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[SomeDisciple]

This is why I believe men do not empathize with female victims.

I do generally sympathize with victims: but being a victim by itself isn't a virtue. How we behave in our victimhood matters. And not all victims do necessarily deserve our sympathy. You can only cooperate with an aggressor so much before you become a co-conspirator.

. Women cannot always respond with overt hostility due to their physical stature

It doesn't have anything to do with stature. My stature isn't going to save me from Goliath, or some guy with a gun. Not having "stature" isn't going to prevent a woman from calling for help. A death-threat isn't an excuse not to call for help: a death threat is a reason to call for help in defiance of your attacker.

 

[MsMediator]

You can only cooperate with an aggressor so much before you become a co-conspirator.

Disagree. No victim of sex assault is a co-conspirator to the assault. You have shown the true colors of some (perhaps many) men, where they believe the victim is guilty/ caused the assault.

My stature isn't going to save me from Goliath, or some guy with a gun. Not having "stature" isn't going to prevent a woman from calling for help. A death-threat isn't an excuse not to call for help: a death threat is a reason to call for help in defiance of your attacker.

Not true. You are assuming that aggressor has no control over how the victim behaves, and that the victim always has the ability to call for help. If the aggressor has a knife or gun pointed at a victim for whatever crime, the victim acts differently.

 

[SomeDisciple]

No victim of sex assault is a co-conspirator to the assault.

You're wrong. Willfully submitting to a sexual assault because of blackmail or threat is co-conspiracy.

If the aggressor has a knife or gun pointed at a victim for whatever crime, the victim acts differently.

They often do; but they shouldn't. Don't you know that Jesus said the fearful will not enter the Kingdom of God? Are you going to become radicalized Muslim because a terrorist points a gun at you?

 

[SomeDisciple]

You are assuming that aggressor has no control over how the victim behaves, and that the victim always has the ability to call for help.

The aggressor doesn't have control over a victims behavior. I haven't assumed that the victim always has the ability to call for help. If someone is fully restrained, or rendered unconscious they can't call for help. A person who only has a gun or knife pointed at them, or is being verbally threatened in some way can call for help.

 

[MsMediator]

You're wrong. Willfully submitting to a sexual assault because of blackmail or threat is co-conspiracy.

Do you have precedent for that, specifically for a sex assualt case?

They often do; but they shouldn't. Don't you know that Jesus said the fearful will not enter the Kingdom of God? Are you going to become radicalized Muslim because a terrorist points a gun at you?

The terrorist example is not comparable because it affects other innocent people. A comparable example is, give me your lunch or else I'll beat you up. Is the kid who gives up the lunch guilty of theft? What would Jesus want the victim to do in this case?

 

[MsMediator]

A person who only has a gun or knife pointed at them, or is being verbally threatened in some way can call for help.

I disagree because a slight move or sound could cause the aggressor to shoot or cause injury.

 

[Dude653]

You're wrong. Willfully submitting to a sexual assault because of blackmail or threat is co-conspiracy.


They often do; but they shouldn't. Don't you know that Jesus said the fearful will not enter the Kingdom of God? Are you going to become radicalized Muslim because a terrorist points a gun at you?

So you're a rape apologist? You should be banned from this forum

 

[SomeDisciple]

So you're a rape apologist? You should be banned from this forum

I don't know how you get that out of my post... I won't suggest you should be banned for being dumb though.

 

[Dude653]

I don't know how you get that out of my post... I won't suggest you should be banned for being dumb though.

You just said a woman goes to hell for being afraid of her rapist.
You also said a woman is complicit for not fighting back. Maybe she's afraid for her life. And I reiterate. You should be banned for saying that

 

[SomeDisciple]

You just said a woman goes to hell for being afraid of her rapist.

That's not what I said.

And in what way is that an apology for the rapist? It's not. The sexually immoral don't inherit the kingdom of heaven. But we need to repent of cowardice as much as we need to repent of sexual immorality.

 

[Dude653]

That's not what I said.

And in what way is that an apology for the rapist? It's not. The sexually immoral don't inherit the kingdom of heaven. But we need to repent of cowardice as much as we need to repent of sexual immorality.

Good thing I have receipts

 

[Dude653]

That's not what I said.

And in what way is that an apology for the rapist? It's not. The sexually immoral don't inherit the kingdom of heaven. But we need to repent of cowardice as much as we need to repent of sexual immorality.

You're trying to backpedal but I have receipts.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I disagree because a slight move or sound could cause the aggressor to shoot or cause injury.

So?

The terrorist example is not comparable because it affects other innocent people.

So does a rape scenario... so... it seems like a pretty good example to me.

 

[SomeDisciple]

You're trying to backpedal but I have receipts.

I'm not backpedaling anything. And you don't need a screenshot, I'm not editing anything. You just have no understanding at all whatsoever about what I'm saying.

 

[Dude653]

I'm not backpedaling anything. And you don't need a screenshot, I'm not editing anything. You just have no understanding at all whatsoever about what I'm saying.

I read what you said and so did everyone else. Someone mentioned that the woman might be afraid for her life and then you said she's going to go to hell for being afraid of her rapist.

 

[MsMediator]

So?

So you are saying that the rape victim, or the person who had his lunch or expensive iPhone stolen, should instead choose death? I am not reducing rape to stolen lunch, just looking for an example with same logic, where someone takes something forcefully from you.

So does a rape scenario... so... it seems like a pretty good example to me.

With terrorist example, the aggressor would be asking the rape victim to rape someone else. This is a different scenario.

 

[MsMediator]

I'm not backpedaling anything

I think you should start backpedaling.

 

[Dude653]

So you are saying that the rape victim, or the person who had his lunch or expensive iPhone stolen, should instead choose death? I am not reducing rape to stolen lunch, just looking for an example with same logic, where someone takes something forcefully from you.



With terrorist example, the aggressor would be asking the rape victim to rape someone else. This is a different scenario.

He's trying to backpedal but he literally said that the woman is complicit if she doesn't fight back even if she's afraid for her life and she will go to hell for being afraid of her rapist.
I literally have screenshots of what he said

 

[SomeDisciple]

I am not reducing rape to stolen lunch

You pretty much are.

With terrorist example, the aggressor would be asking the rape victim to rape someone else. This is a different scenario.

No; because rape affects more than just the victim who is raped. You are really missing the entire scope.

 

[SomeDisciple]

He's trying to backpedal but he literally said that the woman is complicit if she doesn't fight back even if she's afraid for her life and she will go to hell for being afraid of her rapist.
I literally have screenshots of what he said

Dude, you are not intimidating anyone; so unless you have something worthwhile to add... I won't hold my breath.