Understanding God’s election

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Cameron143 said:
You believe the point is growth. The point is the soil. Only one soil produces the desired effect.
Tares grow. They never produce wheat.
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No springing up in the faith because that is what the seed is Cameron, the gospel.

The Sower is Jesus and the soil is humanity.

There will be no growth at all amongst the reprobate and they cannot be choked out of the faith.

Zero growth from the seed The Sower throws.
 
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Intersection said:
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
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Yes, Jesus Christ was predestined from all eternity and the believers. Become the chosen IN Jesus Christ.

Never put the cart before the horse.

he hath chosen us in him
 
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Rufus said:
Really? Chapter and verse on that theory? Reprobation means the soil is corrupt in one way or another. In the case of the "thorny soil", it was corrupt with thorns that eventually became choked by weeds. None of the first three soils were any good. And each type bore their own distinct characteristics.
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Dead soil is dead soil, reprobate soil is reprobate soil.

Growth is impossible in dead soil.
 
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Magenta said:
Hearing clearly must encompass comprehension. But to the natural man, the gospel message is foolishness.
We are back to what Scripture actually says... Jesus came to give sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf.
God circumcises the stony heart and gives the natural man a heart that may love Him. Beware those who twist
this truth and say that means man is then forced and everything handed to him as if on a silver platter.


John 10:27-28
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Salvation is a free gift given to those that believe.

A gift that is offered to everyone and the atonement was never limited.

We are told to love our enemies because that is what God does.

And God's love is not a conditional form of love.

Be as gentle as a dove when you read the scripture.
 
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No springing up in the faith because that is what the seed is Cameron, the gospel.

The Sower is Jesus and the soil is humanity.

There will be no growth at all amongst the reprobate and they cannot be choked out of the faith.

Zero growth from the seed The Sower throws.
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You are saying that the natural fallen man has no faculties whatsoever. This is not so. He can understand the gospel and respond to it. Jesus didn't say the Jews weren't a fig tree. He said they bore no fruit. The harvest is what separates, and not the leaves.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

( not Gods work and will )

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

( also not Gods work and will )

And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

( also isnt Gods fault . he tells man in the gospel to repent of the love of money and possessions and not to let the ceres of this world destroy us )


But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this also is not because these people were the only people God enabled to believe and obey him

It’s not Gods fault if a man worships money is it ? Or … is it ? I’m having alot of trouble following this idea the deeper we get into it

Or if a man follows lust into adultery and sin ? Os this because God caused him to do it and he never had a choice ?

Or one who kills someone ? Is this Gods Will or man’s who he gave dominion at the start ? And says repeatedly throughout from ot to new he’s going to hold each person accountable table fornthier own personal words and deeds not for anyone else’s ?

hownis this possible if he’s the one causing us to do good and evil deeds and it’s not us ? How could he judge us for his own doings ?
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Yes Sir

Calvinites think that God Himself is the greatest impediment to His own gospel and salvation. Crazy.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You are saying that the natural fallen man has no faculties whatsoever. This is not so. He can understand the gospel and respond to it. Jesus didn't say the Jews weren't a fight tree. He said they bore no fruit. The harvest is what separates, and not the leaves.
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A confusing post.

What I am saying is dead soil is dead soil, soil that is reprobate understands nothing about the gospel.

No one understands the gospel fully and we all grope around in the scripture.

The Jews rejected the Christ before we even consider whether there was fruit.

The harvest is reaping the wheat that endured and the tares which may include. Some of the wheat which
did not endure till harvest time.
 
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A confusing post.

What I am saying is dead soil is dead soil, soil that is reprobate understands nothing about the gospel.

No one understands the gospel fully and we all grope around in the scripture.

The Jews rejected the Christ before we even consider whether there was fruit.

The harvest is reaping the wheat that endured and the tares which may include. Some of the wheat which
did not endure till harvest time.
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If the soil was dead, how did the thorns grow?
 
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The harvest is reaping the wheat that endured and the tares which may include. Some of the wheat which did not endure till harvest time.
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In your theology wheat can become tares? You can be snatched from Jesus' hand even though He says no one can do so?


John 6:37 plus John 10:28
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Magenta said:
We've been over this before, but you are quite attached to your deceptions.
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What that the Gentiles did not know God, they lived in darkness.

God reached out to the Gentiles also that can't be?

That is unconditional love, Magenta.

Because we know that God chose the Jews only, God foreknew the Jews (Romans 11:2, Romans 8:29).
 
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Magenta said:
Your comprehension is quite lacking since I clearly reference "they" and "their false doctrine" and my post is in addition to my previous post which is indicated by starting out with "furthermore" and being addressed to John as was my previous post as well as to all with ears to hear.

So perhaps if you read more carefully and do not jump to false conclusions based on erroneous assumptions?
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My,you are quick to anger. And judge.

When your post begins with first person perspective readers are not to blame.

I do not enjoy angry people's crass remarks. Good day .
 
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