Understanding God’s election

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Rufus

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Who are you evangelizing if God has already chosen who goes where? I didn't use any name for Calvinists so you can stop that. I have close friends that I fellowship with that believe parts of TULIP and we love each other like family. So don't put words in my mouth I did not say please. I have fellow-shipped in just about every denomination you can name, and found brothers and sisters there.
I evangelize the lost. Who do you evangelize? By obeying the Great Commission, I have NOTHING to do with God's eternal decrees. I merely plant or water -- but I don't give the increase!
 
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Im not let you work me, prove your own verses, Tulip is still the Gospel

Exactly, because you cannot prove error. I didn't write the Bible, I don't have to prove the Word. Tulip is not the Gospel. You can say that night and day, the Word proves your dogma to be wrong.
 

brightfame52

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Exactly, the Bible does not teach what they are saying. It's not logical. Especially not with the verses we have all been sharing. It makes God out to be a liar.
You have been shown tulip Truth b4 and obviously you have passed judgment on it, nothing I can docan change your hate towards the Gospel
 

brightfame52

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Exactly, because you cannot prove error. I didn't write the Bible, I don't have to prove the Word. Tulip is not the Gospel. You can say that night and day, the Word proves your dogma to be wrong.
Tulip is the Truth of the Gospel and you reject it, but its been proven to me
 
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I evangelize the lost. Who do you evangelize? By obeying the Great Commission, I have NOTHING to do with God's eternal decrees. I merely plant or water -- but I don't give the increase!
God already knows where everyone is going. Why would you waste your time and energy?! That's an insult to evangelist ministers who travel to share the Gospel to the lost and care about the condition of their souls. If heaven is just a lottery where the lucky ones get it, I would want no part of it. That is an unjust God.
 
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You have been shown tulip Truth b4 and obviously you have passed judgment on it, nothing I can docan change your hate towards the Gospel

Do not ever say I hate the Gospel!! I get you're getting nasty because you're being pulled away from your dogma and challenged. But don't you ever allow a false attack like that to come out of your mouth again. I would not have done what I have done in my lifetime if I hated the Gospel.
 

Cameron143

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I will quote the verse (Romans 5:18) again, Cameron.

Romans 5:18
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one
act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

If one believes in Jesus then they receive that justification because it is available to all men.

This verse (Romans 5:18) is definitely saying to all men.
Why do you add the word available? It's not in the text. It's an assumption on your part, and it skews and alters the meaning of the verse. It says there resulted...to all men. Since all mankind is not justified before God, how then do you say it has happened?
The only way to reconcile the verse with reality as it is actually written is to understand all men differently.
 

Rufus

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No it doesn't. Something can be given and received without the receiver doing anything. For example, let's say I give you a gift of $100. But instead of putting it in your hand, I place it in your bank account. The gift is given and received without you doing anything. This is what happens when salvation is by the will of God.
On the other hand, if it was according to the will of man, it would be up to man to accept or reject it.
Good analogy. Plus there's very much in life (Natural Revelation) that we passively receive. Which one of us actively chose to be born? Which one of us actively chose to receive our parents? Which one of us at birth actively chose to receive the environment in which we grew up? Which one of us at birth actively chose to be a healthy or unhealthy baby, etc., etc.?
 

Cameron143

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But the Scriptures I posted says he can!! Listen to yourself. You're saying commands men to believe who cannot believe?? Would you tell your child to do something impossible to do then punish them for not doing it? No, a loving parent wouldn't. And God is love and He loves the sinner. There is no sense in what you're saying.




God obligated Himself!! He could have left man in a fallen state! He didn't! He said believe and be saved, it's that simple!! He made the promise, not me.





I don't have to!! God said it!! He said that it was His mercy and grace that saved us from the bondage of sin. You're asking for a square hole, or a heavy feather. You're making up a dogma that doesn't exist. God is bound to His Word !! He will keep His promises. He said he loves the sinner, He died for the sinner and He does not want to see them perish in hell. Those are straight from the horses mouth.
Actually I'm not. Can you show me from scripture where a natural man who has enmity in his mind towards God and who is not subject to the law of God ever believed without God changing his hostile mind and uncircumcised heart?

Read Acts 2:37. What happens to these people who Peter said killed the Lord of glory? What transpires to change their thinking and actions towards Him?
 
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Actually I'm not. Can you show me from scripture where a natural man who has enmity in his mind towards God and who is not subject to the law of God ever believed without God changing his hostile mind and uncircumcised heart?
Yes, I can! It's called being born again! The Word tells us how, believe and be saved!! That's the change!!


Read Acts 2:37. What happens to these people who Peter said killed the Lord of glory? What transpires to change their thinking and actions towards Him?
Same answer! They are born again! Drawn by the Holy Spirit, Paul was one of them!!
 

Rufus

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If God wants to give someone something, how can they stop Him?

I mean, really! Are there people here who honestly believe they are more powerful than God?
Sarah RECEIVED protection from Abimelech by God. Did she actively or passively receive that protection? Scripture doesn't tell us that she requested that protection or even that Abraham did.
 

Rufus

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Yes, I can! It's called being born again! The Word tells us how, believe and be saved!! That's the change!!




Same answer! They are born again! Drawn by the Holy Spirit, Paul was one of them!!
Which is backwards. One must first be born again (made alive) in order to have the ability to believe.

And, yes, a loving God would give us commands impossible to keep in order for us to see how frail, weak, helpless and vulnerable we are so that perhaps we'll call out to God to take up the slack for what we cannot do. God gave Israel the Law, and Israel was required to obey all of it all the time. But how did that work out for them? And why would God have given Israel such an utterly impossible task?
 

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Do not ever say I hate the Gospel!! I get you're getting nasty because you're being pulled away from your dogma and challenged. But don't you ever allow a false attack like that to come out of your mouth again. I would not have done what I have done in my lifetime if I hated the Gospel.
If you hate TULIP in my opinion you hate the Gospel
 
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You worried about the wrong thing, be concerned for your own soul

According to you I can't be! I don't know if I won the heavenly lottery. Maybe God loves me, maybe He hates me. I can't do a thing about it. I have no hope according to what you believe. And it sure ain't in the Bible!!!
 

brightfame52

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According to you I can't be! I don't know if I won the heavenly lottery. Maybe God loves me, maybe He hates me. I can't do a thing about it. I have no hope according to what you believe. And it sure ain't in the Bible!!!
I dont know what you destiny is,but God does, yet in my opinion you hate the True God and His Gospel