When there is a distorted view of God who glorifies Himself by creating man completely unable to respond to the Gospel call but receives glory unto Himself from a very special enabling He gives only to some, I think there is a problem.
Why do some people believe and some do not?
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When there is a distorted view of God who glorifies Himself by creating man completely unable to respond to the Gospel call but receives glory unto Himself from a very special enabling He gives only to some, I think there is a problem.
I appreciate the sentiment. Everybody yearns and hopes for these things.
But don't forget that there must needs to be first of all this.....a "dividing" of light from darkness.
[Mat 10:34 KJV]
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
[Mat 10:35 KJV]
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Meeting halfway is likewise a big problem, and it seems so easy to do. Yet is not recommended.
[Rev 2:20 KJV]
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
[Rev 2:14 KJV]
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
[Rev 2:15 KJV]
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
[Rev 3:2 KJV]
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
That would be correct he stated correct doctrine = truth ... big difference.
You had better get a firm grip on all of those passages. I really do not see any stellar eisegesis thus far.
And they had better all dovetail flawlessly into everything in the OT record.
Pro tip:
When Jesus God talks about life and death, he is talking about ETERNAL life and ETERNAL death.
And when does ETERNAL DEATH occur?
AFTER the GWT judgement and AFTER being cast into the lake of fire.
And of course Jesus knows who will repent and who will not.
So don't forget to factor that in.
"I really do not see any stellar exegesis thus far."
And another thing, these are statements of fact. Not some Twilight Zone reality benders.
Under judgment of death vs acquitted and free from judgment.
Unrepentant sinners are not yet forgiven/acquitted is the idea.
BTW, Adam and the Woman did not keel over immediately after they ate the fruit.
But both were dying from that point onward. And both were perfectly capable of confessing and repenting.
And both wisely did so.
My grip is secure in the Lord, who gifted me the Faith to believe, NOT in my intellect or morality in in believing.
As for the walking dead , you should meditate upon this….
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Here is what you are missing: God's definitions (not taught in the Churches today BTW).
The only definitions that matter.
OK here we go.......
What is God's definition death? Separation.
Eternal death = eternal separation.
Were Adam and Eve TOTALLY COMPLETELY separated from their God?
Absolutely not. In fact, both CAME to God with full assurance of salvation yet to be revealed.
And got what they wanted and needed.
They were indeed separated from God's presence when they were ejected from the garden. Communing with Jesus at the gate of the garden was not the same as being in God''s presence. So they did indeed spiritually die.
The reverse will happen when all rebellion is put down on earth and God, the father, will once again be with mankind.
No problem. I don't have people who are not subject to the law and who cannot be subject to it obeying it. You do.
But out of curiosity, what do you believe it means that a person is not subject to the law and cannot be subject to it?
It doesn't come from truth. It comes as a result of the working of the Spirit...fruit of the Spirit. You can't apply anything to manifest it. It is God at work in and through you.
You cannot feign a work of the Spirit. You can be fooled into thinking that a natural expression of them is real, but no one can fake a work of the Spirit. And spiritual people with spiritual discernment will know the difference.
No he didn't. Like you, he believes those who are not subject to the law and who cannot in their natural and carnal state be subject to it, can nonetheless obey it. Outwardly it can appear so, but inwardly he cannot. So even if through an act of the volition of his will he made the effort, it would fall short of obedience to the command.
This is why there have been so many who have made a profession of faith, having been told all that they need to do is say a sinner's pray, who later fall away. They were never truly converted.
This is also why you see so little fruit in professing Christians. They haven't actually become partakers of the divine nature. They haven't truly been grafted in. They merely have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
