The Pact for the Future

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To be fair it was really range setting. I feel strongly about the year and the season.
Agreed, we are to know the seasons. That is why He taught us to know the seasons.:)(y):coffee:
 

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The Bible never said no one knows the day or the hour

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The Father knows the day and the hour.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So the very same book that tells us that God the Father does nothing without revealing the secrets to His prophets tells us He knows the day and the hour as well.

So then the big question becomes who are these prophets that I can trust to tell me what God has revealed? That is the beauty of the last few years, so many people have been lying that it is very easy to eliminate them from the list of people we should trust. What everyone should have been doing for the last four years is seriously looking for someone to trust. That means you need to test the spirits. No one speaking in the Holy Spirit says Jesus is accursed and the demons and fallen angels cannot say Jesus is blessed. Even the demons believe in God, that is not an adequate test. But they do not say that the blood of Jesus is precious. That would be to say that Jesus has come in the flesh. They also are not permitted to announce the coming of Jesus or to proclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord of all.

Those are your basic tests.

But then if they pass those tests what is the fruit of their ministry and of their lives. We can eliminate so many more by their scandalous living. This does not mean they can't be saved or repent, simply means I am crossing them off my list of who to listen to.

But now we get to the really hard discernment, discerning between right and almost right. We are told that if everyone is speaking well of them not to trust them. I have a rule, if millions of people listen to them I ignore them. My reasoning is simple, if they do reveal something from the word so many others will hear of it and learn it and share it that I won't miss it. I also know that false prophets make merchandise of you so I keep those who have monetized their ministry at arms length. Again, not proof that they are false prophets, Paul said you don't muzzle the ox that treads out the corn, but the Bible also said "freely you have received, freely give". I keep those who sell their books at arms length. Once again the reasoning is simple. If something in one of those books is a revelation from God a million people will read it and so it will get disseminated to the rest of us.

No, what I am looking for is this:

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

I am looking for those who are treated like this. Everyone has seen this behavior, they call people deplorable garbage, racists, white supremacists, etc. You have to go and examine that for yourself, is it true? Four years ago they were saying this about Dana Coverstone so I listened to his dreams (offered free of charge) and I also listened to those who called him a false prophet because I need to know if the accusation is false. I determined it was. Though to be fair I also determined that he was human and very likely made a mistake or two. But when I went back and listened to them recently they seemed to be a very good description of things that have happened. He received withering attack.

But there is another who also receives withering attack and that is Vicky Goforth Parnell. Some of her dreams are totally bizarre, so I will share how I came to feel I could trust she was speaking from God.

In one dream she mispronounced a simple scientific term, I think the word was Stratosphere, but what was clear was that she was unfamiliar with this word. But then she also described an atmospheric process I had never heard of before. I graduated from an elite university with a degree in Geology and have 75 post graduate hours in Geology, a master's degree, and have taught the subject for many years and yet I had never heard of this process. So I investigated and sure enough it was real. If you listen to her she does not come across as someone who is college educated, I think her background is as a seamstress, and so that thoroughly impressed me. In another dream she described one of the most complicated and mysterious processes in the earth in a way that was elegantly simple, meaningful and yet accurate. It seemed to me the Lord was taking this process and making it so simple even someone with an elementary education could understand. I don't believe anyone had ever described it this way so she couldn't have googled this. Then in a third dream she used a term that I always used when teaching but in a way I had never considered, yet it was so brilliant it was poetic. At this point I realized the Lord was showing off, He was demonstrating how his genius is really way beyond the rest of us because this is His creation. But then I talked to others. One brother who has been involved with prophecy for forty years was also convinced she was hearing from the Lord but for a completely different reason. He also mentioned some of his contacts in military intelligence and they also were stunned by what she knew and was saying. As a result I concluded that the reason many of her dreams seem very bizarre and amazing is because she is revealing things that others can't believe she knows. `If you come to the Lord with a seeking heart genuinely wanting to know the truth He will speak to you through His prophets so that you can know they are legit. She also has received withering attack but when I investigated it that was not over any of her dreams and visions but rather over their interpretation of them. Their interpretation was false and so they conclude she was false rather than condemning their own interpretation.

So please know,

1 Thessalonians 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.

God is trying our hearts. Are you faithful? Will you stand strong in persecution? Are you looking to know if this person is speaking for God or are you simply looking for anything that you can use to say they aren't? How many times does Hebrews warn us about hardening our hearts? I noticed that many of those with the accusations and slander had envying and strife in their hearts.

I was reminded of Larry Bird when Michael Jordan scored a whole lot of points on them in the playoffs. He said that for those of us who play this game the things that MJ did were very impressive. That is how I feel about her. I don't envy her, I understand that what she is doing will bring intense persecution on her, I am simply very impressed and thankful. Anyone can teach the same old same old, it is safe. The things she speaks, they are on the edge, on the front lines, and astounding.

She has also said a few things about Christian doctrines that also utterly amazed me. I remember once she said there was no Bible verse that said something I was sure the Bible did say. So I investigated and was stunned to see that she was right.
 

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God will bear them witness

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Paul said he was a coworker of God. If the prophets are speaking from God He will bear them witness with signs and wonders. Again, you can't simply look for these because Satan can use this to deceive people. But the Writing on the Wall sign is clearly something only God can do. I considered the Revelation 12 sign to be amazing and definitive that we were being given a sign from God that the end was at hand. The problem was it was a sign, and signs occur before the event, so how do you know how far before? This sign appeared in 2017.

But then I saw that this prophetic sign was only a small piece of a much bigger sign called "the writing on the wall sign" that spread from 2017 to 2024. Three solar eclipses whose path of totality wrote out the letters Aleph Tav over the US. Odds are this is the first time in human history this has happened. The letters "Aleph Tav" are the equivalent of the Greek letters Alpha and Omega. While studying this sign I learned that sixty times in the Old Testament Aleph Tav is seen and yet never translated to english. It is like a legal document where we are told to initial here, and here and here, etc. Jesus was telling us in the New Testament that those initials were His. I have shared about the writing on the Wall sign in my blog, there are videos dedicated to it and I have shared links, and of course there are books on it as well. But what makes this sign so special is that you don't have to worry about being scammed, we are told clearly in the Bible that God has placed the sun, moon and stars in the heavens for a sign. No one else has. Also this sign has been thoroughly interpreted, I do not see any way it can be misunderstood if you know the Bible. It clearly references the rapture, the seven year tribulation, the seven years of peace prior to the tribulation, Noah, Sodom, and the sign of Jonah.

But what is even better is it gives us the year. In Daniel it says that the same night that Daniel interpreted the writing Babylon was overthrown.

I am a geologist and taught Earth Science. One thing I taught every year is about the seasons. If you stand on the North pole the sun will rise on March 21 and it will not set again until September 21 and once it sets it will not rise again until March. In other words one day = one year at the North Pole. So in the Bible God will often equate one day with one year. The seventieth week is a reference to seven days that everyone understands as seven years. So I understood the same night as meaning it would take place the same year as the sign. Since the sign was completed and interpreted in 2024 I understand that to refer to 2024. Since Daniel is precise about it being that night I understood that to mean between September 21 of 2024 and March 21 of 2025 (that is the same year for the Jewish religious calendar). However, December 21 would be considered midnight.

The second key principle is "here a little, there a little".

Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

At first I thought this would refer to September 21 since that is when we officially say summer is ended. But we have four seasons and the Jews only had two. Also "the harvest is past" is not true of September 21. Also, we are told in the Bible that Satan will seek to mess up the calendars but that seedtime and harvest would be trustworthy.

So the question to me became when is the harvest past? I looked at when Israel and others harvested crops. But ultimately realized that what really marks the end of the harvest (and summer) is the harvest festival. The Jews have the feast of tabernacles, the Celtics have Halloween, and America has Thanksgiving. Only once that feast is over is the harvest truly past and summer is officially ended.

Thanksgiving was last Thursday. If the US was an agricultural society that would mark the end of the harvest. But we are a service economy and so Black Friday is part of the harvest as is Cyber Monday. We might think that is absurd, but not to China. If Russia and China were to plan a surprise attack you could imagine China would want to minimize the damage to their economy and so not lose any of the Christmas season orders. Also you have to see that the US is "Mystery, Babylon the Great" to realize the US calendar and the US harvest festival are the things we need to be looking at.

Therefore I also looked at Thanksgiving realizing it must be significant and it is. I have already shared about this with the connection to Washington, Lincoln and FDR and how that ties to Barnabas, Ananias and Saphira and how that connects to the rapture.

But what this does is narrow down the range. The Writing on the Wall sign gave us a range of six months, but this has just cut off more than two months. Also it would seem strange to me to say "summer has ended" in January or February. But of course that is not conclusive.

Amos 8:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

This will narrow it down even more. What feasts do Christians in America have? Basically there are three: Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter. But Easter is more of a breakfast and brunch. But also what joyful songs do we have that could be turned to mourning? Obviously we sing hymns year round, but only during the Christmas season do the radios fill the airwaves with these.

Now feasts are plural so I originally thought this indicated He would do this before Thanksgiving and that would be one of the feasts. But as I studied Thanksgiving it seems that this would not be the case. The judgement came after they had given thanks. Then the real light came when I realized that Black Friday and Cyber Monday were both part of the feast marking the end of the harvest.

So then to turn those Christmas songs into lamentation means they are playing, and then they are turned. I would expect this to take place prior to Christmas but how much prior. About halfway seems quite reasonable. Also I remembered Ken Peters dream where he thought it was about two weeks after the rapture that the Antichrist was revealed. I have always felt that December 25th is the ideal day to reveal the Antichrist since it is the birthday of a Babylonian god who is a shadow of the antichrist.

So turning your feasts into mourning, if that is not referring to Thanksgiving and Christmas it then occurred to me that during this season people will have multiple Christmas parties. It isn't just one "feast" but several. The first one I am going to is December 9th and the word says these (plural) will be turned to mourning. Not simply Christmas day. No one is going to have a Christmas feast on the 24th and it is highly unlikely they would have one on the 23rd which is a Monday. So then Friday, December 20th is probably a day that many companies and people will be having them. So I expect these are the feasts that will be turned into mourning.

Again, each prophecy simply narrows down the range. The Writing on the Wall gave us a six month period. Jeremiah 8:20 cut off two months from that. Now Amos 8:10 cuts off everything after Christmas.

There are other prophecies but this gives people an idea.
 

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@DRobinson I hope you have not forgotten. Rapture by December 21st.

Over the last two months we have approached the precipice of nuclear war getting closer and closer each day. Yet, although the 21st is not yet over it does appear at the moment that I have jumped the gun. I do see this day as the "midnight" of the northern hemisphere and did expect to hear the midnight cry. But as usual I always think things will happen sooner than they do. I also think that December 25th is a very important day for Putin, both he and Kim have referenced this day repeatedly to give the US a gift. On this day in 1991, 33 years ago, the USSR collapsed and the world cheered saying Peace and Security. I believe Putin is looking for payback. I also think this war in Ukraine which has grown into a war with the US and NATO will give him the excuse to attack the US.
 
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Sorry for the misunderstanding and your right , the bible prophecies will come about.
It's just that from what i'm seeing and hearing at the moment , this Globalist NWO is failing due to Trump and the global coalition draining the swamp and dismantling the deep state.

So i'm looking down the track at "OUR" new world order after the deep state has been obliterated.
And from what i'm hearing , from a christian perspective it doesn't look good.

Yes all the people in the freedom movement can't wait for OUR NWO , they say it's going to be fantastic.
But it's what comes with it that concerns me.
I don't know if hiring a bunch of incompetent people for his staff is draining the swamp.
 

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You say this every year and it keeps not happening
Please give me the offending post and I will address it. Otherwise you have no credibility, you have been found to ascribe quotes to people they never said and interpret meaning that people normaly would never conclude.
 
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Please give me the offending post and I will address it. Otherwise you have no credibility, you have been found to ascribe quotes to people they never said and interpret meaning that people normaly would never conclude.
Like the guy who said a woman is a co-conspirator in her own rape if she complies out of fear or the guy who's too dumb to understand that the word Spirit has more than one meaning?

This guy literally shamed a woman for being afraid of her attacker.
 

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Like the guy who said a woman is a co-conspirator in her own rape if she complies out of fear or the guy who's too dumb to understand that the word Spirit has more than one meaning?

This guy literally shamed a woman for being afraid of her attacker.
And what does that have to do with me or with what I wrote? This is the internet, we are going to get all kinds here. Deal with it.
 
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And what does that have to do with me or with what I wrote? This is the internet, we are going to get all kinds here. Deal with it.
You said I misinterpreted what he said when I literally showed you a screenshot of what he said
I still maintain. He should have been banned on the spot for saying that but the mods didn't agree
 

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You said I misinterpreted what he said when I literally showed you a screenshot of what he said
I still maintain. He should have been banned on the spot for saying that but the mods didn't agree
I have probably pointed out at least ten different times you have ascribed to someone as saying something they never said. You interpret it and then claim that your interpretation is what they said. That is dishonest. I saw the screenshots, what he said is not what you said. It could be interpreted that way, but you put the nastiest spin on what people say and that is deceitful. If you claim someone said something make sure you accurately quote them.
 
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I don't know if hiring a bunch of incompetent people for his staff is draining the swamp.
Incompetent or not doesn't matter , Trump has already had the dirt on all the crooks for some time , it just needs to be presented to the general public in a legal manner , court cases etc.
 
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I have probably pointed out at least ten different times you have ascribed to someone as saying something they never said. You interpret it and then claim that your interpretation is what they said. That is dishonest. I saw the screenshots, what he said is not what you said. It could be interpreted that way, but you put the nastiest spin on what people say and that is deceitful. If you claim someone said something make sure you accurately quote them.
We were discussing the victim complying out of fear and then he quoted the scripture of Jesus saying the fearful don't inherit the kingdom of God.


On today's episode of things Jesus would never say

" Yeah I know you were raped and all but since you showed fear, I will be withholding my kingdom from you"
 
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Incompetent or not doesn't matter , Trump has already had the dirt on all the crooks for some time , it just needs to be presented to the general public in a legal manner , court cases etc.
You mean like defrauding the state of New York for $300 million? That was the great orange one. Who did that
 

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We were discussing the victim complying out of fear and then he quoted the scripture of Jesus saying the fearful don't inherit the kingdom of God.
I know that is what he did. I know that is also what the Bible says. Did he misapply scripture? That is a very common problem being done by thousands, maybe millions.


On today's episode of things Jesus would never say

" Yeah I know you were raped and all but since you showed fear, I will be withholding my kingdom from you"
These are two different interpretations of the Lord's word. He says it applies to this situation, and you say it doesn't.

I was taught we should be very strict with ourselves and very general with others. I think it is OK for me to condemn myself for being fearful, to confess this sin of unbelief and lack of trust in the Lord, and to repent. While at the same time I consider it self righteous and repulsive to be condemning others for being fearful.
 
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I know that is what he did. I know that is also what the Bible says. Did he misapply scripture? That is a very common problem being done by thousands, maybe millions.



These are two different interpretations of the Lord's word. He says it applies to this situation, and you say it doesn't.

I was taught we should be very strict with ourselves and very general with others. I think it is OK for me to condemn myself for being fearful, to confess this sin of unbelief and lack of trust in the Lord, and to repent. While at the same time I consider it self righteous and repulsive to be condemning others for being fearful.
Fear isn't involuntary response produced in the amygdala.
It's a built-in survival mechanism so you don't do something stupid like punch a grizzly bear in the past or something
 

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Fear isn't involuntary response produced in the amygdala.
It's a built-in survival mechanism so you don't do something stupid like punch a grizzly bear in the past or something
I think I'll trust the word of God on this one, but thanks for your input.
 
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I think I'll trust the word of God on this one, but thanks for your input.
Or maybe God gave us that reaction for a reason. Go read a book on Neuroscience. And they used to let you teach children?
 

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Or maybe God gave us that reaction for a reason. Go read a book on Neuroscience. And they used to let you teach children?
I will put my faith and trust in the Lord Jesus and I'll take up my cross and follow Him. I recommend others do the same but will respect your free will to try and justify your behavior.