4/782 AUC)? Mary Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalean (Mariamne). It's very appropriate to make this connect74ion between74 The Mother and the bottom of the Cross.

And where there's a mother, well, she had to start out as a daughter. Just like a father has to start out as a son. The simple74 family unit of a father, mother, son, and daughter is what drives all human and animal life. These 'Quadrants' are holy (whole-ee) only when it behaves as One, and this connection - this point of intersection - includes the Holy Spirit.

So there you have it. The Holy Pentad is a new, yet ancient perspective on the symbolism of the Cross and its Five Points of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. I realize that this new symbolism of the Cross may make some Christians cross, but they just need to give it some thought and some time, and it will inevitably be adopted because it's better than before. And the progress of civilization is supposed to be based on "it's better than before".

- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher

There are not 5 points on a cross there are 4 the intersection cannot be called a point it is an intersection as in this is where the heart is and all things pertaining to the spirit come and go through the heart.
The top of the cross or post represents God the father the right side of the lintle or beam is Jesus, the left side is the Holy spirit and the bottom is the worshipper themself.
Nice simple format, the intersection represents where you will meet all three as one.
that is why the bottom of the cross is longer, than the top representing the long and rocky road to salvation. That is also why a crosses length from intersection to lintle tip is exactly the same as the intersection to the top of the post representing equality between the Father the Son and the holy spirit. This is also why satanists turn a cross upside down as they put themselves at the top and not God himself!

Selah

 

[Brad_Watson_Miam]

The 'Holy Pentad' will replace the Holy Trinity

Dear Brad Watson, I doubt that the Pope, the bishop of Rome, Benedict XVI, teaches this nonsense. If it is not official Catholic teaching, we should not hold it against Roman Catholicism. Stick to the heresies which Rome still holds which can be shown to be false

Scott R. Harrington,

You referred to the op as "nonsense", why? You believe in equal rights for women, don't you? There's nothing nonsensical about equal rights, right?

Please do NOT tell me how I should deal with the Pope, Vatican, and all of the Roman Catholic Church. Besides, the Holy Pentad apllies to Protestantism as well - all of Christianity.


- Brad Watson, Miami
author of There Are No Coincidences - there is synchronism: the "book/scroll" referred to in The Revelation 5:1-10:10

 

[Deadflesh]

PYthagorian Pentad? Why? Why Sacred geometry? Why all this Twisted pagan Five fold God belief? its not the GOD of the Bible. its a toatly different GOD.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

First, there is no "Holy Trinity" except by erroneous doctrinal formulation of man making God a triplicate in man's own image.

Further, if "tri" has three letters and "quad" has four letters, then it breaks down at "quin" for five but has four letters. "Sex" is six with three letters. "Sept" is seven with four letters. "Oct" is eight with three letters. "Nept" is nine with four letters.

Besides... English is a late-emergent and derivative pan-European "mutt" language that has no comprehensive ties to ancient etymologies and syntax. This is all simply irrelevant gibberish.

 

[Muskokaman]

First, there is no "Holy Trinity" except by erroneous doctrinal formulation of man making God a triplicate in man's own image.

Further, if "tri" has three letters and "quad" has four letters, then it breaks down at "quin" for five but has four letters. "Sex" is six with three letters. "Sept" is seven with four letters. "Oct" is eight with three letters. "Nept" is nine with four letters.

Besides... English is a late-emergent and derivative pan-European "mutt" language that has no comprehensive ties to ancient etymologies and syntax. This is all simply irrelevant gibberish.

Not quin but pent as in pentagon pentagram pentax pentacostal meaning five of something quint is a french derivative not greek which is the root of the word
If it's got five of something watchout
English is now the world language like it or not you can thank all those centuries of English conquest and subjegation for that
It's derivative is pointless because of the continuous translations and constant reworking of the language itself

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Not quin but pent as in pentagon pentagram pentax pentacostal meaning five of something quint is a french derivative not greek which is the root of the word
If it's got five of something watchout
English is now the world language like it or not you can thank all those centuries of English conquest and subjegation for that
It's derivative is pointless because of the continuous translations and constant reworking of the language itself

Ahhhh... So do you now affirm a "Holy Pentad" Godhead over the fallacious "Holy Trinity" Godhead?

 

[Muskokaman]

Ahhhh... So do you now affirm a "Holy Pentad" Godhead over the fallacious "Holy Trinity" Godhead?

I profess God the father his son Jesus who is the Christ and the Holy spirit of God nothing more nothing less!
Selah

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I profess God the father his son Jesus who is the Christ and the Holy spirit of God nothing more nothing less!
Selah

An Eggo by any other name...

 

[Muskokaman]

An Eggo by any other name...

Your point being?

 

[Muskokaman]

No point didn't think so Pentad whats next a dodecahad...........no I know an Icosahad...........hmmm too many...how about ..............oh I know I know a tetrahad yup maybe thatll work!@#$%^&*()

 

[Brad_Watson_Miam]

A perpendicular cross has 5 points

There are not 5 points on a cross there are 4. The intersection cannot be called a point, it is an intersection as in this is where the heart is and all things pertaining to the spirit come and go through the heart.

Muskokaman,

On perhaps the second day of 9th Grade Geometry, it is taught that two intersecting, finite, perpendicular lines produce five points with the point of intersection being the focus.

The top of the cross or post represents God the father the right side of the lintle or beam is Jesus, the left side is the Holy spirit and the bottom is the worshipper themself.

Nice simple format, the intersection represents where you will meet all three as one. that is why the bottom of the cross is longer, than the top representing the long and rocky road to salvation. That is also why a crosses length from intersection to lintle tip is exactly the same as the intersection to the top of the post representing equality between the Father the Son and the holy spirit. This is also why satanists turn a cross upside down as they put themselves at the top and not God himself! Selah

Well, that explanation works unless you see the female principle as part of God & Creation, which I certainly do! What's your explanation of being so comfortable with excluding 'Mother' & 'Daughter'?


- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher


Non-coincidental synchronic reaction: 9/7/11 09:18 "There was even a Jesus Christ feeling there"... 09:31 "Mother!" - History Channel, Comic Book Superheroes

 

[loveschild]

As I attended Mass on Sun-day morning (8/14/11) at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Fort Lauderdale, I was reminded of how when Catholics 'cross themselves' (I refrain from this), they are symbolizing the Five Points of the Cross while saying, "In the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen." Ok, so Catholics superimpose The Trinity onto the Five Points of the Cross. Permit me to correct this poor geometrical connection.

The Cross was an excellent choice by God to represent the Holy Pentad. 'Penta-' is Greek for five and 'penta-' has five letters! (Bi- has two letters, Tri- has three, Quad- has four.) There are four Cardinal Points to the Cross + the intersection of the four lines, which is the focal point74 of the Cross74. This intersection is where Jesus'74 head was.

Traditionally, the top point is the Father. Let's keep that. Then the bottom point has been the Son. Let's change that. The bottom will now be the Mother and/or Mother Earth. The Right Point & Left Point has traditionally been the Holy Spirit. Let's change that to the Son and the Daughter. We now have left the all-important intersection as The Holy Spirit.

Step #1 of gematria is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. The name Jesus has five letters as does Y'shua74 and IESVS74 (the Messiah74's name written in Latin and placed on a placard on the Cross). This coupled with the five letters of 'penta-', 'Cross' and its Five Point(5)s is no 'coincidence'! The Holy Trinity has no female representation. God is both male & female, right?

If we think of the bottom point of the Cross as The Mother and/or Mother Earth, consider that this is where the Cross is embedded in Mother Earth! And who was at the bottom of the Cross during Jesus crucifixion on that fateful day of April 7, 30 AD (7/4/782 AUC)? Mary Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalean (Mariamne). It's very appropriate to make this connect74ion between74 The Mother and the bottom of the Cross.

And where there's a mother, well, she had to start out as a daughter. Just like a father has to start out as a son. The simple74 family unit of a father, mother, son, and daughter is what drives all human and animal life. These 'Quadrants' are holy (whole-ee) only when it behaves as One, and this connection - this point of intersection - includes the Holy Spirit.

So there you have it. The Holy Pentad is a new, yet ancient perspective on the symbolism of the Cross and its Five Points of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. I realize that this new symbolism of the Cross may make some Christians cross, but they just need to give it some thought and some time, and it will inevitably be adopted because it's better than before. And the progress of civilization is supposed to be based on "it's better than before".

- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher

This made me think of Satan's star. Gross!

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Dear Brad Watson, I doubt that the pope of Rome, the bishop of Rome, Benedict XVI, teaches this nonsense. If it is not official Catholic teaching, we should not hold it against Roman Catholicism.
Stick to the heresies which Rome still holds which can be shown to be false:
1. Mainly, the Filioque, which contradicts John 15:26. Rome teaches Filioquism STILL in the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope John Paul II), etc.
2. Rome still teaches papal infallibility (Vatican I, Vatican II). Heresy.
3. Rome still teaches the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary. Heresy.
4. Rome still teaches original sin. Heresy.
5. The other heresies that Rome still teaches (there are a few of them, but many of you already know what they are, so I don't need mention them). But Rome still denies the wine (blood of Christ) to its laity. So Catholics can't drink the blood of Christ. That's heresy.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

No point didn't think so Pentad whats next a dodecahad...........no I know an Icosahad...........hmmm too many...how about ..............oh I know I know a tetrahad yup maybe thatll work!@#$%^&*()

Ummm... I was offline, Musky.

My point was that you were waffling by stating "F/S/HS, no more and no less". You being Trinitarian is more than just believing F/S/HS. All God-models somehow believe F/S/HS, whether all are deity or not. Hence... An Eggo by any other name.

Why @$&%# at me? I say God is One, not three or five or ten or a megamondo-ad pleroma based on numerology. It's not my thread.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Re: A perpendicular cross has 5 points

Muskokaman,

On perhaps the second day of 9th Grade Geometry, it is taught that two intersecting, finite, perpendicular lines produce five points with the point of intersection being the focus.


Well, that explanation works unless you see the female principle as part of God & Creation, which I certainly do! What's your explanation of being so comfortable with excluding 'Mother' & 'Daughter'?


- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher


Non-coincidental synchronic reaction: 9/7/11 09:18 "There was even a Jesus Christ feeling there"... 09:31 "Mother!" - History Channel, Comic Book Superheroes

Though He is referred to with masculine language constructs and took masculine form during the Incarnation, the God of Holy Scriptures is not of either OR neither gender. God is Spirit. Spirits don't have genitalia and chromosomes and hormones, etc.

God spoke forth the substance of Himself for creation and Incarnation. The One true God doesn't need a female counterpart to be sovereign and almighty. He doesn't need an internal female aspect, either. God is not a hermaphrodite.

All of this is man conceptually making God in man's own image. This Pentad and female-aspects line of reasoning is more garbage that comes from Trinity's unbiblical representation of God as "persons". The root of all this is in Gnosticism (just like the root of Dispensationalism is in Talmudism).

 

[Brad_Watson_Miam]

Dear Brad Watson, I doubt that the pope of Rome, the bishop of Rome, Benedict XVI, teaches this nonsense.

Scott,

"Nonsense"? That was quite a judgment! You didn't reply to my reply. Before you get distracted with your further diatribe against the Holy See74, just why do you think my presentation of the Holy Pentad is "nonsense"? And please, stick only to the topic at hand.


- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher
http://7seals.yuku.com

 

[resurrection33]

As I attended Mass on Sun-day morning (8/14/11) at St. Anthony Catholic Church in Fort Lauderdale, I was reminded of how when Catholics 'cross themselves' (I refrain from this), they are symbolizing the Five Points of the Cross while saying, "In the name of The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen." Ok, so Catholics superimpose The Trinity onto the Five Points of the Cross. Permit me to correct this poor geometrical connection.

The Cross was an excellent choice by God to represent the Holy Pentad. 'Penta-' is Greek for five and 'penta-' has five letters! (Bi- has two letters, Tri- has three, Quad- has four.) There are four Cardinal Points to the Cross + the intersection of the four lines, which is the focal point74 of the Cross74. This intersection is where Jesus'74 head was.

Traditionally, the top point is the Father. Let's keep that. Then the bottom point has been the Son. Let's change that. The bottom will now be the Mother and/or Mother Earth. The Right Point & Left Point has traditionally been the Holy Spirit. Let's change that to the Son and the Daughter. We now have left the all-important intersection as The Holy Spirit.

Step #1 of gematria is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. The name Jesus has five letters as does Y'shua74 and IESVS74 (the Messiah74's name written in Latin and placed on a placard on the Cross). This coupled with the five letters of 'penta-', 'Cross' and its Five Point(5)s is no 'coincidence'! The Holy Trinity has no female representation. God is both male & female, right?

If we think of the bottom point of the Cross as The Mother and/or Mother Earth, consider that this is where the Cross is embedded in Mother Earth! And who was at the bottom of the Cross during Jesus crucifixion on that fateful day of April 7, 30 AD (7/4/782 AUC)? Mary Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalean (Mariamne). It's very appropriate to make this connect74ion between74 The Mother and the bottom of the Cross.

And where there's a mother, well, she had to start out as a daughter. Just like a father has to start out as a son. The simple74 family unit of a father, mother, son, and daughter is what drives all human and animal life. These 'Quadrants' are holy (whole-ee) only when it behaves as One, and this connection - this point of intersection - includes the Holy Spirit.

So there you have it. The Holy Pentad is a new, yet ancient perspective on the symbolism of the Cross and its Five Points of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. I realize that this new symbolism of the Cross may make some Christians cross, but they just need to give it some thought and some time, and it will inevitably be adopted because it's better than before. And the progress of civilization is supposed to be based on "it's better than before".

- Brad Watson, Miami
teacher

I do not believe the Trinity will be replaced.

 

[rodogg]

I'm sitting here trying to think of something to say. But I can't. What is this? This is nothing? This is...*shrugs*