planting the seeds of the kingdom

[Blain]

I felt this had to be said, since I left cc and came back I have seen that things have not changed I had hoped to see some growth but I still see so much slandering name calling attacking and even people speakjing things about people that simply isn't true I have been watching and this is what I need to say.

We are a church we are a body of believers as such we are supposed to be a light shining a city on the hill we are supposed to represent what the kingdom is. in our puruit of the truth we have forgotten this and have lost the love that was suppose to be a shining beacon to all who would see and hear, every post you make is seen by thousands of people if not more that includes people browsing the forum as a guest to check it out so your words affect the hearts of everyone who reads them that is a huge responsibility think about it when you preach what you believe is truth you are either bringing people closer to God or making them become stale

WE should not be arguing and slandering that is the enemies job and yes if you slander name call and just project what you think is truth without love in your heart you are not working for God you are working for the devil

If we disagree that is fine just do so in love and patience respond in the love of Christ teach things that will bring others closer to God not create debates and arguments.

Every seed you plant will be reaped good or bad when you stand before God one day we will reap what we have sown that is a very serious thing. enough with this childish behavior remember who you were called to be if you have truth in you then it won't be shown in the doctrine you follow it will be shown in how you speak act react and treat others

I am dead serious enough already plant the seeds of our God's kingdom not the devils kingdom I am not responsible for what you give account for when we stand before him one day

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Good word, Blain.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

That does go on a lot around here.The Church is lukewarm,but God always has a remnant.
People need to realize that the God given ability to speak is in the image of the Word.Even if it's in writing it is still a spoken word.
The oxygen we breathe in is spirit,and so the Word's which we speak reveals our spirit, and who we are in the image of.

 

[Blain]

That does go on a lot around here.The Church is lukewarm,but God always has a remnant.
People need to realize that the God given ability to speak is in the image of the Word.Even if it's in writing it is still a spoken word.
The oxygen we breathe in is spirit,and so the Word's which we speak reveals our spirit, and who we are in the image of.

 

[Blain]

Matthew 15:18, which states, "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Matthew 15:18, which states, "But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

amen good word brother

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy;

and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“…And be at peace among yourselves. Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks:

for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;

and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:13-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Blain]

amen good word brother

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:36-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy;

and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“…And be at peace among yourselves. Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks:

for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;

and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:13-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

absolutely fantastic

 

[Leastofall]

I felt this had to be said, since I left cc and came back I have seen that things have not changed I had hoped to see some growth but I still see so much slandering name calling attacking and even people speakjing things about people that simply isn't true I have been watching and this is what I need to say.

We are a church we are a body of believers as such we are supposed to be a light shining a city on the hill we are supposed to represent what the kingdom is. in our puruit of the truth we have forgotten this and have lost the love that was suppose to be a shining beacon to all who would see and hear, every post you make is seen by thousands of people if not more that includes people browsing the forum as a guest to check it out so your words affect the hearts of everyone who reads them that is a huge responsibility think about it when you preach what you believe is truth you are either bringing people closer to God or making them become stale

WE should not be arguing and slandering that is the enemies job and yes if you slander name call and just project what you think is truth without love in your heart you are not working for God you are working for the devil

If we disagree that is fine just do so in love and patience respond in the love of Christ teach things that will bring others closer to God not create debates and arguments.

Every seed you plant will be reaped good or bad when you stand before God one day we will reap what we have sown that is a very serious thing. enough with this childish behavior remember who you were called to be if you have truth in you then it won't be shown in the doctrine you follow it will be shown in how you speak act react and treat others

I am dead serious enough already plant the seeds of our God's kingdom not the devils kingdom I am not responsible for what you give account for when we stand before him one day

I also have seen no change. Everyone needs to be right....not wants to but needs to. I've walked away from this chat a while ago and Blain yes you know me. We were good friends back in the day.
Good post brother.

 

[ResidentAlien]

enough with this childish behavior remember who you were called to be if you have truth in you then it won't be shown in the doctrine you follow it will be shown in how you speak act react and treat others

It's both. Doctrine is simply teaching. If we love others but have no teaching to offer them what's the point? Christ's teaching is truth. Paul counsels us to speak the truth in love. There's not a thing wrong with doctrine. We shouldn't bash people over the head with it; but by the same token, we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either. As the message says at the top of the Bible Discussion Forum: Just be civil.

I would also add that calling people "childish" and assuming a position of superiority isn't really the best way to win them over.

 

[GWH]

I felt this had to be said, since I left cc and came back I have seen that things have not changed I had hoped to see some growth but I still see so much slandering name calling attacking and even people speakjing things about people that simply isn't true I have been watching and this is what I need to say.

We are a church we are a body of believers as such we are supposed to be a light shining a city on the hill we are supposed to represent what the kingdom is. in our puruit of the truth we have forgotten this and have lost the love that was suppose to be a shining beacon to all who would see and hear, every post you make is seen by thousands of people if not more that includes people browsing the forum as a guest to check it out so your words affect the hearts of everyone who reads them that is a huge responsibility think about it when you preach what you believe is truth you are either bringing people closer to God or making them become stale

WE should not be arguing and slandering that is the enemies job and yes if you slander name call and just project what you think is truth without love in your heart you are not working for God you are working for the devil

If we disagree that is fine just do so in love and patience respond in the love of Christ teach things that will bring others closer to God not create debates and arguments.

Every seed you plant will be reaped good or bad when you stand before God one day we will reap what we have sown that is a very serious thing. enough with this childish behavior remember who you were called to be if you have truth in you then it won't be shown in the doctrine you follow it will be shown in how you speak act react and treat others

I am dead serious enough already plant the seeds of our God's kingdom not the devils kingdom I am not responsible for what you give account for when we stand before him one day

I agree, which is why I frequently point out that the doctrinal basis of being a body of believers is agreement regarding God's requirement for salvation (GRFS), which I explain via the following Scripture tapestry:

The normative way of stating GRFS (or kerygma) in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).

A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”).

 

[ResidentAlien]

Everyone has a doctrine (teaching). The only question is whether their teaching comes from the Lord or man's mind. Jesus said: "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." John 14:25-26

He didn't say "when He comes He will teach you additional things which I haven't spoken to you." He said the Holy Spirit will remind you of what I said and help you understand.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

It's both. Doctrine is simply teaching. If we love others but have no teaching to offer them what's the point? Christ's teaching is truth. Paul counsels us to speak the truth in love. There's not a thing wrong with doctrine. We shouldn't bash people over the head with it; but by the same token, we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either. As the message says at the top of the Bible Discussion Forum: Just be civil.

Amen. It is both.

I would also add that calling people "childish" and assuming a position of superiority isn't really the best way to win them over.

The type of behavior that Blain described is indeed childish, and I did not sense even a hint of superiority in what he said. Regarding the childishness, I am totally convinced that it is the direct result of pride. If, and it seems to be a big if with some people in the BDF, someone is truly presenting sound biblical doctrine selflessly in love, and if others reject it, then the one offering it will be grieved for them, and will pray for them. If, however, the real motivation for sharing alleged sound doctrine is pride, or a desire to be seen as some great theologian, then when that doctrine is challenged or rejected, the one who offered it will inevitably react with insults, slander, and all sorts of other unsavory things. Anyhow, that has been my observation in my Christian walk a multitude of times.

Who are we really seeking to promote here? Christ or ourselves?

In my opinion, those are the questions we should all be asking ourselves.

In line with the thread's title, just plant seeds and water them. God is the only one who can bring the increase upon the hearts and minds of willful recipients. Once somebody starts trying to force an increase, they are putting themselves in God's role. Christians are called to be laborers together WITH God (1 Cor. 3:9). We need to do our parts, and not God's part. Once somebody tries to do God's part, they are behaving pridefully.

 

[Blain]

It's both. Doctrine is simply teaching. If we love others but have no teaching to offer them what's the point? Christ's teaching is truth. Paul counsels us to speak the truth in love. There's not a thing wrong with doctrine. We shouldn't bash people over the head with it; but by the same token, we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater either. As the message says at the top of the Bible Discussion Forum: Just be civil.

I would also add that calling people "childish" and assuming a position of superiority isn't really the best way to win them over.

I am not superior no did I speak these things out of superiority and as for the childish part I did not say it to win people over I said it because it is true.
To see everyone attacking each other like this......it grieves me and we need to be reminded how to act sometimes not that I have not made the same mistakes at time but accountability needs to be established soemetimes

as for doctrine yes having doctrine of truth is important but like I said without love there is no point. if we present truth then it doesn't come with slander or else it is not truth.

 

[Blain]

I agree, which is why I frequently point out that the doctrinal basis of being a body of believers is agreement regarding God's requirement for salvation (GRFS), which I explain via the following Scripture tapestry:

The normative way of stating GRFS (or kerygma) in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per MT 7:1&5, 2CR 13:5-8).

A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (EPH 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. JN 17:20-23, “May they be one…”).

 

[shittim]

Yes brother, we either serve the Father's realm or the adversary, Jesus modeled how the Father wants us to live.

 

[Blain]

Yes brother, we either serve the Father's realm or the adversary, Jesus modeled how the Father wants us to live.

indeed he did which is why things need to change we can disagree on matters but it shows maturity in Christ to be able to do that yet still be respectful and when I see this happenning it brings my heart great joy and pride. Some here have been able to do this but the majority of the slandering is still very much dominant

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The type of behavior that Blain described is indeed childish, and I did not sense even a hint of superiority in what he said. Regarding the childishness, I am totally convinced that it is the direct result of pride. If, and it seems to be a big if with some people in the BDF, someone is truly presenting sound biblical doctrine selflessly in love, and if others reject it, then the one offering it will be grieved for them, and will pray for them. If, however, the real motivation for sharing alleged sound doctrine is pride, or a desire to be seen as some great theologian, then when that doctrine is challenged or rejected, the one who offered it will inevitably react with insults, slander, and all sorts of other unsavory things. Anyhow, that has been my observation in my Christian walk a multitude of times.

Hopefully carnal responses are all that Blain is referring to. Some soulish believers consider focusing on doctrine to be a disruption of the unity of the brethren, or of their own experience, because it creates turmoil and division, which it is supposed to do in order to separate those who are with us, but not of us. There can never be unity of the faith and brethren when false doctrines cause straying from the path. Love without doctrine is just as bad as doctrine without love. True doctrine will engender love and love will seek and promote right doctrine

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Corinthians 11:19​

 

[Blain]

Hopefully carnal responses are all that Blain is referring to. Some soulish believers consider focusing on doctrine to be a disruption of the unity of the brethren, or of their own experience, because it creates turmoil and division, which it is supposed to do in order to separate those who are with us, but not of us. There can never be unity of the faith and brethren when false doctrines cause straying from the path. Love without doctrine is just as bad as doctrine without love. True doctrine will engender love and love will seek and promote right doctrine

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Corinthians 11:19​

yes I was refering to carnal responses

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Hopefully carnal responses are all that Blain is referring to.

I felt this had to be said, since I left cc and came back I have seen that things have not changed I had hoped to see some growth but I still see so much slandering name calling attacking and even people speakjing things about people that simply isn't true I have been watching and this is what I need to say.

It sounds like he was referring to carnal responses to me, and he later clarified that he was not speaking against the necessity for true doctrine that is presented in love.

as for doctrine yes having doctrine of truth is important but like I said without love there is no point. if we present truth then it doesn't come with slander or else it is not truth.

Some soulish believers consider focusing on doctrine to be a disruption of the unity of the brethren, or of their own experience, because it creates turmoil and division, which it is supposed to do in order to separate those who are with us, but not of us. There can never be unity of the faith and brethren when false doctrines cause straying from the path. Love without doctrine is just as bad as doctrine without love. True doctrine will engender love and love will seek and promote right doctrine

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Corinthians 11:19

I totally agree with what you said here.

 

[rrcn]

I felt this had to be said, since I left cc and came back I have seen that things have not changed I had hoped to see some growth but I still see so much slandering name calling attacking and even people speakjing things about people that simply isn't true I have been watching and this is what I need to say.

We are a church we are a body of believers as such we are supposed to be a light shining a city on the hill we are supposed to represent what the kingdom is. in our puruit of the truth we have forgotten this and have lost the love that was suppose to be a shining beacon to all who would see and hear, every post you make is seen by thousands of people if not more that includes people browsing the forum as a guest to check it out so your words affect the hearts of everyone who reads them that is a huge responsibility think about it when you preach what you believe is truth you are either bringing people closer to God or making them become stale

WE should not be arguing and slandering that is the enemies job and yes if you slander name call and just project what you think is truth without love in your heart you are not working for God you are working for the devil

If we disagree that is fine just do so in love and patience respond in the love of Christ teach things that will bring others closer to God not create debates and arguments.

Every seed you plant will be reaped good or bad when you stand before God one day we will reap what we have sown that is a very serious thing. enough with this childish behavior remember who you were called to be if you have truth in you then it won't be shown in the doctrine you follow it will be shown in how you speak act react and treat others

I am dead serious enough already plant the seeds of our God's kingdom not the devils kingdom I am not responsible for what you give account for when we stand before him one day

[Heb 10:22-25 KJV] 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.